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May 10, 2019, 07:40:49 AM |
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Hello everyone, on 24th April we received from 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz 12.086 BTC (see image) On 3th May we sent 55.48974266 BTC to the same address but the recipient didn't receive it. It is a Binance account with the wallet address 1LiRFPdJNTwLT6UWYQT3KoAB6BAKEa8iQe Probably a huge mistake that we sent the BTC to the address directly which Binance used for its withdrawals. Just saw the address coming from and sent the funds directly to this address. https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2d21e8343bc1320896dae89a1ae3464c17ac2c2a359027060c099a36e057281dNow they are denying that the address 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz belongs to them. I need any proof that Binance received the funds to raise a solid claim. Any help is highly appreciated.
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May 10, 2019, 08:24:48 AM |
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on 24th April we received from 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz 12.086 BTC (see image) Was this a withdrawal from Binance? If so, there's your proof they control the address. On 3th May we sent 55.48974266 BTC to the same address but the recipient didn't receive it. It is a Binance account with the wallet address 1LiRFPdJNTwLT6UWYQT3KoAB6BAKEa8iQe It's no surprise 1LiRFPdJNTwLT6UWYQT3KoAB6BAKEa8iQe didn't receive it if you sent it to 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz. That leaves the question: Why did you send it to 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz?
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tekin_ural (OP)
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May 10, 2019, 08:45:45 AM |
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It is an obvious mistake. The address appeared on our screen as
Received April 24 2019 @ 1:05 PM To: My Bitcoin Wallet From: 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz €64.964,42 12.086 BTC
We just used this address which is quite stupid.
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May 10, 2019, 09:22:48 AM |
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It is an obvious mistake. The address appeared on our screen as Received April 24 2019 @ 1:05 PM To: My Bitcoin Wallet From: 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz €64.964,42 12.086 BTC We just used this address which is quite stupid.
Wait... I think I might have misread the OP slightly... or it was explained in a confusing manner... Where or whom did you actually receive the 12.086 BTC from? Are you 100% sure that transfer was from Binance? Did you withdraw 12.086 BTC from Binance to your wallet? or did the person sending you 12.086 BTC say they sent it from their Binance account?
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Now they are denying that the address 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz belongs to them. I need any proof that Binance received the funds to raise a solid claim.
Here it goes, The transaction from where you received 12 BTC first shares input from address 1NDyJtNTjmwk5xPNhjgAMu4HDHigtobu1s (which I had seen couple of times while doing some investigations) and it seems like Binance own it and they have addressed it here with their tweet (screenshot below). Since they both share the input in one transaction then it means that they both are owned by Binance and hence there goes that they are lying about them not owning that 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz address and a strong proof that they indeed received the funds. ( Source)
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tekin_ural (OP)
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May 10, 2019, 09:42:19 AM |
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It is an obvious mistake. The address appeared on our screen as Received April 24 2019 @ 1:05 PM To: My Bitcoin Wallet From: 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz €64.964,42 12.086 BTC We just used this address which is quite stupid.
Wait... I think I might have misread the OP slightly... or it was explained in a confusing manner... Where or whom did you actually receive the 12.086 BTC from? Are you 100% sure that transfer was from Binance? Did you withdraw 12.086 BTC from Binance to your wallet? or did the person sending you 12.086 BTC say they sent it from their Binance account? Thank you for caring. We received on 24th April 12.086 BTC from our partner which is a correct, smooth transfer. tx id: https://www.blockchain.com/de/btc/tx/f0d61e74a88aa7e3c6d8ecaac4ecdc1b8148bec191a1fefb32a74a17a806e35fOn 3rd May we sent to the address which appears on our screen as sender 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz 55.48974266 BTC tx id: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2d21e8343bc1320896dae89a1ae3464c17ac2c2a359027060c099a36e057281dBut this was a mistake because 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz is not the address of the partner but the sender address linked to binance main address 1NDyJtNTjmwk5xPNhjgAMu4HDHigtobu1s It appeared on our screen as sender. Now Binance's sender address received the coins and immediately sent them to various addresses. https://www.blockchain.com/de/btc/address/3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpzAny reply is highly appreciated.
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May 10, 2019, 09:48:32 AM |
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Look at Avirunes' post above... he has proven the "3DXb" address belongs to Binance... they publicly stated on Twitter that the "1NDyJtNTjmwk5xPNhjgAMu4HDHigtobu1s" address is theirs... and UTXOs from that address are included with UTXOs from "3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz" in the transaction that sent you 12.086 BTC. The logical inference is that as UTXOs from both those addresses were used in the same transaction, then those two addresses are controlled by the same entity...
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tekin_ural (OP)
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May 10, 2019, 09:54:01 AM |
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Now they are denying that the address 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz belongs to them. I need any proof that Binance received the funds to raise a solid claim.
Here it goes, The transaction from where you received 12 BTC first shares input from address 1NDyJtNTjmwk5xPNhjgAMu4HDHigtobu1s (which I had seen couple of times while doing some investigations) and it seems like Binance own it and they have addressed it here with their tweet (screenshot below). Since they both share the input in one transaction then it means that they both are owned by Binance and hence there goes that they are lying about them not owning that 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz address and a strong proof that they indeed received the funds. ( Source) Indeed, they confirmed that the main address belongs to them, they just deny the 3DXbTjQ3k4sWQuMHFwej5oY7obU6rCaRpz. Thank you for sharing the proof.
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May 10, 2019, 09:57:47 AM |
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Alright, it seems to be proven now that this address is owned by binance.
However, this still doesn't mean that they are going to give you your coins back.
One should assume that they are going to do this, but they definitely don't have to. They can either decide to keep it, because (1) it was your fault or (2) because their internal policy doesn't allow to manually access the private keys in such cases / initiate such transactions.
But i wouldn't rate binance as a company which will keep your coins. However, they still have the right to do so.
Sending 55+ BTC to a random address you received funds from is careless at least.
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tekin_ural (OP)
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May 10, 2019, 10:11:24 AM |
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Alright, it seems to be proven now that this address is owned by binance.
However, this still doesn't mean that they are going to give you your coins back.
One should assume that they are going to do this, but they definitely don't have to. They can either decide to keep it, because (1) it was your fault or (2) because their internal policy doesn't allow to manually access the private keys in such cases / initiate such transactions.
But i wouldn't rate binance as a company which will keep your coins. However, they still have the right to do so.
Sending 55+ BTC to a random address you received funds from is careless at least.
Thank you very much for your honest insights. Indeed, we can call it as a huge blunder, high definition virtual insanity. But it is a proven sender address whose owner is no one else than Binance. Sender and recipient are clear and I will post the result of their investigations here. Should be there today.
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May 10, 2019, 10:52:59 AM |
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Create a post on reddit about this and keep sending them support tickets and tweets. If this gets some publicity (it’s 55 BTC, so it’s not that hard) they will have to help you. Unfortunately, many exchanges only give you attention if something blows up.
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May 10, 2019, 11:05:24 AM |
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May 10, 2019, 11:08:40 AM |
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It shows as removed here. Can you try creating it on r/Bitcoin, r/BTC or r/CryptoCurrency?
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May 10, 2019, 11:31:36 AM |
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It shows as removed here.
This one is removed too. What's wrong with them?
Lol. Alright. That's pretty fishy.. I mean.. honestly.. they could answer with anything they want. But removing it.. come on..
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May 10, 2019, 01:09:52 PM |
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We immediately sent required documentation. Waiting for their refund.
We immediately sent required documentation and waiting for their reply which I will post here.
Dear user,
Thanks for your inquiry.
To handle your issue, please confirm that your account has passed level 2 verification first. We can not handle this issue for accounts under level 2.
In addition to that, please provide the information listed below: 1. The email address of your Binance account, 2. A video of the withdrawal record from the source wallet or exchange.
The video needs to meet below requirements: a) You must appear in the video. b) Please make sure the video shows your whole login process from the sender platform, website URL, and withdrawal records like transaction ID or hash and date. if you are using stargazer wallets, nano ledger or any other personal wallets, please show us the wallet address or public key in addition with Transaction details like Hash or TxID. c) The video size should not exceed 20 Mb if you wish to submit an attachment in the ticket. You can also upload your video to your private confidential drive and provide us the available link to watch or download your video.
We won't proceed with your request if any of the mentioned details are missing. Due to the sensitive nature of the request, we need to investigate this thoroughly and be absolutely sure before we transfer any funds to an external address. Also, due to the time and effort involved in manual retrieval, we will require a processing fee of 0.01BTC.
Please have a consideration on the fee and let us know your decision. If you agree with the retrieval fee, please keep at least 0.01BTC in your Binance account for fee deduction. We will conduct the retrieval process as soon as we received your confirmation
We won't proceed with your request if any of the mentioned details are missing. Due to the sensitive nature of the request, we need to investigate this thoroughly and be absolutely sure before we transfer any funds to an external address. Also, due to the time and effort involved in manual retrieval, we will require a processing fee of 0.01BTC.
Please have a consideration on the fee and let us know your decision. If you agree with the retrieval fee, please keep at least 0.01BTC in your Binance account for fee deduction. We will conduct the retrieval process as soon as we received your confirmation.
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May 10, 2019, 02:13:27 PM |
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and be absolutely sure before we transfer any funds to an external address If they want to be absolutely sure, why are they asking for a video that can be faked, instead of a signed message from the funding address?
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May 10, 2019, 02:48:55 PM |
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and be absolutely sure before we transfer any funds to an external address If they want to be absolutely sure, why are they asking for a video that can be faked, instead of a signed message from the funding address? Probably because of some KYC regulation blablas. But yes, i agree, a signed message or small transaction with an output previously clarified would instantly prove he's the owner of the BTC.. What do i know... It shows as removed here.
This one is removed too. What's wrong with them?
Lol. Alright. That's pretty fishy.. I mean.. honestly.. they could answer with anything they want. But removing it.. come on.. Nothing's fishy. His reddit account is <1 day old, with no karma or history. Most if not all subs on reddit require either of two before you can post submissions.
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May 10, 2019, 03:45:46 PM |
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UPDATE _______________________ Thank you for your email. The time difference is relatively large from your withdrawal time in the video and time in the blockchain. May I know the reason for this? We wish you all the best in your future trading endeavors. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions. Thank you for your continued patronage. Sincerely, The Binance Support Team
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I wrote the proper answer with documents. We sent the BTC on 3th May but Coinpayments released them on 5th May due to security check. Will update you about the outcome.
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