[FABLE] The Resurrection of YoBit

[Steamtyme]

Looks like anyone can be the campaign manager for Yoshit Sig Campaign. So far found 2 members announced in the service section.

When the Campaign [ANN] is already duplicate thread spam... You might be in a shitposting campaign (Jeff Foxworthy voice)

Does this mean we're witnessing the start of another bubble? I was kinda getting used to the less-than-50k-posts-a-day version of Bitcointalk.

Funny you mention this I have seen a small increase in newbies to mining, and I thought maybe the price bump helped that out. Though I'd happily field an abundance of intro to mining questions. Really the comparison is Apples to ...well shit posts.

Oregano?  Who the fuck smokes oregano?  I thought we were talking about Marijuana.   
BTW, I'm from NorCal; our flowering plants with psychotropic properties are the envy of the galaxy.

Shhhh, the morality police will show up and tell us what's legal to us is illegal because they disagree. Alas you've broken the code. I've actually watched a ton of Docs and clips of the history around the California Growing, kinda like the modern day Wild West at times.

Gladly. I hear a certain someone is also producing some herbs as well

Must be nice for them to be treated like an adult in their province. We can't be trusted to grow a plant here  Feel free to hit me up anytime.

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[yahoo62278]

My big question here is since there are quite a few scam accusations against them, no official account is really active, and they're gonna allow spammers to go nuts what is everyone's opinion of joining the campaign?

Essentially those that wear the signature are promoting scams if the accusations hold true. We would also be promoting spam IMO.

I have somewhat considered joining(unsure of if I want to since I make 10 posts a week usually but with btc on the rise a few pennies might be nice) but would like opinions before testing the waters.

Also on a side note, I have sent a support message on their platform voicing my concerns of having no official manager or at least spam checker to watch over participants.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

My big question here is since there are quite a few scam accusations against them, no official account is really active, and they're gonna allow spammers to go nuts what is everyone's opinion of joining the campaign?

For me everyone wearing the signature should be tagged for supporting a scam exchange after warnings must have been sent to current participants through PM, informing them to remove signature but they refuse. I mean is no longer a news on how yobit scam her customers and with all the scam accusation they have on the forum, the exchange is not worth promoting.

Clearly the exchange doesn't have the best interest of the forum at hand and anyone supporting them doesn't too. I get it they didn't mean for everyone to make 20 post per day (it was just a maximum pay limit) but when a limit is set naturally participants tends to meet that limit that's everyone will be targeting a post count of 20 per day that's 170 per week. Which will be taking us backwards in regards to eliminating spam on the forum. I suggested something earlier I know it's not the best but;

Are they paying red tagged users also? If no then tagging every user seen wearing the signature and majority of their post are just off topic or spam can reduce their effect on the forum. I don't have a problem with getting paid for quality contribution but to me any user accepting a payment to spam forum doesn't value the forum and can't be trusted.

Read the number one Benefits of promoting a quality paid signature campaign. these guys need to make at least 100post to receive something reasonable. PASS

PS: I know the trust system wasn't meant for spam but if this can solve the problem for the meantime while we search for better solution then I feel it's ok. Reporting to moderator can't be a permanent solution (that'll create more workload) maybe banning or removing the privilege to wear signature on account caught abusing the campaign could work.

[akamit]

Essentially those that wear the signature are promoting scams if the accusations hold true. We would also be promoting spam IMO.

I follow Yobit because I have some shitcoins there, and I see peoples are still accusing them of this & that on TG but no response for them. So it's still the old Yobit, nothing has changed.

I have somewhat considered joining(unsure of if I want to since I make 10 posts a week usually but with btc on the rise a few pennies might be nice) but would like opinions before testing the waters.

Are you sure? You will be lost in Spam Sea  
and we will really miss you.

Also on a side note, I have sent a support message on their platform voicing my concerns of having no official manager or at least spam checker to watch over participants.

You may get a reply like "God will check spam and watch over participants", so prepare yourself.  

[suchmoon]

Poor quality and unconstructive posts will not be tolerated on this campaign. You don't need to write an essay with each post but one word replies in spammy off topic threads or streams of constant half-assed one liners will immediately get you removed. Please just put some effort in to your posts and you'll be fine.

Perhaps the way to deal with this would be to report shitposts to the campaign managers (either self-proclaimed ones here or to someone on Yobit) and if they don't take action, which they most likely won't, then report it to moderators as "low effort incentivized spamming" with proof of the above. I know it's a complicated two-step process but if that works then perhaps the whole campaign can be shitcanned if it's proven that they don't control it, instead of fighting thousands of individual posts. Or if I'm wrong and they do control it and kick the abusers out of the campaign - good too.

[Patatas]

My big question here is since there are quite a few scam accusations against them, no official account is really active, and they're gonna allow spammers to go nuts what is everyone's opinion of joining the campaign?

I'd say DT should tag everyone who joins their signature campaign as they're technically a scam. Maybe they will take the accusations seriously then.

Also on a side note, I have sent a support message on their platform voicing my concerns of having no official manager or at least spam checker to watch over participants.

I think no reputed person will be interested in doing that since they will be taking a risk of managing a scam service which can end up in negative feedback for the manager.

[marcotheminer]

If you're not spamming - this campaign is the equivalent to every other campaign, Stake, etc. The reason they've come back I think is thanks to their recent IEO's (they've raise 100+ BTC essentially by selling non-tokens..).

[tbct_mt2]

For me everyone wearing the signature should be tagged for supporting a scam exchange after warnings must have been sent to current participants through PM, informing them to remove signature but they refuse.

Not now. It should happen only when scam accusation on Yobit demonstrated that the Yobit exchange is truly a scam one. Maybe it is likely a scam one, but who knows. Especially when all scam accusations on them have not ended with scam accusations proved, it will be unfair to tag their supporters with negative trust.
Months ago, I witnessed the Duck Dice campaign, that was warned as scam, and the bounty' OP tagged by DT members. And, even when the DuckDice proved as scam, DT members allow their supporters 24 or 72 hours to remove DuckDice signature before starting to tag them with negative trust.
I used the exchange more than one year ago,but I don't like it. Then made my personal decision to leave their exchange so far. Everyone has personal choice and decision, just let them free.

Seems Duck Dice have tagged from multiple DT members due to open scam accusation long time ago. Just noticed it from gambling section. On the other hand they have created new account yesterday Duck Dice PR and announced a signature campaign. No issue with signature campaign due they have used escrow service from forum.

Issue with website and their main account for open scam accusation which has got tag. So what about new account? It shouldn't be tag since its directly hosted with Duck Dice ? Red tag has given against of website as well, not only to user account.


Need opinions...

Please don't apply this signature, may be DT will tag your account. Whoever currently wearing signature please remove within 72 hours  otherwise may be you will got tag. Do not apply until solve accusation. OP and Escrow holder already got tag.

[marcotheminer]

For me everyone wearing the signature should be tagged for supporting a scam exchange after warnings must have been sent to current participants through PM, informing them to remove signature but they refuse.

Not now. It should happen only when scam accusation on Yobit demonstrated that the Yobit exchange is truly a scam one. I don't like Yobit, but I used the exchange more than one year ago, then I left their exchange so far. Maybe it is likely a scam one, but who knows. Especially when all scam accusations on them have not ended with scam accusations proved, it will be unfair to tag their supporters with negative trust.
Months ago, I witnessed the Duck Dice campaign, that was warned as scam, and the bounty' OP tagged by DT members. And, even when the DuckDice proved as scam, DT members allow their supporters 24 or 72 hours to remove DuckDice signature before starting to tag them with negative trust.

Seems Duck Dice have tagged from multiple DT members due to open scam accusation long time ago. Just noticed it from gambling section. On the other hand they have created new account yesterday Duck Dice PR and announced a signature campaign. No issue with signature campaign due they have used escrow service from forum.

Issue with website and their main account for open scam accusation which has got tag. So what about new account? It shouldn't be tag since its directly hosted with Duck Dice ? Red tag has given against of website as well, not only to user account.


Need opinions...

DuckDice was never "proved as a scam", lots of misinformation was spread (I was not around, but from what I read this is the conclusion). Their provably fair is still valid (last I checked for myself).

If any company scams (just like if BitCloak - your signature - scams), of course people should cease wearing/advertising for them.

[tbct_mt2]

If any company scams (just like if BitCloak - your signature - scams), of course people should cease wearing/advertising for them.

This is why I wrote this part:

Not now. It should happen only when scam accusation on Yobit demonstrated that the Yobit exchange is truly a scam one. Maybe it is likely a scam one, but who knows. Especially when all scam accusations on them have not ended with scam accusations proved, it will be unfair to tag their supporters with negative trust.

Stake adjusted their rule after this topic opened
Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam.
But, at least Stake campaigns run by their official team members, that is not the case with Yobit, by now.

I forwarded this to Steve and the rest of the Stake team. Obviously there are some valid points highlighted here, there is no doubt that this is creating a huge amount of spam. Hopefully they can make some changes that the community finds agreeable.

At least, Yobit team should act like this, in my opinion (maybe I am wrong). 

[DireWolfM14]

what is everyone's opinion of joining the campaign?

I wouldn't.  Even if they aren't a scam, there sure are a lot of accusations.  They kind of give me that ponzi vibe.  Maybe they're merely incompetent, or possibly a combination.  I wouldn't want to promote that, certainly not for pennies.

I follow Yobit because I have some shitcoins there, and I see peoples are still accusing them of this & that on TG but no response for them. So it's still the old Yobit, nothing has changed.

Their reputation is ruined, and it's largely because of their lack of customer support.  It seems like they pick and choose which issues to address.

Perhaps the way to deal with this would be to report shitposts to the campaign managers (either self-proclaimed ones here or to someone on Yobit) and if they don't take action, which they most likely won't, then report it to moderators as "low effort incentivized spamming" with proof of the above. I know it's a complicated two-step process but if that works then perhaps the whole campaign can be shitcanned if it's proven that they don't control it, instead of fighting thousands of individual posts. Or if I'm wrong and they do control it and kick the abusers out of the campaign - good too.

Sounds like a plan.  I'd say it's fair to go a step further and red-tag those extreme shitposters.  Maybe if a some others see the effects of incessant shitposting they'll clean up their act.

Shhhh... Alas you've broken the code.

Oops, please excuse my transgression.  BTW, safety meeting in the garage in 5 minutes.  

[suchmoon]

I'd say it's fair to go a step further and red-tag those extreme shitposters.  Maybe if a some others see the effects of incessant shitposting they'll clean up their act.

I'd prefer not to, and not just because spam is not a trust system issue. We're dealing with an entity that has nothing to lose on this forum and has no interest in it beyond using it for promotion, so if they get many red tags they might as well allow red-tagged users to continue in the campaign. Ideally this should be dealt with by banning offenders and perhaps banning the particular signature campaign if it gets really bad. I'm not counting on the latter though - our anarcho-capitalist-in-chief probably won't go that far.

[LoyceV]

Hey Loyce, any chance you can calculate the average earned merit of the Yobit campaign participants?

I don't think there's a public list of participants, and I don't want to manually search for them. If you have a list of names or userIDs, I'll get you a list of their full Merit data.

[actmyname]

I don't think there's a public list of participants, and I don't want to manually search for them. If you have a list of names or userIDs, I'll get you a list of their full Merit data.

Perhaps scrape from your list of users that have mentioned YoBit and check for "YoBit" in their signature class? <div class="signature"> when in the user profile, or <div class="signature{profileID}"> (without curlies) in posts.

It won't be a conclusive list but it'll be a good start.

[suchmoon]

I don't think there's a public list of participants, and I don't want to manually search for them. If you have a list of names or userIDs, I'll get you a list of their full Merit data.

Perhaps scrape from your list of users that have mentioned YoBit and check for "YoBit" in their signature class? <div class="signature"> when in the user profile, or <div class="signature{profileID}"> (without curlies) in posts.

It won't be a conclusive list but it'll be a good start.

https://yobit.net/en/signature/details/ shows the signatures they're supposed to use so it can be detected quite accurately.

[tbct_mt2]

I'd prefer not to, and not just because spam is not a trust system issue.

Leaving neutral tag on shit posters as early warning for them is good. Shit posters sooner or later will fall into burst posting or plagiarising, so if DT members tag them with neutral trust, and leave a warning mesage for them; they will keep their shit works. Eventually, someday, if they get punishments by plagiarism or something stupid, they won't have chance to blame on anyone else. Maybe, it is one of the way old users help newbies in the forum.

[actmyname]

Leaving neutral tag on shit posters as early warning for them is good. Shit posters sooner or later will fall into burst posting or plagiarising, so if DT members tag them with neutral trust, and leave a warning mesage for them; they will keep their shit works. Eventually, someday, if they get punishments by plagiarism or something stupid, they won't have chance to blame on anyone else. Maybe, it is one of the way old users help newbies in the forum.

I used to tag spammers. Back in January of last year. That took a horrendous amount of time and I didn't even crack 1% of the total spammers on-forum.

The neutral tag will be even less impactful and still take an equal amount of time that could be used to (instead) report posts.

[tbct_mt2]

The neutral tag will be even less impactful and still take an equal amount of time that could be used to (instead) report posts.

I don't mean about instinctly shitposters whom mostly never change their posting habit, but you know what? There are real users, whom simply don't familiar with the forum, posting shit in their first days in the forum. For those kind of users, whom have good progressive attitude to change, like me, such neutral tags might help them to realise their faults, and they will change.
My neutral tag, years ago.  

This user is a garbage shitposter who writes redundant posts in shitty English.

After received such neutral tag, I was shock, and collected these English books to improve.
Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills
To conclude, neutral tags on shitposters make sense (kind of help), if you have time to do it.

[actmyname]

I don't mean about instinctly shitposters whom mostly never change their posting habit, but you know what? There are real users, whom simply don't familiar with the forum, posting shit in their first days in the forum. For those kind of users, whom have good progressive attitude to change, like me, such neutral tags might help them to realise their faults, and they will change.
My neutral tag, years ago. 

This user is a garbage shitposter who writes redundant posts in shitty English.

You might have changed, but others do not. I can count the number of users of which I have seen change their ways (ponzi supporter, red-trust users, or shitposters) on one hand. That's about as blunt as I can make it.

You speak from an ideal perspective. This world is not ideal.
For every user like you, there are thousands more that will refuse to change their ways. Why? Because it's easier. Because it's more profitable.

This is (in a sense) an example of survivor bias.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

For me everyone wearing the signature should be tagged for supporting a scam exchange after warnings must have been sent to current participants through PM, informing them to remove signature but they refuse.

Not now. It should happen only when scam accusation on Yobit demonstrated that the Yobit exchange is truly a scam one. Maybe it is likely a scam one, but who knows.

More like you saying, ok lets all watch bitcoincash try success lets not call it a shitcoin until it demonstrate some quality of a shitcoin lol. The community have to learn that coming together and taking a decision as a community will send these scammers a strong message that, "the community is strong and will always unite to make a decision". but all they see are disagreement, greediness etc in the community that's why they take advantage of these weakness. Just because the exchange haven't scam others doesn't mean it isn't a scam exchange, their actions reported by numerous users speak for them and instead of them clearing the air on these accusations what do they do, they stay mute most time not even responding to a support ticket, email or tweet.

These guys don't have the best interest of the forum at hand and the best thing the forum can do is try to discourage her members from associating with the exchange. Don't forget the more (reputed) well known higher rank users wear their signature the more confident people think of giving this exchange a chance as clearly if you're smart you can make some money off the trading of shitcoins listed on the platform but this shouldn't be encouraged, it causes more damage than good. Posting of 20 meaningful post per day isn't hard I can do that but no matter how constructive I try to be that'll just be spamming. It won't be healthy to the forum making 170 posts weekly irrespective of how constructive you try to be.