Bitcoin Forum
September 15, 2019, 07:28:52 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 0.18.1 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
Author Topic: In the process of willingly locking mdayonliner [locked: Password inside]  (Read 656 times)
hilariousetc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1344
Merit: 2194


Merit Felcher


View Profile
April 24, 2019, 04:37:42 PM
 #21

This isn't an airport, there's no need to announce your departure.

It's the forum equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4

then he will cover all tracks so that it may become very difficult to trace him back to this account.

Doesn't work that way, not for someone who has impulse control issues. Look at cryptohunter's latest alt, which started somewhat restrained with short posts and avoiding tell-tale buzzwords. Has reverted to walls of text now, complete with "observable evidence" and "debate me or else". Won't take long for mdayonliner to get into a spat with someone and start bragging about being a very respected Bengali that every other compatriot Bitcointalker looks up to. If he wanted to calm down he could have easily continued on his mdayonliner account.

I'd like to be wrong though. If a dramatic exit was what he needed to change his ways - more power to him.

Yeah, there's always quirks and certain words and ways that give people away and the longer someone is around the easier it is to spot as you become more familiar with them and that's how his other accounts were exposed. It's really hard to change your habits that you've got used to over years and you have to actively try really hard to mask them. One or two things will likely fly under the radar but there's multiple unique things everyone does and some are more obvious than others. Again, I'm sure mday will be here on one account or the other and I think it's sad to see him go but I think he'll just try again to build up a new rep from scratch and this is just a I'm going for good now type thread to make sure we all get the memo that he's "definitely" gone. Maybe one day he'll reclaim his account with a signed message.

1568575732
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1568575732

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1568575732
Reply with quote  #2

1568575732
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1568575732
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1568575732

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1568575732
Reply with quote  #2

1568575732
Report to moderator
1568575732
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1568575732

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1568575732
Reply with quote  #2

1568575732
Report to moderator
1568575732
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1568575732

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1568575732
Reply with quote  #2

1568575732
Report to moderator
Harlot
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 1190
Merit: 603



View Profile
April 24, 2019, 06:05:26 PM
 #22

Even if you have voluntarily locked your account it doesn't mean you are far from over here in the forum you haven't shown any intentions that you won't be here in the forum anymore. You just locked your account and you knowing how to gain a lot of merits will surely com in handy on ranking up when you opted out on creating a new account under a new identity. If you are really over from the forum then I think the best thong you can do is never to comeback here in anyway.

The Pharmacist
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 1638
Merit: 3085



View Profile
April 24, 2019, 06:28:38 PM
 #23

It's the forum equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4
LOL.  Do people actually leave FB with all that drama?  I haven't used FB since 2010 and even then I wasn't on it for all that long--but either way, that's exactly what this is like.  Right on the nose.

The person behind the mdayonliner account isn't going anywhere himself.  Either he already has at least one alt account (being S-Therapist and/or Retina) or he'll create a new one and attempt to start over.  I don't know how much sMerit he had, but it looks like he gave some to those accounts this month and may have dumped what he had on them whilst mulling over the creation of a thread like this.  Who knows.

Again, mdayonliner was not a particularly malignant presence here, though he did make some ill-advised moves and in all likelihood isn't telling the truth about those alt accounts.  It's hard to say with 100% certainty what the truth is, and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt even after all the evidence against him....but I hear what hilariousandco has said and it's very hard to do that.  I too think that he'll get discovered if he creates a brand new account, but we'll see.

Coolcryptovator
Copper Member
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 546
Merit: 791


KnowNoBorders.io


View Profile WWW
April 24, 2019, 06:30:12 PM
 #24

If he wanted to calm down he could have easily continued on his mdayonliner account.
That's what I have been trying to point out from beginning of drama. At the beginning I was thought his mistakes were excusable, but continues argument drew negative impact on his profile. Eventually he have tried to get attention from admin. The main goals of his plays were remove negative feedback's. Which is eventually ends up with left forum drama.

I know build new account for his isn't very hard task and I believe he will do that. Perhaps we will not able to identify or we will not bother on it, but I wouldn't like to believe he will leave this forum for forever. Before leave forum blame to a members wasn't wise decision in my opinion instead of mention won mistakes.

However, I believe he should try to avoid this kind of behavior  if he come back with other account or real life as well. He have lack of patience and ego is too high and both is harmful for a human.

   ▄▄██████▄▄
  ████████████
███▄▄
 ██████████████▀▀▀██▄
████████████████   ▀██▄
████████████████     ▀██
██████████████       ██▌
██████████████        ▐██
██▌▀▀██████▀▀         ▐██
▐██                   ██▌
 ██▄                 ▄██
  ▀██▄             ▄██▀
    ▀██▄▄▄     ▄▄▄██▀
      ▀▀█████████▀▀
MAIN CLUB
PARTNER of
W A T F O R D  FC
Industry Leading Crypto Sportsbook
|
SPECIAL
WATFORD FC
PROMOTIONS
|
UNIQUE
CONTENT &
GIVEAWAYS
|
▄▄█████████▄▄
▄█████████████████▄
▄██████████▀▀▀▀███████▄
▄█████████▀     ████████▄
▄██████████   ████████████▄
█████████        ██████████
█████████▄▄   ▄▄███████████
███████████   █████████████
▀██████████   ████████████▀
▀█████████   ███████████▀
▀████████▄▄▄██████████▀
▀█████████████████▀
▀▀█████████▀▀
.PLAY  HERE.
[/t
hilariousetc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1344
Merit: 2194


Merit Felcher


View Profile
April 24, 2019, 07:10:11 PM
Merited by AdolfinWolf (1)
 #25

It's the forum equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4
LOL.  Do people actually leave FB with all that drama?  I haven't used FB since 2010 and even then I wasn't on it for all that long--but either way, that's exactly what this is like.  Right on the nose.

I'm pretty much in the exact same boat as you. Haven't used it since about then but I used to see it all the time. People would make a big fuss about leaving for whatever reason and detail it all in their last status update, de-activate their account and then return a few days, weeks or months later and when they return it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4kM9AKjHs

The person behind the mdayonliner account isn't going anywhere himself.  Either he already has at least one alt account (being S-Therapist and/or Retina) or he'll create a new one and attempt to start over.  I don't know how much sMerit he had, but it looks like he gave some to those accounts this month and may have dumped what he had on them whilst mulling over the creation of a thread like this.  Who knows.

He probably won't bother with s_therapist as it has more negative feedback than the mday account but the Retina account is building itself up nicely. Already got a DT trusted feedback today from a microloan and mday will know how to play the system to grab more along with merits, but let's also look at the last merit he sent:

Sent in the last 120 days

    April 21, 2019, 10:19:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 21, 2019, 10:17:45 PM: 1 to S_Therapist for [Explained] How Trust Score is calculated
    April 20, 2019, 08:06:07 PM: 1 to Mulann2 for Re: YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk)
    April 18, 2019, 05:42:00 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 07, 2019, 12:13:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Merit for Crypto (and other) Knowledge
    March 22, 2019, 04:43:56 PM: 6 to Retina for Another helpful Software (Advanced SystemCare) Speed-up your Windows PC/Laptop

All of them accounts are connected to him. S_Therapist and Retina had obviously already been exposed and I think he was trying to do some reverse psychology on the Mulann2 account here by claiming that I'm probably going to accuse him of being an alt account because he sent merit to it.

Again, mdayonliner was not a particularly malignant presence here, though he did make some ill-advised moves and in all likelihood isn't telling the truth about those alt accounts.  It's hard to say with 100% certainty what the truth is, and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt even after all the evidence against him....but I hear what hilariousandco has said and it's very hard to do that.  I too think that he'll get discovered if he creates a brand new account, but we'll see.

He would have been better just sticking around on that account to be honest. People might remove the feedback eventually and I'm sure he could get some more to neutralise it. Instead he probably just wants to start afresh, but like we agree he'll probably be outed eventually (and probably already has if he's going to continue to use the Retina and/or Mulann2 but he'll probably be smart enough to not leave anything concrete). I hope he comes back on the mday account at some point and probably will. He probably just made a rash decision in the heat of the moment and I'm sure he'll regret it. Maybe some time off will do him good.

DireWolfM14
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 518
Merit: 750



View Profile WWW
April 24, 2019, 07:29:34 PM
Merited by DarkStar_ (4)
 #26

~Retina account is building itself up nicely. Already got a DT trusted feedback today from a microloan

I was curious about his motivation for his asking for that loan.  Honestly, with all the PMs and time invested in communication it wasn't worth the effort, but hey I'm trying to build a business.  I also considered not leaving any feedback, but I started thinking that would be petty of me.  Just because it's a small loan, or because I suspected he's trying to build trust, or he might be Mday's alt, or whatever excuse, I figured I'd treat it like I would any other successful transaction and just call it that.

It's actually something I'm curious about now that I'm on DT2, is this something that's going to happen more; people asking for micro-loans because they assume I'll leave them positive feedback?

hilariousetc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1344
Merit: 2194


Merit Felcher


View Profile
April 24, 2019, 07:50:47 PM
Merited by LoyceV (1), DireWolfM14 (1)
 #27

It's actually something I'm curious about now that I'm on DT2, is this something that's going to happen more; people asking for micro-loans because they assume I'll leave them positive feedback?

Sadly, yes. Once people become aware to the fact that they can get a cheap positive feedback they'll take advantage of that. Good business for you perhaps but it'll be abused. Maybe a neutral would be more appropriate but that's up to you. Anyone who's half intelligent can see what users they can get trusted feedback from and then they'll go to those leaving them for small value deals to quickly rack up some trust for as little amount as possible. Most people taking out loans here probably don't even need them in the first place, especially when they give the same amount in collateral. Literally what is the point? Imagine going to a bank for a loan and they requested the same amount in gold or whatever. Just sell the gold. You clearly don't need a loan if you can afford to give the same in collateral. It's just a way to build up some trades and feedback and the interest is the small cost of that and one that is well worth it to them. I guess it's a flaw of the system and how people interpret 'trust' here. It's why I've suggested before that small transactions should carry little to no weight on feedback scores. Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback. People shouldn't be putting so much weight on mere 'green' feedback either. Read what the feedback is for and make your own mind up. If somebody has 100 green trusts from 100 different DT users and they're all for 10 dollar deals then all that means is that they can be trusted with ten dollars, but people will trust them with a lot more if they're in the 'green' when they really shouldn't.

DireWolfM14
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 518
Merit: 750



View Profile WWW
April 24, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
Merited by LoyceV (1)
 #28

It's actually something I'm curious about now that I'm on DT2, is this something that's going to happen more; people asking for micro-loans because they assume I'll leave them positive feedback?

Sadly, yes. Once people become aware to the fact that they can get a cheap positive feedback they'll take advantage of that. Good business for you perhaps but it'll be abused. Maybe a neutral would be more appropriate but that's up to you. Anyone who's half intelligent can see what users they can get trusted feedback from and then they'll go to those leaving them for small value deals to quickly rack up some trust for as little amount as possible. Most people taking out loans here probably don't even need them in the first place, especially when they give the same amount in collateral. Literally what is the point? Imagine going to a bank for a loan and they requested the same amount in gold or whatever. Just sell the gold. You clearly don't need a loan if you can afford to give the same in collateral. It's just a way to build up some trades and feedback and the interest is the small cost of that and one that is well worth it to them. I guess it's a flaw of the system and how people interpret 'trust' here. It's why I've suggested before that small transactions should carry little to no weight on feedback scores. Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback. People shouldn't be putting so much weight on mere 'green' feedback either. Read what the feedback is for and make your own mind up. If somebody has 100 green trusts from 100 different DT users and they're all for 10 dollar deals then all that means is that they can be trusted with ten dollars, but people will trust them with a lot more if they're in the 'green' when they really shouldn't.

I've revised my rating to neutral. 

I have excluded people from my trust network because I suspect them of condoning "trust farming" with micro transactions and low value sales.  I wasn't around when the member you mentioned was selling email addresses (or was it google voice numbers?) but I do remember hearing about that and thinking the same thing.  I certainly don't want the reputation of someone who's trying to sell positive reviews for any amount, whether it's pennies or hundreds of dollars.  That's not my goal.


LoyceV
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 1610
Merit: 4590


Largest Merit Circle on BPIP!


View Profile WWW
April 24, 2019, 08:25:34 PM
 #29

Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback.
TheButterZone

suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2072
Merit: 3913


Pedal-powered plaguebot


View Profile
April 24, 2019, 08:31:01 PM
 #30

I figured I'd treat it like I would any other successful transaction and just call it that.

I'd say if you didn't risk anything (which you didn't because collateral) - don't leave a positive rating unless you have some other major reason to trust that person AND to convey that trust to the public.

I guess that still leaves a possibility for someone to farm trust via tiny no-collateral loans. Perhaps there is no need for positive trust in the microloan business at all. Reminds me of BTCJam where people used to openly declare they're taking out loans "to build reputation". Total WTF. Ended predictably.

DireWolfM14
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 518
Merit: 750



View Profile WWW
April 24, 2019, 08:53:01 PM
 #31

Perhaps there is no need for positive trust in the microloan business at all.

That's probably the best way to approach it.  I don't want to overthink my impact, but it did occur to me that it can lead to abusing the trust system.  A functional trust system is more valuable to me than a few pennies earned on interest.  The more it gets abused the less functional it becomes.


Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback.
TheButterZone

That's who I was thinking of.  

The Pharmacist
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 1638
Merit: 3085



View Profile
April 24, 2019, 09:15:27 PM
 #32

I've revised my rating to neutral. 
You might want to put that in your terms upfront so people don't expect positive feedback.  This is what I've been doing whenever I buy or sell crypto:

<snip>Also, this will be a neutral feedback transaction assuming it's successful in the first place.<snip>

If they know they won't be getting a positive feedback from you, you're more likely (I think) to get genuine offers and there's nothing left to doubt after the deal is completed. 

DireWolfM14
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 518
Merit: 750



View Profile WWW
April 24, 2019, 09:41:38 PM
 #33

I've revised my rating to neutral. 
You might want to put that in your terms upfront so people don't expect positive feedback.  This is what I've been doing whenever I buy or sell crypto:

<snip>Also, this will be a neutral feedback transaction assuming it's successful in the first place.<snip>

If they know they won't be getting a positive feedback from you, you're more likely (I think) to get genuine offers and there's nothing left to doubt after the deal is completed. 

Good idea.  If nothing else, it'll ease the burden of having to filter through microloan requests with the hope of getting a positive review out of it. 

@mdayonliner, sorry I didn't mean to derail your pity party.


vit05
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 672
Merit: 524



View Profile
April 25, 2019, 06:32:12 PM
 #34

I think you should come back mdayonliner. It's like loosing something for sure.

He'll likely be around on one account or another. This one will probably ramp up the posting and merit-hunting now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2508950

If this is really his alt account, it would be more profitable for him to offer advice on how to raise the Bitcointalk account. Maybe Bitcointalk's first coach. Offering online consultancy, e-books, etc. Either that or move on and forget about the forum. Smiley

r1s2g3
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630
Merit: 387


I am alive but in hibernation.


View Profile
April 25, 2019, 10:44:08 PM
 #35


If this is really his alt account, it would be more profitable for him to offer advice on how to raise the Bitcointalk account. Maybe Bitcointalk's first coach. Offering online consultancy, e-books, etc. Either that or move on and forget about the forum. Smiley


Offering coaching /writing in bitcoin will be much more profitable and give a good repo instead of coaching shitposter for ranking up here .(forget about neg you can get for this unethical service)



I'd like to be wrong though. If a dramatic exit was what he needed to change his ways - more power to him.

I do not think guy like mday can leave so easily. Even if Retina is an alt account, it still need some time to rank up.
I guess some account is already build up by mday (atleast to full member rank.) before announcing the departure.


.
Game that
pays for
Playing











A
blockchain
based game
Ask me anything
about the game
in Bitcointalk.











A game
that recognize
your ownership
Join the
exciting game
of splinterlands











              ▄▄▄▄▄▄██████▄▄▄▄▄▄
          ▄▄██████████████████████▄▄
        ███████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀███████
     ████████▌    ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄    ▐████████
   ▄██████████▌  █████ ▀ ▀███  ▐██████████▄
  ▐███████████▌ ████▄▄ ██ ▐███ ▐███████████▌
  ████████████▌▐█████     ████▌▐████████████
 █████████████▌ ███▄▄ ██ ▐████ ▐█████████████
 █████████████▌  ███    ▄████  ▐█████████████
██████████████▌    ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀    ▐██████████████
██████████████████████████████████████████████
▀████████████████████████████████████████████▀
   ▐██████████████████████████████████████▌
   ▐█████████████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀█████████████▌
    ▀▀██████▀▀                  ▀▀██████▀▀
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!