Yobit and campaign manager discussion

[yahoo62278]

This morning I was contacted by Yobit about possibly managing their signature campaign. I'm looking for community opinions. I know Yobit has a shit reputation, but I also know that without some sort of moderation their campaign will flood the forum with megaspam. Mods will be so busy from reports of Yobit spammers that they will have no time for anything else.

I've been watching all the threads started on this subject in the last 24 hours as well. It's amazing how quickly this is starting to get out of hand. Replies like the image below are what gets me thinking pass on the campaign but look at the alternative.



So the question here is pass on the offer or would everyone rather see a manager attached to the campaign?

I have not officially been offered the position, I am just looking for opinions on the subject in case an offer is made.

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[actmyname]

For me, I isolate the manager vs. the campaign. I believe if you are able to target the spam and thoroughly manage the campaign properly, there should not be an issue. I know that you have been able to handle large numbers of participants in multiple concurrent campaigns at once and have the ability to manage one like this.

However, the issue that stands is that YoBit has orchestrated pump & dump events that they have publicized via emails. Moreover, they (in my opinion) are pretty shady, never mind the numerous complaints that have popped up: not exclusively scam reports but support ticket nonsense as well.

It's a tricky scenario in that we do want a manager to handle the campaign for spam. However, at the same time, you are managing the campaign for a company that is doing this kind of shady work.

It's kind of like picking the lesser of two evils. In my opinion, what's best for the forum is a manager working for YoBit.

This way, we avoid a wave of spam and we have some control over the participants. The only negative that we have is the association with the exchange but the alternative is letting them have free reign over the campaign (and potentially creating the wave thereof).I believe that a management of the campaign by yahoo (or any campaign manager, for that matter) would be in everyone's best interests.

[shasan]

I have not officially been offered the position, I am just looking for opinions on the subject in case an offer is made.

It will be better if there is a campaign manager like you. If you or other campaign manager denied their offer they will accept negative trusted people and if so that will not be good for us. We will only waste time by reporting them and the mod will lose time by banning them also post on meta will be increased for those bans.
If you accept their offer try to discuss with them that payment should be the same but post quantity should be 50% or less.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yahoo62278, you're one of the best campaign managers on this forum, hands down.  I think you ought to accept the job, because I don't think the yobit campaign is going away no matter how many complaints there are.  We all know what kind of participants a campaign like yobit's attracts--people looking to maximize their earnings by making 20 posts a day--and it needs a manager who's tough and won't tolerate spamming.  You'd be perfect for the job.

As far as the scam accusations againt yobit go, I've seen many of them but I rarely see any follow-up on them, so I never really know if the issues were resolved.  I do think they have non-existant customer service, but I've traded on their site many times and have had no issues.  I don't think they're a scam exchange and I don't think anyone's reputation should be tainted by being associated with them.  And their campaign definitely needs a reputable manager like Yahoo62278 running things.

[yahoo62278]

I have not officially been offered the position, I am just looking for opinions on the subject in case an offer is made.

It will be better if there is a campaign manager like you. If you or other campaign manager denied their offer they will accept negative trusted people and if so that will not be good for us. We will only waste time by reporting them and the mod will lose time by banning them also post on meta will be increased for those bans.
If you accept their offer try to discuss with them that payment should be the same but post quantity should be 50% or less.

Keep in mind, from what I read on their campaign you can make a maximum of 20 posts per day but they are not telling users to make the max daily man. That choice is solely on the user of the forum. Chasing that paycheck.

If I took the job I would have full control on who is in or out and I would also be open to users pmming me about users in the campaign. I will not have control over payments or anything, just who is in the campaign or out. I will be able to remove users at my discretion. Sorta like I did with coinroll a year ago or so.

I want to reiterate that I have not been officially offered the job, only contacted about the possibility. Community opinion here is going to go a long way on my decision if the offer comes from the Exchange.

[Steamtyme]

I would like to see any reputable manager at the front of this campaign. Having been a part of your campaigns, I have no doubt you could handle something of this size, and ensuring it's not a spammy shitshow. I posted elsewhere to this effect, but up until they are a proven scam or go beyond what the community tolerates as shady activity they are no different than another campaign, they just have history.

If you are open to recommendations, I would ask them to move to payments once a week or at least every couple of days. If they want to pay for a potential 140 posts in a week so be it, but maybe put something about blacklisting users found to be spamming to pad their stats. I think you already do that but can't remember.

[suchmoon]

If the choice is between manager and no manager - I'd rather see them hire a manager. If the choice is between yahoo and some random nobody - I'd rather see them hire yahoo. I would prefer to not have that campaign on Bitcointalk at all but that's not really a choice.

[Rabbot]

Better manage something else.

[shasan]

Better manage something else.

If yahoo62278 manage it what problem may happen? What will be a loss for the community? What will be loss of you? Why you are telling not to take this project? Do you think yahoo62278 is not fit for the project? Or do you think yobit will stop their marketing if yahoo62278 does not accept their project? Yobit is good at marketing they know very well than us what will be better for them. So, if you have any issue then tell that so that we can know about the issue.
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According to your post history you are fit to provide such a piece of advice without any elaboration.

[AdolfinWolf]

As far as the scam accusations againt yobit go, I've seen many of them but I rarely see any follow-up on them, so I never really know if the issues were resolved.  

You don't really need follow-up on these accusations to see that something is definitely going wrong on their site.

I'm not saying that the entire site is a scam, but they're definitely trying to wrestle away as much money from their customers as they can through Pump & Dumps, preying on the unknowingness of their "new" customers. (which is 100% gambling with really, really bad odds, without most users knowing it.), and their InvestBox, which, although they say it isn't, is the literal definition of a ponzi, where you receive x% of useless tokens daily.
https://yobit.net/en/investbox/ - "Tool for devs to promote their coins" - my ass.


There's a literal timer counting down until their next P&D IEO scam is happening. https://yobit.net/en/ico/timer/

Not to mention their questionable ticker practices; https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/warning-russian-crypto-exchange-yobit-uses-ticker-name-to-fraud-traders/

I'm not saying Yobit shouldn't be allowed to be promoted / that their members should be tagged, but it really shows to me these participants have no morals/don't care what they're promoting at all.
Perhaps i'm speaking from a position of luxury, and kind of hypocrite. I don't know. Might be just me.

[yahoo62278]

Better manage something else.

If yahoo62278 manage it what problem may happen? What will be a loss for the community? What will be loss of you? Why you are telling not to take this project? Do you think yahoo62278 is not fit for the project? Or do you think yobit will stop their marketing if yahoo62278 does not accept their project? Yobit is good at marketing they know very well than us what will be better for them. So, if you have any issue then tell that so that we can know about the issue.

I do not think his issue is with me personally but with the reputation of the Exchange. It's really a case of controlling the chaos IMO. Manager = control                    
no manager=chaos

Kinda like suchmoon implied, they're gonna run the campaign regardless. Rather some control vs no control?

I would prefer to not have that campaign on Bitcointalk at all but that's not really a choice.

[Rabbot]

Better manage something else.

If yahoo62278 manage it what problem may happen? What will be a loss for the community? What will be loss of you? Why you are telling not to take this project? Do you think yahoo62278 is not fit for the project? Or do you think yobit will stop their marketing if yahoo62278 does not accept their project? Yobit is good at marketing they know very well than us what will be better for them. So, if you have any issue then tell that so that we can know about the issue.

I do not think his issue is with me personally but with the reputation of the Exchange. It's really a case of controlling the chaos IMO. Manager = control                    
no manager=chaos

I mean, it would be good for Yobit if you were managing it, but not for you. As you said, Yobit has shit reputation.

Control is an illusion.

[shasan]

lower payment rate, lower maximum post / day, limit participant or combination of them, then it'd be manageable by one manager.

I don't think it is required. I think yobit will check everything post count, payment, etc. The campaign manager will check either participant creating a quality post or not. If they can create a quality post then the manager won't do anything if they fail to create a quality post then the manager will remove from the campaign.
And for payment, few projects already here on bitcointalk who are paying more than yobit so I don't think payment rate should be lower.

[Sutters Mill]

I think this is more a situation of wether the forum population thinks this is advertising a shady exchange and whether you're ok taking money from a [potentially] shady website to promote it. I can't comment on your reputation as a manager or the exchange because I'm not that familiar with either, but using the spam the campaign will cause to try get the job seems a bit iffy to me though its good you've brought it up here for discission.

I think you ought to accept the job, because I don't think the yobit campaign is going away no matter how many complaints there are.    

Wouldn't this be like saying there's always going to be drug cartels so I might as well do their admin and promotion for them because someones got to do it even if I don't [maybe an xtreme example but as above I think this is more a discussion about whether yobit should be promoted rather than anything else].

If the choice is between manager and no manager - I'd rather see them hire a manager. If the choice is between yahoo and some random nobody - I'd rather see them hire yahoo. I would prefer to not have that campaign on Bitcointalk at all but that's not really a choice.

There's surely not just one option here. Can't the admins shut down these sorts of campaigns? Surely they can't be allowed to just spam everything everywhere??? Isn't this something the forum staff should be dealing with and prohibiting it it's such a big issue???

Better manage something else.

If yahoo62278 manage it what problem may happen? What will be a loss for the community? What will be loss of you? Why you are telling not to take this project? Do you think yahoo62278 is not fit for the project? Or do you think yobit will stop their marketing if yahoo62278 does not accept their project? Yobit is good at marketing they know very well than us what will be better for them. So, if you have any issue then tell that so that we can know about the issue.

I do not think his issue is with me personally but with the reputation of the Exchange. It's really a case of controlling the chaos IMO. Manager = control                    
no manager=chaos

Kinda like suchmoon implied, they're gonna run the campaign regardless. Rather some control vs no control?

Maybe you running it is the lesser of two evils but you would obviously be very biased here because I'm assuming there's money on the line for you and youre not going to be running it for free.

I made comments in another similar thread abut yobit for further reading = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133795.msg50691004#msg50691004

[TalkStar]

As a campaign manager you have vast knowledge and you know better how to spot spammers. For that reason I think over spamming could be monitoring by you. Yeah its true that yobit has bad reputation where we have seen lot of issues in the past about them. In my opinion you can rise some conditions to continue their campaign management where i believe having a manager of yobit from this forum will be much helpful for community to solve issues that relates with yobit. You can continue if they are able to pass your own jurisdiction.

[actmyname]

There's surely not just one option here. Can't the admins shut down these sorts of campaigns? Surely they can't be allowed to just spam everything everywhere??? Isn't this something the forum staff should be dealing with and prohibiting it it's such a big issue???

There are certain people who have even more of a laissez-faire attitude than me.

Maybe you running it is the lesser of two evils but you would obviously be very biased here because I'm assuming there's money on the line for you and youre not going to be running it for free.

Objectively better for the forum. Though this is not cemented yet as he has not received an offer.

Before we talking about whether Yobit should recruit a manager, the bigger problem are their signature rules. I doubt one manager can properly manage hundreds participant who make up to 20 posts / day.
If they add/change minimum earned merit in last n days, lower payment rate, lower maximum post / day, limit participant or combination of them, then it'd be manageable by one manager.
Obviously, it's better to see a human manager than automated system.

I'm sure that the amount of participants will be limited, either through a hard cap on the number directly or via the selection process indirectly.

[pugman]

If you do decide to manage yobit's campaign I would honestly suggest you to rather reduce the number of accepted posts per day, otherwise people are gonna make unnecessary redundant posts. Swear to god, it will be sp annoying to read the same posts being posted by the same people over and over again, only rephrased differently. I would suggest to reduce the number of posts, and increase the pay per post, so the campaign actually seems viable to manage.

Regarding the reputation, I can't say any good or bad things about yobit, not from my perspective. But yobit is very shady, at best, and have failed to properly communicate with their consumers. So when you decide to take up their campaign management, there's a fair amount of responsibility on you, if yobit takes time to payout, which could potentially take weeks and months.

Another point to be noted is that, there have been consequences for managers in the past for managing campaigns for questionably/shady/the ones that have proved to be a scam(eg. Bitconnect),so sort that out first. Use disclaimers, and inform users about the potential risks, and that you won't be held liable for things.

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

YoBit is pretty much shady in their activities over the past few years and there have been numerous unresolved accusations over them. Managing the campaign is equivalent to promoting/endorsing a shady scam even though you don't explicitly state in the topic or stand by them. You are a good manager and seems to endorse or manage only trustworthy exchanges, coins or websites campaigns. But YoBit doesn't seem to fit in any of these criteria. Along with that, even some of the non- shitposting members doesn't see through the websites they promote. Most of them blindly follow the words of the manager.  Also you need to hold an escrow of the payment since most of them never trust with YoBit and their shady past. Considering that, it would be better for you to turn off the YoBit campaign since that could surely hurt your reputation in the forum apart from the promotion of a shady service.

Secondly, the problem YoBit spammers create here recently. Since they have launched a shitty campaign to spam the forum to the maximum, it is better that someone should contact them at the earliest and limit the spammers. Spams generated from the YoBit guys can be controlled to quite an extent if each one of us take the initiative to report the shit posts. Controlling the spam is very much different from risking the reputation of yourselves and your work as a campaign manager over the years.

Recently, if every one of us were aware of the DuckDice campaign we would feel like it would be better if you don't get involved in the campaign to control the spam. notaek was tagged for being an escrow of the funds for the campaign which was launched by DuckDice themselves. I believe there would be some sort of serious consequence if you manage the campaign solely. (Either way, this is just my assumption)

[mikeywith]

Keep in mind, from what I read on their campaign you can make a maximum of 20 posts per day but they are not telling users to make the max daily man. That choice is solely on the user of the forum. Chasing that paycheck.

I have to disagree to this ,the most part of responsibility goes to the campaign, when they tell forum users that they will pay up to 20 posts a day, then it's pretty clear that most if not all of them will try to maximize that number, and that's  140 posts a week per account.

If the choice is between manager and no manager - I'd rather see them hire a manager. If the choice is between yahoo and some random nobody - I'd rather see them hire yahoo.

True, and Yahoo is a decent manager indeed, but it all goes down to how many people they are going to accept, knowing that most of them will attempt 20 posts a day, if say they are accepting 100 members, that's 2000 posts a day for him to check, not sure if that is doable, he might just ruin his reputation by managing this campaign, so i would run the numbers before even thinking about accepting this.

good luck yahoo.

[FFrankie]

I think they would have to pay you something like $10 per user per day for it to be worth it. Theres gotta be at least a couple hundred people in the campaign.

I would ask them important questions, like since you are managing it do you get to make the rules for the campaign?