Yobit spam on the forum

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Optional: if you think the spam is really getting out of hand, you can probably give the user red trust.

Eh, as much as I'd love to tag shitposters, Theymos does not want members doing that, DT or not.  The only thing that should be done if you notice someone spamming/shitposting is to report their post(s) to the mods and let them deal with it.

Yobit had this same campaign setup before, and there was certainly a lot of spam but mostly in Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion, both of which probably couldn't get any worse.  But I'll definitely keep my eyes open for any shenanigans.

[s1ng]

Maybe someone can try to manage the campaign to minimalize the spam ?

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Holy shit, now that i've read that ANN, 20 posts a DAY, @ 0.00012, that's every spammers wet dream right there.

Allowing red-trusted Sr. Members/Heros' is going to open up some serious floodgates of spam. Can't wait for that.

Maybe I should create some alts... ^/s

It's become the opportunity for your brother,uncle,bff,father,mother, to do it

[gentlemand]

I supposed at least this is a fast track way to cull the no mark higher ranked accounts. It's going to attract every single one of them and no doubt they're going to pound away until they're banned or booted. Interested to see if Yobit do anything. I somehow doubt they care all that much.

[Kavelj22]

Yobit had a long run signature campaign earlier in 2016 to 2017 for more than a year (don't know if it really stopped as I frequently see some users wearing the signature) with the highest pay-rate (compared to actual running BTC campaigns considering also the BTC price at that time.
I don't remember reading any complaints about that campaign. Yobit had been greatly promoted via that campaign, which may be seen as a major success factor for the platform.
For the New launched campaign, I really have some doubts about it for the following reasons:

• How long will it run?
• Why there is no Bitcointalk manager to respond different community asks?
• How much fund reserved for the campaign?
• Are funds escrowed by any trusted third-part?
• Should we blindly trust Yobit after the last accusations against it?
• How many users will be accepted in this campaign?
• Isn't weird not to set more post restrictions for a high rate campaign?

I think the issue with this campaign is a little bit bigger than the spam-encouragement problem.
We can't blame/judge participants or managers until someone break forum rules.
Reminder, confirmed spammers will be banned, so I think applicants will take more attention doing their tasks.

This is just a personal attitude, and am not accusing Yobit or participants being part of any scam/spam theme.

[gentlemand]

I don't remember reading any complaints about that campaign. Yobit had been greatly promoted via that campaign, which may be seen as a major success factor for the platform.

There were bloody millions of moans. 'Yobit spammer' became a short hand for anyone who chose to squirt their worthless diarrhoea all over us.

Anyway, let's give it a week or two to see whether it smooths out but it hasn't gotten off to a very promising start. It's straight back to the old days within hours.

[freedomgo]

This is bit lower compared to stake signature campaign, max of stake is 0.1 btc as what they advertised on the sig campaign.
There were a lot of members in the past since they allow lower rank but not they improve and I hope the poster will also improve.

I don't want to conclude that it will create spam since it's just launched, let's hope members would care for the best of the forum this time around.

[tbct_mt2]

You can create alts, but your alts won't be accepted by Yobit. 

Maybe I should create some alts... ^/s

[cryptogaga]

Dont sell your soul because of money, Yobit is a den of organised scam. i have lost more than $2000 on yobit, i also foolishly participated in their scam of an ico with no wallet or chain, also they changed the rules without letting users know! they do not respond to tickets and they ban you if you speak truth about their evil ways in their trollbox, after banning you from trollbox you can not access your money and they say you can do nothing

They have been losing customers who got tired of being scammed, now they want to use this forum to acquire new members that they would scam dont fall for it Yobit is a scammmmm!  i would never advise even my enemy to use yobit again they tempt you with money and steal your money!

[o_e_l_e_o]

Campaign Participants:

Staff do not want to hand out bans for unconstructive posts but if we feel that you as a user are continually making very poor or unsubstantial posts due to your paid signature the following bans will be issued:

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

Campaign Operators:

If you are running a campaign and it becomes blatantly obvious to Staff that you are doing little to nothing to stop spam on your campaign you will be issued a PM warning by a Global Moderator that you need to make immediate improvements to curb low-quality posts. You will have 7 days to remove low-quality posters and respond to the message detailing what you are going to do to make changes to your campaign to reduce the amount of spam. If improvements are not noticeable within 21 days of that and Staff do not believe you are doing enough to prevent low quality posts your signatures will be blacklisted from the forum by an Admin and you will no longer be permitted to advertise here in such a way.

YoBit should receive a warning and the majority of their campaign participants should receive a 7 day ban, immediately. Their posts are clearly nonconstructive and unsubstantial, and YoBit are quite clearly doing nothing to curb this behavior - quite the opposite, in fact. Paying for 20 posts per day is encouraging spam, not limiting it. The rules are very clear in the stickied thread I've quoted above. Lets start enforcing them.

[marcotheminer]

https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/1119228178743083009
YoBit Signature Campaign (BitcoinTalk): https://yobit.net/en/signature/  ★ Sr Member: 0.00012 BTC per constructive post (20 max per day). ★ Hero Member: 0.00016 BTC per constructive post (20 max per day). ★ Legendary Member: 0.00020 BTC per constructive post (20 max per day).

YoBit exchange organized a Signature Campaign at our forum. They pay 20 posts per day. Forum will be filled with spam. Here is an example.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=310031;sa=showPosts

legendary users start writing idiotic posts.
if you do not take action, spam will be even more

The forum is filled with them, friend.  People are being paid to post.

Admin is well aware of this issue.

It's not an issue for the forum.. It helps it. Not the spam - the pay-per-post incentives. Spam from Yobit wearers will be as bad as spam from other signature wearers (although they have a higher limit.. at 20 posts/day). The only thing I can think of as a semi-solution is: forum members may not be paid for more than X posts per day - no matter the campaign. It would slow things down.

[finzyoj]

The only thing I can think of as a semi-solution is: forum members may not be paid for more than X posts per day - no matter the campaign. It would slow things down.

Another rule suggestion means going through another series of debates and another pile of work for the DTs. Don't get me wrong, I like your suggestion but the question is do they like it too?

You know what? For me, daily or weekly post quota is not a big deal. If you're really eager to complete 20 posts per day then divide it in subequal parts, if it means posting every hour for the rest of the day then do so instead of forcing yourself to complete it in several hours only. It is also good in a sense that you can have some ample time to refresh and gather new ideas/motivation thus quality of your posts are not reduced every time you post. It's just a matter of time management and discipline.

If you believe that you are not a shitposter then prove it to others, at all times. If you can't then prepare for the consequences (ban/red tag) Lol.

[ralle14]

Yobit had a long run signature campaign earlier in 2016 to 2017 for more than a year (don't know if it really stopped as I frequently see some users wearing the signature) with the highest pay-rate (compared to actual running BTC campaigns considering also the BTC price at that time.

Yobit's old campaign was still up and running before this new one they're listed on Mitchell's overview. Only few users continued wearing it because the campaign was having issues in paying out, I remember one of their participants saying they have to waited months before they were paid.

The only thing I can think of as a semi-solution is: forum members may not be paid for more than X posts per day - no matter the campaign. It would slow things down.

Another rule suggestion means going through another series of debates and another pile of work for the DTs. Don't get me wrong, I like your suggestion but the question is do they like it too?

If Yobit plans to add a rule on their campaign it should be the merit requirement.

[hilariousandco]

Campaign Participants:

Staff do not want to hand out bans for unconstructive posts but if we feel that you as a user are continually making very poor or unsubstantial posts due to your paid signature the following bans will be issued:

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

Campaign Operators:

If you are running a campaign and it becomes blatantly obvious to Staff that you are doing little to nothing to stop spam on your campaign you will be issued a PM warning by a Global Moderator that you need to make immediate improvements to curb low-quality posts. You will have 7 days to remove low-quality posters and respond to the message detailing what you are going to do to make changes to your campaign to reduce the amount of spam. If improvements are not noticeable within 21 days of that and Staff do not believe you are doing enough to prevent low quality posts your signatures will be blacklisted from the forum by an Admin and you will no longer be permitted to advertise here in such a way.

YoBit should receive a warning and the majority of their campaign participants should receive a 7 day ban, immediately. Their posts are clearly nonconstructive and unsubstantial, and YoBit are quite clearly doing nothing to curb this behavior - quite the opposite, in fact. Paying for 20 posts per day is encouraging spam, not limiting it. The rules are very clear in the stickied thread I've quoted above. Lets start enforcing them.

You might as well ignore this unless things change and the admins start enforcing those guidelines, but if we do nothing then campaigns like Yobit will take advantage of that. They seemingly don't even have a campaign manager and if they don't then we all know what will happen.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=898552;sa=showPosts

20 posts in 45 minutes.

At least they're cutting out the lower ranks but there are still plenty of nothing accounts from the old days that do qualify. I hope the mods do a swift job on this because Yobit back in the day was a right old blight.

Someone already banned that user for post-bursting and it's his second ban, but he's also ban evading as a previous account is permabanned.

Optional: if you think the spam is really getting out of hand, you can probably give the user red trust.

Eh, as much as I'd love to tag shitposters, Theymos does not want members doing that, DT or not.  The only thing that should be done if you notice someone spamming/shitposting is to report their post(s) to the mods and let them deal with it.

Staff shouldn't have to be left to do this. We basically become unpaid campaign managers having to do others perople's dirty work whilst they sit back and reap all the profits.

[tbct_mt2]

You might as well ignore this unless things change and the admins start enforcing those guidelines, but if we do nothing then campaigns like Yobit will take advantage of that. They seemingly don't even have a campaign manager and if they don't then we all know what will happen.

Don't worry about that, because we might see Yobit has its official campaign manager. However, I really think that we should stop spam the Meta board by over discuss about Yobit campaign. Let it be and we will see how it will end. Forum staffs already knew about it.

[hilariousandco]

You might as well ignore this unless things change and the admins start enforcing those guidelines, but if we do nothing then campaigns like Yobit will take advantage of that. They seemingly don't even have a campaign manager and if they don't then we all know what will happen.

Don't worry about that, because we might see Yobit has its official campaign manager. However, I really think that we should stop spam the Meta board by over discuss about Yobit campaign. Let it be and we will see how it will end. Forum staffs already knew about it.

That doesn't mean they're going to be managing the campaign. They didn't before and that was the problem.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

<***> But to me any user accepting a payment to spam forum doesn't value the forum and can't be trusted.

Read number 1  Benefits of promoting a quality paid signature campaign.  these guys need to make at least 100post to receive something reasonable. PASS

But we can't tag them anymore. Remember what theymos said? No more tagging users just because of their posting behavior - that's not what the trust system was made for.

Had that at the back of my mind when giving that suggestion, but it's quite annoying knowing (from reading replies) people are ok with these spammers wearing the yobit signature spamming 170 post or even more weekly and receiving a reward for that. Thought we were all against spam or it's because with yobit spamming you can get a decent pay unlike others. What about banning all accounts repeatedly spamming very low quality (mostly one liner posts) or off topic post. The moderators need do something before this get act of hand. These guys shouldn't be given the freedom to take us backwards when it comes to reducing spam on the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I think encouraging people to post 20 posts a day is a bit irresponsible.

Yeah, but it's nothing new, just something we haven't seen in quite some time.  I can't remember when Yobit ended their campaign the first time, but I honestly did not notice a difference in the level of shitposts when it did end.  Same with Secondstrade, which had tons of spammers in it.  So we'll see how this plays out.

If Yobit plans to add a rule on their campaign it should be the merit requirement.

Yep, great suggestion and I'd love to see an earned merit requirement of at least 20 or something like that.  It would have to be high enough to prohibit spammers from easily obtaining the merits illicitly. 

In general, I really have no problem with Yobit bringing back the ol' 20 posts/day campaign, and I think someone could easily make those 20 posts and still not have them be garbage.  You just have to take your time and think about what you're writing--and spend enough time doing it.  I'm sure I mentioned I was in the old Yobit campaign from December 2015 to about mid-2016 I think, and while I'm sure some of my posts were short and might be considered low-quality, I did try to put some effort into each of them. 

That said, I worry that this is not what a lot of current Yobit campaign participants are going to do.  I've already noticed a lot of thread-bumping going on by members wearing the Yobit signature.

[r1s2g3]

The problem is actually being created by spam users like the one you have shown( although I think he will soon be banned as he is violating Yobit Guidelines).  

Now few user get more regards to the Yobit;s guidelines instead of the forum rule.
Worst thing I read, that yobit is not paying in local sections so I am assuming a shitton of post in english sections were going to be created.

[AdolfinWolf]

Optional: if you think the spam is really getting out of hand, you can probably give the user red trust.

Eh, as much as I'd love to tag shitposters, Theymos does not want members doing that, DT or not.  The only thing that should be done if you notice someone spamming/shitposting is to report their post(s) to the mods and let them deal with it.

How about tagging them for promoting a scam, a ponzi scheme (See their Investbox, https://yobit.net/en/investbox/), a site which facilitates & promotes pump & dumps, and just outright scams their users by fraudulent tickers. (https://steemit.com/yobit/@gandalfthetartan/fooling-the-traders-from-russia-with-love)

Code: (https://steemit.com/yobit/@gandalfthetartan/fooling-the-traders-from-russia-with-love)

1. Yobit take an established coin Omise_Go (OMG).
2. They then quietly create their own, useless coin, entitled OMGame.
3. Listing OMGame on their market using the ticker (OMG) at a handful of Satoshi cheaper than current market price they drive up hype for discount purchases (no note of OMGame is made to the consumer on the trading screen).
4. Volume is artificially kept high thanks to exchange wash-trading.
5. When people grow wise to the scam, Yobit delete the coin, leaving traders out of pocket unable to sell elsewhere.
6. Support emails in return claim that the coin was a 3rd party technology that no longer met the exchange's T&C and Yobit is not liable for remuneration.

Now we haven't even talked about the new IEO products they're offering. They switched from Pump&Dump ICO's to IEO's, which are basically an even bigger sack of horseshit (or simply renamed?). https://yobit.net/en/ico/timer/

They are conducting IEO for coins that do not exist - it's not a project. They make a paid "SHROOM" let's say, and that's it, new coin added. It's to generate profit for those who get in early - a kind of gambling game. It can be profitable or very taxing. I guess nothing wrong with that and up to each use to play their part or avoid it.

Mind you, this is a quote from someone that actively participates in them. (And even he can't make it sound like anything but a huge freaking scam..) they don't even offer any product at all to their users...? (Which is somewhat the case with ICO's, you get a withdrawable token, (which is usually not worth shit either, but still.))


People who promote ponzi schemes are almost always tagged instantly. I don't see how this is radically different..?  (If not even worse.)

[robelneo]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=898552;sa=showPosts

20 posts in 45 minutes.

At least they're cutting out the lower ranks but there are still plenty of nothing accounts from the old days that do qualify. I hope the mods do a swift job on this because Yobit back in the day was a right old blight.

Damn, I can only do 2 to 3 post in an hour I cannot in any way create a post that fast and make my post very relevant and creative, all campaigns always have this kind of posters, I just hope Yobit had a good campaign manager and can trace who among the participants are posting shits and doing it for money.