Betcoin.AG fraud

[dark08]

Just provide us more accurate accusation to provebthat Betcoin is really a fraud site just take down at least 5 people who got scam by the team of Betcoin or like qhat other said create another thread on scam accusation then member and DT will decide ro this case.

[Betcoin.AG]

Just provide us more accurate accusation to provebthat Betcoin is really a fraud site just take down at least 5 people who got scam by the team of Betcoin or like qhat other said create another thread on scam accusation then member and DT will decide ro this case.

One look at his post history will show that he has had the same accusations of every US facing site. It is no wonder he privately continues to beg us for his account back.

Here he is complaining about the exact same thing at sportsbook.io

DO NOT BET AT THIS WEBSITE ON LIVE BETTING!!!!

IT IS CRIMINAL! IT WILL HOLD YOUR WAGER IN A QUEUE FOR MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TIME AND REJECT IT IF YOUR BET LOOKS GOOD AND ACCEPT IT IF LOOKS BAD

DO NOT BET AT THIS WEBSITE ON LIVE BETTING!!!

IT IS CRIMINAL AND FRAUDULENT AND DESERVES A SCAM RATING

This is a bold faced lie and also ignores the main issue.
Your scoreboard and live betting platform said the top of the first inning was over and it was headed to the bottom of the first inning with a score of 0-0. That is when I placed a bet of under 4.5.
They then score 3 runs in the top of the first inning!!!!
YOUR SCOREBOARD FUCKING LIED!!!
OH MY GOD THIS SCAMMING GOD DAMNED COMPANY. YOU CAN NOT GIVE SCORE UPDATES THAT ARE INCORRECT TO INDUCE A WAGER

And here is his most recent escapade with Nitrogen, from only 2 days ago

Everyone be very careful with this sportsbook. Their reaction to holding a player's funds hostage for 12 hours because of down time was to lock them out of their account, freeze their funds, and make them wait even longer due to a supposed CHAT VIOLATION?

What a complete fucking joke.

Yep. I don't really care if they chat ban me. That's their right. But they froze my funds and locked my account because I did something they didn't like in chat (which was ask why a game that ended 12 hours ago wasn't graded).

That's criminal. It's indefensible.

So is every site a criminal and a scammer, or does it all come down to this one player who berates staff and has a massive history of making unreasonable claims? We have provided ample evidence, with more to come if these claims continue. He has provided none, other than his all too common complaining with nothing to back it up.

[nauane]

The way Betcoin.AG is replying to every accusation against them is really good and it seems that they may not be at false in some cases. Its easy to point out anyone and give false scam accusations against anyone, but if the other side is responding to all queries and trying to defend themselves, then it shows that they are determined to solve any real issues, if there are any.

[okala]

I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.

[Betcoin.AG]

I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.

Hello, we admittedly have deleted what could be hundreds of posts by this one player, who has at least 3 BitcoinTalk accounts (kerrywoodwins20, javybaez2020 and sportsbookmonitor). This is because we addressed this one situation and moved on and he continues to spam the same post over and over again. As you can see on our thread, there are several accusations including this one, which we addressed and we have have no issue defending ourselves and moving on in these situations, as we believe in full transparency and are operating completely fairly. We have not deleted any posts other than spam. Also, the thread is open, however it was locked briefly because this user continued to post over and over and we didn't have the resources to dedicate someone to deleting spam continuously.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139

[nauane]

I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.

That is what i pointed out earlier. If they have a new management, they probably are very unlucky as they have to change their impressions from  the sort of shady site (i will not call it a scam site) to a trusted site.  People will not easily forgot the wrong doings of the previous team.

[seoincorporation]

Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.

You should make this public and not only share the info by PM.

If you are saying they are scammers would be nice to see some proof from your side... And i'm not defending them, i like to see solid proof from this accusation. I know their slots machines aren't probably fair, but that's all, idk if they are rigged in their poker tables or in their sports book.

[JohnBitCo]

Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.

You should make this public and not only share the info by PM.

If you are saying they are scammers would be nice to see some proof from your side... And i'm not defending them, i like to see solid proof from this accusation. I know their slots machines aren't probably fair, but that's all, idk if they are rigged in their poker tables or in their sports book.

I have known betcoin.AG for the more than two years through this forum and I still remember that they run the most successful signature campaign here for a very long period. I never heard anyone having issues in their campaign.

Although I did not play at Betcoin.AG but I will also like to see the exact details of any fraud which they did, else I would assume its just a false accusation.

[okala]

I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.

Hello, we admittedly have deleted what could be hundreds of posts by this one player, who has at least 3 BitcoinTalk accounts (kerrywoodwins20, javybaez2020 and sportsbookmonitor). This is because we addressed this one situation and moved on and he continues to spam the same post over and over again. As you can see on our thread, there are several accusations including this one, which we addressed and we have have no issue defending ourselves and moving on in these situations, as we believe in full transparency and are operating completely fairly. We have not deleted any posts other than spam. Also, the thread is open, however it was locked briefly because this user continued to post over and over and we didn't have the resources to dedicate someone to deleting spam continuously.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139

Thanks for a prompt response and clearing the air and letting us know that the thread was not lock as the ops claimed, since there is a new management team you guys should focus on operating transparently and be focus to clear the mess. Because in the community reputation is the first thing to protect.

[Betcoin.AG]

Thanks for a prompt response and clearing the air and letting us know that the thread was not lock as the ops claimed, since there is a new management team you guys should focus on operating transparently and be focus to clear the mess. Because in the community reputation is the first thing to protect.

Thanks, we completely agree and are happy to answer any questions or concerns either here in the forums or privately. The site has grown so much since the new group took over late in 2017 and we are so proud of the improvements that have been made. We have such a great base of members, which fortunately keeps getting bigger. Our team has also grown considerably, which allows us to provide the highest level of support to players. Overall, the player satisfaction rate has been extremely high, and we vow to continue working our butts off to keep improving and providing a great product.

[sportsbookmonitor]

Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.

You should make this public and not only share the info by PM.

If you are saying they are scammers would be nice to see some proof from your side... And i'm not defending them, i like to see solid proof from this accusation. I know their slots machines aren't probably fair, but that's all, idk if they are rigged in their poker tables or in their sports book.

I have known betcoin.AG for the more than two years through this forum and I still remember that they run the most successful signature campaign here for a very long period. I never heard anyone having issues in their campaign.

Although I did not play at Betcoin.AG but I will also like to see the exact details of any fraud which they did, else I would assume its just a false accusation.

They have admitted publicly they allowed a "glitch" (this was intentional, but they called it a glitch) that forced bad line movements against a player without the right to reject the bad line movement on the player's end.

They admitted this went on for 2 years (although it currently still happens as of a few days ago)

This "glitch" was a windfall for Betcoin.AG of no less than hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years.

No compensation has been issued to sports bettors at their website.

That's admitted fraud. It's not rocket science. They scammed and cheated customers and have issued ZERO compensation.

Example 1: Bettor likes team A -200... he puts a wager on it and hits submit. Line moves to team A -500 while Betcoin.AG is waiting to process the wager... Betcoin.AG processes the wager at -500 despite the player having NO SAY in whether he wants the bet at that line.

If you play anywhere else, you'll know real books don't do that. It is criminal, it is fraud, it is theft, and they have openly admitted they did it for 2 years.

No compensation has been paid to those players cheated and swindled. This is the most open and shut case of sportsbook scamming I can think of in fact.

[freedomgo]

The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.

[sportsbookmonitor]

The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.

If new management was "good" then they'd compensate every single sports betting player they've had over the last 2 years with a certain amount per bet to compensate the fact they literally stole from players by forcing them to accept negative line movements without rejection rights (while positive line movements were ignored).

They've admitted they did this and think they should get to run off with the hundreds of thousands of dollars that "glitch" put in their pocket.

Don't play there until they refund the players they scammed.

[freedomgo]

The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.

If new management was "good" then they'd compensate every single sports betting player they've had over the last 2 years with a certain amount per bet to compensate the fact they literally stole from players by forcing them to accept negative line movements without rejection rights (while positive line movements were ignored).

They've admitted they did this and think they should get to run off with the hundreds of thousands of dollars that "glitch" put in their pocket.

Don't play there until they refund the players they scammed.

Like I said I have not used this site a long time ago and I'm not updated with the scams and etc.
But what you said is so negative and I think I am not going to be interested anymore to dig deeper to know.
I am currently enjoy playing in different sportsbook,  though my sportsbook has some history of scam accusation in the thread but at least they are treating me right.

[SyGambler]

this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof

the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me

[sportsbookmonitor]

this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof

the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me

It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.

If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.

For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.

Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...

Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.

They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter? 

[SyGambler]

this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof

the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me

It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.

If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.

For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.

Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...

Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.

They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter? 

this was fixed long time ago and you are the only one who is bringing it back over again
the chat history that Betcoin revealed about that player clearly showing that he was taking advantage of the situation and the site was keep offering him bonuses

deciding to bring an old problem back after the site refused to give the player more bonuses is clearly fishy

when you bet with a site you are trusting them with your money , and sometimes mistakes happen
you should instantly report the problem so the site can fix the problem for you , but you are just coming back months after they said they fixed the problem
clearly there is something fishy with your story

personally I check the payouts and the odds for every single bet I make ( and I average around 15 bets a day ) why ?? because I had problems with sites here in the forum with green trust but they always fixed it for me after I reported it

mistakes and bugs happen , there are several times where the site credited me full win when my stake should be half win and there are times where the opposite happened

can't just accuse sites of scamming after several months when you don't report a problem instantly , especially that you decided to continue betting with them despite having problems as you are claiming

[romero121]

That's a self moderated thread, and they have the right to delete if they find it inappropriate. Simply for some reason it is not fair to describe one of the old gambling website as scam. Issues arise with each and every gambling websites, we need to contact the support team and get it rectified. If the same isn't possible go for scam accusation. I've been using it for a long, and hasn't experienced anything negative with betcoin.ag

[kerrywoodwins20]

this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof

the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me

It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.

If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.

For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.

Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...

Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.

They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter?  

this was fixed long time ago and you are the only one who is bringing it back over again
the chat history that Betcoin revealed about that player clearly showing that he was taking advantage of the situation and the site was keep offering him bonuses

deciding to bring an old problem back after the site refused to give the player more bonuses is clearly fishy

when you bet with a site you are trusting them with your money , and sometimes mistakes happen
you should instantly report the problem so the site can fix the problem for you , but you are just coming back months after they said they fixed the problem
clearly there is something fishy with your story

personally I check the payouts and the odds for every single bet I make ( and I average around 15 bets a day ) why ?? because I had problems with sites here in the forum with green trust but they always fixed it for me after I reported it

mistakes and bugs happen , there are several times where the site credited me full win when my stake should be half win and there are times where the opposite happened

can't just accuse sites of scamming after several months when you don't report a problem instantly , especially that you decided to continue betting with them despite having problems as you are claiming

You paid by Betcoin? Did they make things right for the slot player they scammed? What about the poker fraud players that got scammed? And now sportsbook players go unpaid and scammed.

They have scammed almost every customer they've ever had but you keep slurping that dick buddy.

If they wanted to make things right, they'd give every player they've ever had an average bet credit for the entire time that the fraud line acceptance was going.

Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.

[SyGambler]

You paid by Betcoin?

no I'm not , I just bet on all the available btc sportsbooks and hate to see false accusations without proof
the only site that is paying me is the site in my signature , but looking at your post history you were saying nice things about Betcoin so it seems you are the one who was getting paid

Did they make things right for the slot player they scammed? What about the poker fraud players that got scammed?

this was discussed millions of times , you want to discuss it again ? I don't think this is the reason why this thread was opened

And now sportsbook players go unpaid and scammed.

again where is the proof ? all I'm seeing is you complaining and yet you continued betting with them even you do think they are scam , don't you find this interesting ?
claiming that users lost tons of money with the sportsbook glitch while not seeing anyone actually reporting it here in the forums isn't accurate

If they wanted to make things right, they'd give every player they've ever had an average bet credit for the entire time that the fraud line acceptance was going.
Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.

people are dumb now ? you think people won't report that here in the forums when they don't get paid what they are owed ? I don't think so