[FABLE] The Resurrection of YoBit

[webtricks]

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

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[FaucetKING]

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

Same goes for me here. I used yobit and I always had my money in my pocket. I don't know if the DT members will redtag me for using the signature of yobit and I am asking for a clear instruction to be made.. Maybe PM us first or let us know.. Even now.. The situation is unknown. Yobit has some issues with some customers but I was never one of them so I trust them.. About the redtag.. Don't destroy peoples made accounts please.. Let us know and give us a chance first to remove the sig. Yobit having some scam accusation is normal.. It doesn't mean that they are scammers..if the peoples prove that it is scam.. I will delete the sig immediately.

[HCP]

Just because everyone else seems to have condemned this entire campaign (and all the participants) before it has even really started... But did anyone actually bother to read the campaign ToS?

★☆★ Rules ★☆★

Poor quality and unconstructive posts will not be tolerated on this campaign. You don't need to write an essay with each post but one word replies in spammy off topic threads or streams of constant half-assed one liners will immediately get you removed. Please just put some effort in to your posts and you'll be fine.

Users with negative feedback from defaulttrust members are no longer permitted on the campaign. If you sign up you will be removed.

Any user who hasn't made a post in over a month will also be removed.

Should we not actually give them a chance to prove themselves? See if they clamp down on the shitposters/spammers... before we start threatening to tag everyone involved?

Don't get me wrong... I'm not here to promote YoBit as the poster boy for campaign management... And chances are high that there will be some shitposters/spammers striving for the 20post/day "target"... But I think YoBit deserves to be given the opportunity to  demonstrate that they are capable of running a "forum friendly" campaign before just shitlisting the campaign and all the participants.

[shasan]

When people will try to earn by creating spam post and the spam will happen for an increasing number of the post then they should be punished. Not all the participant only those people who will break forum rules should deserve a ban. And those people who will make any scam for which community will be looser then they should deserve the negative tag. So, for wearing signature of yobit participant can't deserve Negative tag until yobit proved as a scam exchange.

[webtricks]

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

Same goes for me here. I used yobit and I always had my money in my pocket. I don't know if the DT members will redtag me for using the signature of yobit and I am asking for a clear instruction to be made.. Maybe PM us first or let us know.. Even now.. The situation is unknown. Yobit has some issues with some customers but I was never one of them so I trust them.. About the redtag.. Don't destroy peoples made accounts please.. Let us know and give us a chance first to remove the sig. Yobit having some scam accusation is normal.. It doesn't mean that they are scammers..if the peoples prove that it is scam.. I will delete the sig immediately.

Agree with you completely. I am using Yobit occasionally from last 4 years. I always get my withdrawals. Yesterday when I received their mail about campaign, I was to enthusiastic to join it. However, the daily limit of 20 posts are too much, I agree. But that's not necessary. Participants can do less than that and I am certainly ain't going to write anything above 10 a day.

[AdolfinWolf]

Seeing all those red-trusted users joining the campaign, i'm afraid that the tool which kept users out of prominent campaigns (DT tagging), is going to become useless.

Should we not actually give them a chance to prove themselves? See if they clamp down on the shitposters/spammers... before we start threatening to tag everyone involved?

Knowing Yobit, and they way they operate their exchange, i really don't feel as if they deserve much of a chance.

They're a bunch of money-laundering scammers, who try to f* over anyone using their platform with useless ICO's, shittokens, frozen withdrawals/selective scamming, random coin delistings, internal server lag, pump and dumps (orchestrated by the adminstrators of the site themselves!), falsifying ticker names to defraud "ignorant" investors.. The list goes on and on.

Not to mention, they're running a LITERAL ponzi scheme on their website. https://yobit.net/en/investbox/
I thought users advertising ponzi schemes usually got tagged rather quickly?  
EDIT: Holy shit these IEO's are a scam too. They're literal dogshit.

They can increase their advertising efforts all they want, i am DEFINITELY not touching their exchange with a ten-feet pole.

Not trying to moral-high horse anyone here for making a few bucks, but you got to draw a line somewhere, sometime.

[Silent26]

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Unless you don't spam then you won't be called "Spammer". But have you guys didn't realised or notified something? Do you think 20 post per day is a good requirement for such campaign? You've been here for years but seems like you doesn't know anything about possible spam. By just observing their campaign I immediately noticed that it will only bring spam to the forum as there are no proper rules, proper requirements and designated number of participants for the campaign. Besides all of that you guys are still so proud to wear their signature.

[shasan]

Do you think 20 post per day is a good requirement for such campaign?

Where you see the 20 posts requirement of the project. They mentioned the highest 20 posts will be count. So if you count a single post then you will be paid for that. 20 posts are maximum not minimum.

[FaucetKING]

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Unless you don't spam then you won't be called "Spammer". But have you guys didn't realised or notified something? Do you think 20 post per day is a good requirement for such campaign? You've been here for years but seems like you doesn't know anything about possible spam. By just observing their campaign I immediately noticed that it will only bring spam to the forum as there are no proper rules, proper requirements and designated number of participants for the campaign. Besides all of that you guys are still so proud to wear their signature.

If we had a better chance, we would really join other compaigns for sure. Yobit having scam accusations didn't mean that they are really scammer.. Maybe they use '' selective scam '' but the scammed person's should shout out loud so we can hear them.. We never encourage scam and we never want to destroy our beloved Bitcointalk.. Even if I post 50 posts a day, I won't spam the forum and I will try my best to provide a good content here.. Just give us a chance to use their signature for the moment and if the other sig compaigns allows us to join and earn.. We would support em.. But many compaigns are providing unreal requirements.. We always put high efforts but no one ever gave us even 1 merit.(excuse me for being angry).. How the hell could us join good compaigns if they are putting hard requirements?.
We found out that Yobit's sig compaign is the only one gaving us that rate so we will wear the signature and support them because it's a win-win for us and for them. When talking about the fear of spamming the forum, the DT members could red-tag all the spammers if found.

[Silent26]

Where you see the 20 posts requirement of the project. They mentioned the highest 20 posts will be count. So if you count a single post then you will be paid for that. 20 posts are maximum not minimum.

I have read the entire Signature campaign thread (as there are only few content) and I fully understood everything. Even if it's max post or not it is still a requirement. And, do you think stupid people who's after some penny will only make a single post or let us say just about 3 to 5 posts per day? I bet NOT, those people will take advantage and surely make 20 posts per day in order to receive higher payments.

I hope that I explained it well Bud.

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I understand what you feel and it's good to know that you have good intentions for the forum. Everyone has a chance and I'm not forcing you to back out from joining Yobit, actually I'm not telling anyone not to join Yobit as well. Just take the risk.

Also, I didn't mention anything about scam in Yobit. Seems like you misunderstood something.

[The Cryptovator]

Yobit just give opportunities to spammers. I am not saying that all participants are spammer but, most of them. They are very clever and they run new signature campaign by their exchange. They have not bothered to open new thread for their campaign. This is oppurtunity for them who are not accepted any btc signature due to spam. Seems Yobit just need rank. I don't think they are considering or maintain any quality of post. That's why most of board full by Yobit signature. However, I don't think there is any way to prevent them.

[XZERO1]

Do you think 20 post per day is a good requirement for such campaign?

Where you see the 20 posts requirement of the project. They mentioned the highest 20 posts will be count. So if you count a single post then you will be paid for that. 20 posts are maximum not minimum.

Yeah, but the problem with these kind of campaigns is when they allow and pay users for that amount of posts per day they create some kind of a competition for lower quality posters so that everyone wants to reach the maximum number of posts daily to get paid more, specially when there is no quality control over who is going to get picked for these postings except I think the neg trust...

As I said before I just really hope this campaign doesn't affect posts and their contents to the point that you have to actually look for a good quality post among countless spams and shitposts.

[Kavelj22]

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Luckily the campaign only accepts Sr. Member and above but who knows if some of those participants lose their post quality just to get paid. But there are surely lot of Newbies who will try to promote that campaign which will lead to spam.

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I don't understand your last sentence. Only Sr. Members and above are accepted, so how Newbies can try to promote campaign? Or you're talking about bought accounts?

There is an active running referral program with Yobit, offering 20% of comission for every trade the referral makes.
Yesterday, i reported two threads of two newbie accounts (guess they are alts) in my local board.

🔷 YoBit.Net SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN 🔷

OP of this topic deleted the body of his thread (as he can't definetly delete it) and lock it.
As the campaign has no managers, i think this user is somehow related to Yobit. (see his sent feedbacks)

That's why most of board full by Yobit signature. However, I don't think there is any way to prevent them.

This is why signture campaigns shouldn't be announced out of this forum. I mentioned this long time ago, that there must be a strict set of rules about running campaigns for both managers and participants. At least, participants spreadsheet should be publicly displayed.

[actmyname]

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

You know that's not what I'm implying. Stop trying to wring a debate out when there isn't one. YoBit induces spamming != YoBit campaign members are spammers.

Knowing Yobit, and they way they operate their exchange, i really don't feel as if they deserve much of a chance. [...]

Any exchange involved in the shady act of market manipulation via pump & dumps (knowingly advertising thereof) is absolutely out of the question. I forgot about this, actually.

As I said before I just really hope this campaign doesn't affect posts and their contents to the point that you have to actually look for a good quality post among countless spams and shitposts.

It will. I'm sorry.

This is why signture campaigns shouldn't be announced out of this forum. I mentioned this long time ago, that there must be a strict set of rules about running campaigns for both managers and participants. At least, participants spreadsheet should be publicly displayed.

Where's the enforceability, though? How do you isolate signature campaigners from people who have regular/personal signatures? How do you tackle members that state, "I'm not getting paid for this."

[suchmoon]

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

I don't think anyone in this thread said or implied that. There might be decent posters in the campaign but with Yobit having no on-site campaign manager there is real concern that this will get out of hand.

[shasan]

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

I don't think anyone in this thread said or implied that. There might be decent posters in the campaign but with Yobit having no on-site campaign manager there is real concern that this will get out of hand.

For this, I want to say several sites promoting ico and they run a signature campaign on bitcointalk but they do not post about that on bitcointalk. What you will say about those? And as they do not post that here scam detector can't make any accusation. So, yobit is safer than those. Many people already told that yobit sending payment, so payment is not an issue. Now issue about spamming but on their rules, they mentioned spamming not allow. So, if participant spam they will remove spammer. Though it may take longer than a bounty manager from here. And yet we may tell that yobit is a scam exchange! Many people may face a problem and as a large exchange they might have few issues and all the poster who posts against someone are not right.
However, you may call it as Ponzi for https://yobit.net/en/investbox/

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

No it doesn't make you automatically a spammer but it does make you an associate to Scam/Spam as you're associating yourself (wearing a signature) of a proven scam exchange that engage in fake IEO, Ponzi scheme, list fake coins, pump and dump scam, scam their customers off their coins etc and don't forget anybody advertising a proven scam project is liable to be tagged too. You want some proof of their scammy behaviors? READ not forgetting, the YOBIT representative account on forum have also be red tagged for all this scam accusation.

[coinlocket$]

This one is writing in English on the Italia board

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=313900.msg50686903#msg50686903

The account is popped up after this signaure from a long inactive status so is probably an alt of someone else.

Maybe @loyceV can scrap who is using the signature ans when was the last activity before wearing the signature, sadly I have no skill to do it.

[Sutters Mill]

My big question here is since there are quite a few scam accusations against them, no official account is really active, and they're gonna allow spammers to go nuts what is everyone's opinion of joining the campaign?

Essentially those that wear the signature are promoting scams if the accusations hold true. We would also be promoting spam IMO.

I think you've answered your own question here. I don't know the extent of the accusations with this particular exchange and how much truth there is to them or not but they seem to be quite distrusted by the community. If the claims are accurate then I don't think people should be advertising for them because they're making the problem worse. People should be made aware of the issues surrounding the exchange and why supporting them is bad. If people are happy to promote a scam exchange then I think negative feedback would be acceptable. My feedback means nothing though so I would leave that to the DT big bois.

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

No, that's not the issue. The issue would be advertising a scammy or shady website. There are a certain type of person that will advertise anything as long as there's money on the line. These people have no morals and just want to line their pockets at whatever the cost.You could be the forums greatest poster but if you'd happily promote a scam because you're being paid to you would have little morals imho. I'm sure many people are glad that there's a campaign they can easily jump on but you have to look at the bigger issue here and that's promoting spam and [potential] scams.

[AdolfinWolf]

If we had a better chance, we would really join other compaigns for sure.

Aha. But as long as you earn money, it doesn't matter if people get screwed over, does it?

Yobit having scam accusations didn't mean that they are really scammer.. Maybe they use '' selective scam '' but the scammed person's should shout out loud so we can hear them..

You mean one of the 200 topics that have been opened against them, and never resolved?

Just give us a chance to use their signature for the moment and if the other sig compaigns allows us to join and earn.. We would support em.. But many compaigns are providing unreal requirements.. We always put high efforts but no one ever gave us even 1 merit.(excuse me for being angry).. How the hell could us join good compaigns if they are putting hard requirements?.

Damn. Your version of entitledness doesn't match reality.

We found out that Yobit's sig compaign is the only one gaving us that rate so we will wear the signature and support them because it's a win-win for us and for them. When talking about the fear of spamming the forum,

Ofcourse, i mean who cares about the people getting scammed by Yobit, right?

the DT members could red-tag all the spammers if found.

DT should actually tag everyone wearing a Yobit signature, because YoBit is a scam exchange. It is no different than promoting a ponzi scheme, or other fraudulent activities.

No, that's not the issue. The issue would be advertising a scammy or shady website. There are a certain type of person that will advertise anything as long as there's money on the line. These people have no morals and just want to line their pockets at whatever the cost.You could be the forums greatest poster but if you'd happily promote a scam because you're being paid to you would have little morals imho. I'm sure many people are glad that there's a campaign they can easily jump on but you have to look at the bigger issue here and that's promoting spam and [potential] scams.

I'm inclined to agree.