Quickseller
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In the past week, 4 DT1-members have wiped their Trust list. This is probably caused by the drama that followed after theymos introduced Trust flags: Three of the four DT1 users who wiped their list are closely associated with Lauda, and likely did this to support lauda. minifrij has previously told me that he doesn't want to be in DT at all: reference. [...]I have no real interest in being a part of the DefaultTrust system, but I'm not going to put the energy in to remove myself from it. How the hell I would support Lauda if I wiped my trust list? I was not referring to you. But to answer your question, if someone received the PM from theymos, they could have wiped their trust list as a protest against being pressured to exclude lauda from their trust list. It would be a way of showing they would rather not participate in the DT system than exclude lauda. <-- this would be how someone could support lauda.
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TheBeardedBaby
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June 16, 2019, 09:48:11 AM |
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I was not referring to you. But to answer your question, if someone received the PM from theymos, they could have wiped their trust list as a protest against being pressured to exclude lauda from their trust list. It would be a way of showing they would rather not participate in the DT system than exclude lauda. <-- this would be how someone could support lauda. I don't see how it will benefit Lauda in any way, I understand if I have excluded theymos, yeah then I support him/her. But what you suggest the only negative will be for the community.
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owlcatz
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June 16, 2019, 12:29:22 PM |
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I was not referring to you. But to answer your question, if someone received the PM from theymos, they could have wiped their trust list as a protest against being pressured to exclude lauda from their trust list. It would be a way of showing they would rather not participate in the DT system than exclude lauda. <-- this would be how someone could support lauda. There you go again, speculating on why people do certain things that you can't figure out. You are fucking mental, get back on the meds and stop making shit up to fit your fucked up wacky ass agenda. Edit - Did you ever even consider the fact that many users don't want to even deal with, nor have the time for, ANY of this trust bullshit anymore? Did you even consider that "angle"?
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minifrij
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But to answer your question, if someone received the PM from theymos, they could have wiped their trust list as a protest against being pressured to exclude lauda from their trust list. It would be a way of showing they would rather not participate in the DT system than exclude lauda. <-- this would be how someone could support lauda.
I didn't receive the PM, but Lauda's quarrels with the flags system aren't really of interest to me. Lauda seems to have worked out the immediate issues they had with theymos anyway. My reasons are the following: - Having a custom trust list did very little for me. The difference between DT and the trust system with my list was a matter of 1 or 2 ratings most of the time. It wasn't worth the effort of having to maintain, or even think about the list.
- Having a custom trust list did very little for anyone else. The majority of people that have me on their list either trust the people on my list too or trust other people that trust the people on my list, so my trust list did very little to change the ratings people saw.
- I'm not DT1, nor do I want to be, and so my trust list has very little to do with any sort of voting.
- I think that the flags system is just further complicating an already complicated system with a questionable amount of benefit. I can't say I fully support it, so wiping my trust list is kind of my way of showing that.
- The reason stated in my PM to you.
tl;dr I don't think the trust system in it's current form is the best (but I think that anyone would struggle to make it any better). That, and my impact in the system being low, made it not worth the time or effort to think about and maintain my list.
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LoyceV (OP)
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July 13, 2019, 11:02:57 AM Last edit: July 13, 2019, 11:14:24 AM by LoyceV |
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I've updated the list. The most noticeable change: Lauda wiped his/her Trust list:
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LoyceV (OP)
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July 20, 2019, 02:07:29 PM |
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Update: The most noticeable change this week is that ibminer (who wiped his trust list in Week 2) has created a new one:
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LoyceV (OP)
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August 03, 2019, 09:15:00 AM |
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Update!The most noticeable change this week is that minerjones created a custom Trust list again (although only to exclude 2 users):
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LoyceV (OP)
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August 10, 2019, 06:24:21 PM |
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LoyceV (OP)
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August 17, 2019, 08:34:00 AM |
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Update: Not many users created their first Trust list this week. Reminder: if you haven't done it yet, do it! It's the only way to decentralize Trust.
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August 17, 2019, 10:10:53 AM |
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Did you ever even consider the fact that many users don't want to even deal with, nor have the time for, ANY of this trust bullshit anymore?
I still feel a bit guilty about not really using my trust list. I've only got 13 entries, and I should probably update it. My difficulty is that I'm a bit pre-conditioned to think of it as a trading reputation report, and I've only made a couple of small trades here. Both of those were simple purchases of Bitcoin from a Legendary member. As one would expect, they were both problem free. I was asked to remove a couple of my old entries, as the community felt that their behaviour breached certain community standards - trading in accounts for example. My entry was based on a personal assessment that they would complete any trade honestly, and without any problems. It's the apparent dual purpose of the trust system which makes it difficult for me to select members. Just because you aren't in my trust list, it doesn't mean that I don't trust you.
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LoyceV (OP)
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August 24, 2019, 01:11:46 PM |
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Update: A few familiar names created a Trust list (again):
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August 24, 2019, 01:35:59 PM |
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I asked for this, and you delivered, per usual..thx Loyce! Even though I know it’s going against your wishes, which I feel bad about, you know why I wiped mine. Same reason as I suspect almost every single other user did..the drama. Not worth it.
Thought..wouldn’t creating a trust list create MORE centralization? Isn’t DT a bit of centralization?
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LoyceV (OP)
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August 24, 2019, 01:52:11 PM |
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Thought..wouldn’t creating a trust list create MORE centralization? Isn’t DT a bit of centralization? I'll respond with another thought: You could make a Trust list including only people who aren't on DT yet.
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LoyceV (OP)
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September 01, 2019, 03:24:38 PM |
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LoyceV (OP)
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September 07, 2019, 01:46:44 PM |
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Update: It's noteworthy that this user only emptied his Trust inclusions, but not his exclusions: Last of the V8s ( Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) ( 1760 Merit earned) ( Trust list) ( BPIP)
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LoyceV (OP)
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September 14, 2019, 03:53:31 PM |
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Update! I see several familiar names who created or wiped their Trust list:
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LoyceV (OP)
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September 21, 2019, 03:43:24 PM |
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LoyceV (OP)
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September 28, 2019, 08:57:08 AM |
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Update: I recognize only one name: CryptoSparks created a custom Trust list just so it looks like his Trust is not negative:
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