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November 09, 2011, 04:55:55 AM
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Preventing destruction, I'm all for that. Destroying an adversary that creates more destruction than what he produces is only a gain.

However, destruction in the name of the destruction that has occurred, merely an eye for an eye... If that's justice, call me unjust as much as you please. Equality is overrated. Equality for the sake of equality is a farce of crocodile tears and envy. It is merely emotion with only loss for us all.

End the 1% they claim. Redistribute the wealth they say. It would only be so just if they had truly been stolen from. Have the purported victims --the 99%-- been so looted and so raped of this great value they have created; the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%? Will the dissolution of their regime of offering highly valuable services to society really make things just or only lead to further destruction?
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November 09, 2011, 09:45:30 AM
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Preventing destruction, I'm all for that. Destroying an adversary that creates more destruction than what he produces is only a gain.

However, destruction in the name of the destruction that has occurred, merely an eye for an eye... If that's justice, call me unjust as much as you please. Equality is overrated. Equality for the sake of equality is a farce of crocodile tears and envy. It is merely emotion with only loss for us all.

End the 1% they claim. Redistribute the wealth they say. It would only be so just if they had truly been stolen from. Have the purported victims --the 99%-- been so looted and so raped of this great value they have created; the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%? Will the dissolution of their regime of offering highly valuable services to society really make things just or only lead to further destruction?

The argument is that the 1% don't deserve public subsidy.  No-one cares about doctors earning decent money.  People care that bankers get paid millions to take risks but that if a banker screws up, the taxpayer is on the hook for the loss.

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November 09, 2011, 01:06:58 PM
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Preventing destruction, I'm all for that. Destroying an adversary that creates more destruction than what he produces is only a gain.

However, destruction in the name of the destruction that has occurred, merely an eye for an eye... If that's justice, call me unjust as much as you please. Equality is overrated. Equality for the sake of equality is a farce of crocodile tears and envy. It is merely emotion with only loss for us all.

End the 1% they claim. Redistribute the wealth they say. It would only be so just if they had truly been stolen from. Have the purported victims --the 99%-- been so looted and so raped of this great value they have created; the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%? Will the dissolution of their regime of offering highly valuable services to society really make things just or only lead to further destruction?

Hi Atlas, why did you try to change identities again?
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November 09, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
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Preventing destruction, I'm all for that. Destroying an adversary that creates more destruction than what he produces is only a gain.

However, destruction in the name of the destruction that has occurred, merely an eye for an eye... If that's justice, call me unjust as much as you please. Equality is overrated. Equality for the sake of equality is a farce of crocodile tears and envy. It is merely emotion with only loss for us all.

End the 1% they claim. Redistribute the wealth they say. It would only be so just if they had truly been stolen from. Have the purported victims --the 99%-- been so looted and so raped of this great value they have created; the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%? Will the dissolution of their regime of offering highly valuable services to society really make things just or only lead to further destruction?

Hi Atlas, why did you try to change identities again?

Hilarious. This is becoming a sport.

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November 09, 2011, 03:24:26 PM
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Preventing destruction, I'm all for that. Destroying an adversary that creates more destruction than what he produces is only a gain.

However, destruction in the name of the destruction that has occurred, merely an eye for an eye... If that's justice, call me unjust as much as you please. Equality is overrated. Equality for the sake of equality is a farce of crocodile tears and envy. It is merely emotion with only loss for us all.

End the 1% they claim. Redistribute the wealth they say. It would only be so just if they had truly been stolen from. Have the purported victims --the 99%-- been so looted and so raped of this great value they have created; the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%? Will the dissolution of their regime of offering highly valuable services to society really make things just or only lead to further destruction?

The argument is that the 1% don't deserve public subsidy.  No-one cares about doctors earning decent money.  People care that bankers get paid millions to take risks but that if a banker screws up, the taxpayer is on the hook for the loss.
If doctors don't receive their required value, they won't work. The bankers are irrelevant in this equation. Very few of the recorded "1%" are financial profiteers. They are mostly specialists. Why should they punished for the mistakes of others? Why should they be forced to subsidize?
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November 09, 2011, 04:48:42 PM
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Preventing destruction, I'm all for that. Destroying an adversary that creates more destruction than what he produces is only a gain.

However, destruction in the name of the destruction that has occurred, merely an eye for an eye... If that's justice, call me unjust as much as you please. Equality is overrated. Equality for the sake of equality is a farce of crocodile tears and envy. It is merely emotion with only loss for us all.

End the 1% they claim. Redistribute the wealth they say. It would only be so just if they had truly been stolen from. Have the purported victims --the 99%-- been so looted and so raped of this great value they have created; the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%? Will the dissolution of their regime of offering highly valuable services to society really make things just or only lead to further destruction?

The argument is that the 1% don't deserve public subsidy.  No-one cares about doctors earning decent money.  People care that bankers get paid millions to take risks but that if a banker screws up, the taxpayer is on the hook for the loss.
If doctors don't receive their required value, they won't work. The bankers are irrelevant in this equation. Very few of the recorded "1%" are financial profiteers. They are mostly specialists. Why should they punished for the mistakes of others? Why should they be forced to subsidize?

The vast majority of the people being subsidised are in the 1%.  The argument is very simple.  If a select group in society is getting huge subventions from the taxpayer, then unless they are doing something to earn that money, the system needs to change.  Currently banks are sitting on a taxpayer guarantee that is worth trillions to them.  New players cannot enter the market as the guarantee only applies to those "too big to fail."

Do you think this is fair?  Are you happy to see your tax money spent on that?

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November 09, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
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the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%?

You think there are doctors scientists and techniicians in the 1%?  LOLZ.
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November 09, 2011, 05:00:14 PM
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the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%?

You think there are doctors scientists and techniicians in the 1%?  LOLZ.

He's seventeen and he has a Just World complex.  Remember that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people.  The reason poor people are poor is because they're lazy thieves, while the billionaires are all incredibly hardworking geniuses who got where they are because of the sweat of their brow and their desire.
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November 09, 2011, 05:06:28 PM
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Preventing destruction, I'm all for that. Destroying an adversary that creates more destruction than what he produces is only a gain.

However, destruction in the name of the destruction that has occurred, merely an eye for an eye... If that's justice, call me unjust as much as you please. Equality is overrated. Equality for the sake of equality is a farce of crocodile tears and envy. It is merely emotion with only loss for us all.

End the 1% they claim. Redistribute the wealth they say. It would only be so just if they had truly been stolen from. Have the purported victims --the 99%-- been so looted and so raped of this great value they have created; the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%? Will the dissolution of their regime of offering highly valuable services to society really make things just or only lead to further destruction?

The argument is that the 1% don't deserve public subsidy.  No-one cares about doctors earning decent money.  People care that bankers get paid millions to take risks but that if a banker screws up, the taxpayer is on the hook for the loss.
If doctors don't receive their required value, they won't work. The bankers are irrelevant in this equation. Very few of the recorded "1%" are financial profiteers. They are mostly specialists. Why should they punished for the mistakes of others? Why should they be forced to subsidize?

The vast majority of the people being subsidised are in the 1%.  The argument is very simple.  If a select group in society is getting huge subventions from the taxpayer, then unless they are doing something to earn that money, the system needs to change.  Currently banks are sitting on a taxpayer guarantee that is worth trillions to them.  New players cannot enter the market as the guarantee only applies to those "too big to fail."

Do you think this is fair?  Are you happy to see your tax money spent on that?

I am not. I am against taxation entirely. The system does need to change. However, we are not talking about banks nor businesses. We are talking about ordinary people like you and me that are currently being demonized by society for the value they provide.

The vast majority of people being subsidized are not in the 1%. They are in a group that is off-the-record, that does not allow their wealth to be shown publicly. The public, accountable 1% are just ordinary, highly-skilled people; not bankers and certainly not corporate accounts.
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November 09, 2011, 05:07:58 PM
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the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%?

You think there are doctors scientists and techniicians in the 1%?  LOLZ.
Don't take my word for it. Look at the tax records. It's mostly doctors followed by people with valuable skills. The whole idea that the true wealthy elite are sitting in this taxable category is a myth; pure red-herring propaganda.
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November 09, 2011, 05:52:58 PM
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the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%?

You think there are doctors scientists and techniicians in the 1%?  LOLZ.
Don't take my word for it. Look at the tax records. It's mostly doctors followed by people with valuable skills. The whole idea that the true wealthy elite are sitting in this taxable category is a myth; pure red-herring propaganda.

You are avoiding the point.  No-one is demonstrating outside hospitals demanding that doctors be fired.  The demonstration is against subsidised institutions like banks.

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November 09, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
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Most of the people who call themselves the 99% are still in the top 1% globally.

By their own logic, they should withdraw most of their savings and donate them to slum dwellers in Africa.
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November 09, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
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the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%?

You think there are doctors scientists and techniicians in the 1%?  LOLZ.
Don't take my word for it. Look at the tax records. It's mostly doctors followed by people with valuable skills. The whole idea that the true wealthy elite are sitting in this taxable category is a myth; pure red-herring propaganda.

You are avoiding the point.  No-one is demonstrating outside hospitals demanding that doctors be fired.  The demonstration is against subsidised institutions like banks.
I am not. The movement is calling for the 1% to sacrifice more of their wages. That includes doctors.

Your latter statement is not within the context of the discussion.
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November 09, 2011, 06:49:27 PM
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Most of the people who call themselves the 99% are still in the top 1% globally.

By their own logic, they should withdraw most of their savings and donate them to slum dwellers in Africa.
This reminds me of a comic of a protester holding a sign while a hobo was pulling on his shirt asking for his iPad.
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November 09, 2011, 06:59:58 PM
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Most of the people who call themselves the 99% are still in the top 1% globally.

By their own logic, they should withdraw most of their savings and donate them to slum dwellers in Africa.
This reminds me of a comic of a protester holding a sign while a hobo was pulling on his shirt asking for his iPad.

This reminds me of a comic of a mental patient wearing a Napolean costume telling the doctors he doesn't belong with all the crazy people.

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November 09, 2011, 08:35:07 PM
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the millions upon millions that are earned by these specialists; by these doctors, lawyers, scientists and technicians that make the so-called 1%?

You think there are doctors scientists and techniicians in the 1%?  LOLZ.
Don't take my word for it. Look at the tax records. It's mostly doctors followed by people with valuable skills. The whole idea that the true wealthy elite are sitting in this taxable category is a myth; pure red-herring propaganda.

You are avoiding the point.  No-one is demonstrating outside hospitals demanding that doctors be fired.  The demonstration is against subsidised institutions like banks.
I am not. The movement is calling for the 1% to sacrifice more of their wages. That includes doctors.

Your latter statement is not within the context of the discussion.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/owss-beef-wall-street-isnt-winning-its-cheating-20111025

Money quote:
"And we hate the rich? Come on. Success is the national religion, and almost everyone is a believer. Americans love winners.  But that's just the problem. These guys on Wall Street are not winning – they're cheating. And as much as we love the self-made success story, we hate the cheater that much more.

In this country, we cheer for people who hit their own home runs – not shortcut-chasing juicers like Bonds and McGwire, Blankfein and Dimon."


Please read the article and stop being so stupid.  No one cares about doctors - they care about being ripped off.

By the way, I disagree with OWS.  But at least I have the sense to disagree with their stance - not some straw man I invented.

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November 09, 2011, 08:48:34 PM
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I am not questioning there are elites unscrupulously earning wealth through government force and the central banking cartel. I am only saying the 1% in the tax code aren't the people we want to hold accountable.
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November 09, 2011, 08:52:10 PM
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I am not questioning there are elites unscrupulously earning wealth through government force. I am only saying the 1% in the tax code aren't the people we want to hold accountable.

Read the article I linked please.  And then you will see why people angry about those issues want to occupy Wall Street. 

As I said, I don't agree with them but I don't see the need to fictionalise their anger either.

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November 09, 2011, 08:56:07 PM
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I am not questioning there are elites unscrupulously earning wealth through government force. I am only saying the 1% in the tax code aren't the people we want to hold accountable.

Read the article I linked please.  And then you will see why people angry about those issues want to occupy Wall Street.  

As I said, I don't agree with them but I don't see the need to fictionalise their anger either.
I did. I understand the whole paradigm. It has nothing to do with this thread. People are arguing against the "1%". I just want to refute that specifically. If you don't believe such a contention exists, so be it.
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November 09, 2011, 08:57:28 PM
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I am not questioning there are elites unscrupulously earning wealth through government force. I am only saying the 1% in the tax code aren't the people we want to hold accountable.

Read the article I linked please.  And then you will see why people angry about those issues want to occupy Wall Street. 

As I said, I don't agree with them but I don't see the need to fictionalise their anger either.
I did. It has nothing to do with this thread. People are arguing against the "1%". I just want to refute that. If you don't believe such a contention exists, so be it.

Forgive me I only see OWS going on about the 1%.

Who were you talking about?

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