How forum detect automated translation?

[The Cryptovator]

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

Question is how forum or moderators detect automated translation? And if someone cought what is the action from forum/moderators side?

For example, user sellinglegandaryaccount is using multiple local language (almost more then 5 different languages). May be its possible he/she know all languages and also there suspicion that he/she is using automated translation tools.

What is appropriate action about this case since it's related with forum rules.

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[LoyceMobile]

It's the same as other rule breakers: report it, so Mods can remove the post.

[Foxpup]

Generally it requires a native speaker of the language to spot vocabulary or grammar errors that are characteristic of machine translation. (Obviously human translations can have errors too, more so if the translator is not fluent in one of the languages in question, but the types of errors made will be distinctive enough that a native speaker can tell the difference.)

[The Cryptovator]

It's the same as other rule breakers: report it, so Mods can remove the post.

How will I detect also if I am not native? Actually question regarding detection of automated translation. How it will detect? Perhaps poster would claim that he/she know multiple languages. Then how it would be moderated? I am not wondering about report, I am wondering how moderators will handle it. Based on what?

[DdmrDdmr]

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On my local board one can spot them due to the way the expression are constructed, and especially when inaccurate words are placed in the phrases (this makes them stand-out). If I see them I report them, but more often than not, my local moderator detects them himself and deleted them. One good thing that our local moderator often does is to leave a comment stating the reason for an action (deleting a post, moving a thread to a given section, and so on).

[logfiles]

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

Question is how forum or moderators detect automated translation? And if someone cought what is the action from forum/moderators side?

What is appropriate action about this case since it's related with forum rules.

I think the detection can ve done by any member who is a native speaker of that language then they report to the mods... Pretty much like reporting spam.
It's just a community thing.

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I am still learning Spanish, and I am coming to your Local board soon. Hope my poorly constructed Spanish sentences won't be mistaken for automated translation 

[wumBowo]

Since the rules was created on 2014, back on those days translation tools like google translate is still poor to translate a sentences or even some difficult words.
So native speakers might be easily to recognize that and report it to the mods/admin.
however, nowadays translation tools have a huge improvement and it's hard to recognize which one using a whole auto translation and the one who doesn't (atleast on my own native language, bahasa).

[Lafu]

We have that Thread "  Übersetzungs-Spam gefunden? Hier könnt ihr ihn berichten " ( Translation spam can be reported here ) it means !

If we find some Translation spammer or someone who used Translation Tools we write it there and report the post or thread with the reference link to the thread we have for !

We got no problems with that and all Translation spam gets deleted !

[Halab]

Question is how forum or moderators detect automated translation?

Sometimes it's easy to spot fake translators. As here (see the selection of this archive).

Unfortunately, they're smarter than above. But it's usually quite easy to spot. There are technical terms where translation tools fail completely.
Some examples (for french):
Mining pools: translation tools often translate 'pool' into 'piscine' which means swimming pool. And we end up with ridiculous translations saying: Mining swimming pool.
Whitepaper : the literal translation is 'Papier Blanc'. But in good French, we say "Livre Blanc" (White Book). So when I see 'Papier blanc', it makes me very suspicious.

If I have any doubts, I compare with the original ann and look at how I would have translated it. Or sometimes I use the translation tools and if the result is the same (and with incomprehensible sentences), I'm pretty sure it's an automatic translation.

And I also rely a lot on the number of reports I receive about an ann. If several (trusted) members tell me that it is an automatic translation, my investigations are shorter and the sanction comes quickly.

And if someone cought what is the action from forum/moderators side?

Deletion of the ann (and I hope that the fake translator will not be paid).

May be its possible he/she know all languages and also there suspicion that he/she is using automated translation tools.
What is appropriate action about this case since it's related with forum rules.

It is indeed very suspicious, but recently I had the case where behind one account there were several translators. After discussions, the "Lead" translator fired the fake french translator. I don't know if that's true or not, but he didn't come back with his bad translations.

How will I detect also if I am not native? Actually question regarding detection of automated translation. How it will detect? Perhaps poster would claim that he/she know multiple languages. Then how it would be moderated? I am not wondering about report, I am wondering how moderators will handle it. Based on what?

It's more complicated, but if the mod receives several detailed reports or if the fake translator is already red trusted for bad translations, he doesn't have to think too much.
Otherwise there is the possibility to open a topic in Reputation and ask people who understand the language you don't know. And you link this topic in the report and mod will act according to the answers of this topic.

[kenzawak]

Easy to spot for a native speaker.
If you have to read the same sentence 3 times to understand it, you probably have a case of someone using a translating tool.
Some of the expressions used are also obvious proof of a fake translator. Some of them are just grotesque.
But a fake translator can also be a native speaker, one lazy fucker who just did his work very fast and didn't care much how it would look.

[erikalui]

I can see many users using automated tools for translating content but since there is no moderator in the Indian section, nobody checks these posts. Reporting them makes no difference as some of them change two-three words here and there to make it unable to detect the difference. There are some translators who claim to have a team but those team members all use automated tools in most bounties.

[bernardos]

I sometimes see these being posted in our Croatian board. Usually ANNs or a thread advertising a website or a service. The forum cant detect these translations on its own, its the users of that particular board who report it and based on those reports the post gets deleted.
I dont know what kind of checks the mods do to check if the report is valid and automated translation tools have been used. Mods any more info on that?

[r1s2g3]

I can see many users using automated tools for translating content but since there is no moderator in the Indian section, nobody checks these posts. Reporting them makes no difference as some of them change two-three words here and there to make it unable to detect the difference. There are some translators who claim to have a team but those team members all use automated tools in most bounties.

Somebody asked me to check few ANN in Indian section to check whether they are automatically translated . (Unfortunately , I never looked too deep on it.)
But my initial investigation was pointing that in Indian section, even native speakers are doing automatic translation to save the effort required in manual translation.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I think the easiest way is if the native speaker who reported the fake translation describes those words/sentences that are weird/wrong and why he/she thinks that the translation has been automated.

I've reported such translations before, here is an example:
The translation to Bulgarian, but many words were in Russian.

~snip~

Mнoгo кoфти пpeвoд oт pycки a гoлямa чacт oт дyмитe ca cляти. Mнoгo нeпpeвeдeни дyми:
дeлeгиpoвaнныe възли-вaлидaтopи
paзapxивиpoвaть
Haгpaдa вaлидaтopaм
Aльфa-тecтвaнe
пpитeжaтeлитe нa Эфиpиyмa
paздaвaнe зa мaйнepoв.
..и oщe мнoгo...
Пpиличa ми нa google translate, c мaлки кopeкции.
He знaм кoй би плaтил зa тaкъв пpeвoд.

[hugeblack]

You should distinguish between automatic translation and some language errors.
Second: Google Translator gives excellent results for *Most Spoken Languages* ​​and weak content of unknown/unused languages:

1. Translate some well-known words: This is an example of what happens when you translate some well-known ANN words:

Code:

فيسبوك، تويتر، انستغرام، تيلغرام، يوتيوب، سناب شات، وتد,p2p 
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tilgram, YouTube, Snape Chat, Stake, p2p

We notice errors in the translation of Snapchat and Telegram because the words (Snap= شبح  Chat = محادثة) have several meanings.

2. Some shortcuts: peer to peer (P2P), A.K.A, ....etc
3. Full-text translation: Google Translate may not understand some words so it leaves it as it is, causing a problem understanding meanings.

Code:

Full Member: 120 Stakes/week
Member: 80 Stakes/week
Junior Member: 40 Stakes/week
Newbie: 25  Stakes/week
KPI +50%: If you have 20+ posts written with our signature, you receive stakes x1,5

Code:

عضو كامل: 120 حصص / أسبوع
عضو: 80 حصص / أسبوع
عضو جديد: 40 حصص / أسبوع
مبتدئ: 25 حصص / أسبوع
KPI + 50٪: إذا كان لديك 20+ مشاركة مكتوبة بتوقيعنا ، فستتلقى حصص × 1.5

4. The direction of symbols: Some languages are written from right to left and vice versa.

[tranthidung]

Google Translators performs better with machine learning (I believe Google actually use it for this tool), so it's hard to automatically use other tools to find fake-translations from users if they use provided translation from Google Translator (especially for popular language, as @hugeblack pointed out). That is why we need moderators for local boards.
However, another thing will appear. Moderators can not do it themselves, they don't have time to do it, and they even should not spend most of their time to do it. It belongs to community responsibility. Members of local boards should report such fake translations if they find them.
Another component that results in abundant of fake translations is laziness of developer team whom come from (mostly) scam projects. They simply use their free money (from their scam projects) to pay for fake translators. They even don't check, don't care about quality of translations.

[erikalui]

I can see many users using automated tools for translating content but since there is no moderator in the Indian section, nobody checks these posts. Reporting them makes no difference as some of them change two-three words here and there to make it unable to detect the difference. There are some translators who claim to have a team but those team members all use automated tools in most bounties.

Somebody asked me to check few ANN in Indian section to check whether they are automatically translated . (Unfortunately , I never looked too deep on it.)
But my initial investigation was pointing that in Indian section, even native speakers are doing automatic translation to save the effort required in manual translation.

Heisenberg_Hunter has mentioned the list of translators who have used automated tools and I also helped him out. Still nobody replied regarding this and plus don't know which moderator to report to as there is no Indian mod now.

[r1s2g3]

I can see many users using automated tools for translating content but since there is no moderator in the Indian section, nobody checks these posts. Reporting them makes no difference as some of them change two-three words here and there to make it unable to detect the difference. There are some translators who claim to have a team but those team members all use automated tools in most bounties.

Somebody asked me to check few ANN in Indian section to check whether they are automatically translated . (Unfortunately , I never looked too deep on it.)
But my initial investigation was pointing that in Indian section, even native speakers are doing automatic translation to save the effort required in manual translation.

Heisenberg_Hunter has mentioned the list of translators who have used automated tools and I also helped him out. Still nobody replied regarding this and plus don't know which moderator to report to as there is no Indian mod now.

Yes, .Heisenberg_Hunter  requested to check the translation. I guess you can ask someone having DT powers to tag these translators.
You can still "Report To Moderator" , it will go on Global Mods queue in absence of local mods but I have no idea how they will be able to take action when they also do not know the language.

[1miau]

The main problem are Bitcointalk ANNs of shitcoins, often done by lazy bounty hunters using automated translation tools to translate for various languages they don't know and get more tokens. As Lafu already said, we have a dedicated topic and the points posted by Halab are a very good start.

In addition I'm going through the post history of the user and it's suspicious if he translates into various languages where no connection is between (like Chinese, German, Arabic and Russian) and never did a normal post in a discussion thread of my language.
A direct comparison between the original ANN, the translated version and test-translated using Google Translate is also very helpful, like we did it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415262.msg43246222#msg43246222 or here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415262.msg40965515#msg40965515
In German we have also some words where automated translations can be spotted, like "Bergmann" (means mineworker in German) (Miner) or other gibberish.

I don't see a single point as sufficient proof on it's own until it's not very clear. Most patterns are similar for fake translators and easy to spot when you know where you have to search.

As a result we list fake-translators because using automated translation tools is not allowed according the bounty rules. They are bounty cheaters and get a red tag if they are doing it repeatedly. Normally I give them some doubt and start tagging them after they have done 3 fake translations.
That's important to warn the bounty managers to stop hiring these scumbags for the next bounty.

ANNs of devs who are posting automated translations are just getting their topic removed because they don't cheat a bounty.

The problem is that we don't have a moderator in the German section because phantastisch was removed in November 2018. A native speaking moderator would be essential to ensure a correct handling of fake translations.

[Harlot]

If we are talking about other languages translated to English literally anyone can spot the grammar mistakes of a word for word translated text, if someone has detected the text then the user can always report it, either way users found this way are either plagiarizing or just posting in English-language topics. If we are talking about English text translated to foreign languages it's the same thing since any native language user can detect the awful translation and report it right away.