What's wrong with Vod, and Hhampuz

[marlboroza]

Look he's doing that cute thing that Lauda does by posting a picture or gif to try to make fun of you. Pretty cute marlie.

Why do you think I am joking? I am very serious, I got myself a brand new pair of horse blinkers.

Why is your "discussion" with Vod in my trust wall?

It's not?

Scare quotes?

It links to this thread because the public doxx post that you decided it was proper to merit was deleted..

I believe you can find that information in my previous post.

Further up in your post I see that you have another doxx problem..

Very interesting response to hhampuz's dox.

it's unfortunate that DT1 hasn't acted on that back then.

I am sorry to break your speculation, but someone did acted back then on this. Strange, nothing happened.

I'd take a look at it but it appears DT1 is okay with doxxing (my negative on Vod has been countered left and right).

It appears that DT1 is not ok with tagging Vod after he removed dox, I am not sure from where all these speculations are coming from. Why are you making things up?

Don't let them catch you selling an account though. Bad bad news!

You are not making much sense.

Try reading the thread for any other answers you need, I've explained my position many times quite clearly.

As I said, I (me) see everything clearly. Someone even quoted part of theymos's post to look like he said only something while he said many things, they forget to quote this part:

But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

Here you go:

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant.

Thank you for the green light theymos.

I see connection here

It'd be best to forgive - green light 

[suchmoon]

Any new DT1 member has to go back and fix the failures that people who have been on DT1 for years failed to take a stance on? How far back should I go? All the way to the forum beginning?

How about just page 1 of this thread:

I'd like it to be known that if it was "you" in the same situation I would have your back until it is proven that you were indeed doing something criminal.

Fast forward to page 4 where Quicksy attempts to dox me, repeatedly and maliciously, and you just gloss right over it, choosing instead to attack marlboroza. I guess I've done something criminal then, like speaking out against the almighty most-trusted never-wrong OgNasty, because you wouldn't be such a blatant hypocrite, would you?

Don't attempt to grow a spine, you won't like it.

[Quickseller]

I was disgusted by the reckless and vicious doxing in this case, where:
 - The evidence was very thin.
 - Even if all of the allegations were true, it'd likely result only in civil penalties, not criminal.
 - The whole thing was motivated merely by past arguments. OgNasty never caused Vod to even lose anything, as far as I know. An utterly ridiculous & disproportionate escalation.

You should check out the repeated doxing in my untrusted feedback someday.  

Thanks Theymos!  

On the topic of dox'ing via trust ratings, Vod has left trust ratings containing what purports to be personal information of the person receiving the rating for the following people:
*myself
* pmlv5555
* Gerald8

All of the ratings were sent after the rules on doxing were put in place. The two other users appear to have gotten nuked/banned, and I wonder if their actions that lead to their ban was in part caused by frustration of having this information freely available in their trust profile.

Fast forward to page 4 where Quicksy attempts to dox me, repeatedly and maliciously,

You really should stop being dishonest. The post you are referring to quite literally cited information you posted yourself.

[OgNasty]

Seems like a bitch move by Vod.

If it walks like a duck...

[suchmoon]

Fast forward to page 4 where Quicksy attempts to dox me, repeatedly and maliciously,

You really should stop being dishonest. The post you are referring to quite literally cited information you posted yourself.

You really should stop looking for excuses to dox me but that's not really possible, is it?

If you scroll a few posts up from the post you referenced there is an explanation why Google+ means jack shit as far as someone's identity. Explaining that is in no way a permission to keep doxing me. There is a reason why that information is in Investigations, asshole.

[actmyname]

But i don't understand why you are asking ?You are such a big mouth and still let me beg to confirm your facebook profil like last time.
It would take 5 sec.Where is the problem for you to confirm your profil when you claim you are willing to give me your full details ?

Vod you are begging me to open that lawsuite so you don't have 5 sec to confirm your facebook profil ?

Whats up ?

"I just don't understand why you won't want to self-dox and subject yourself to a lawsuit"

That is, assuming your words aren't blanket statements... which they often appear to be.In regards to doxxing, it shouldn't happen if you have the entire picture. When you have enough details to create a case outside of the forum for legal authorities to step in, public doxxing serves as a means to spread their information rather than investigate the user (case-by-case in certain scenarios).

If going after someone you presume is scamming or violating the law and you do not have enough details for their local jurisdiction to act upon, then creating an investigation thread for the purposes of uncovering their details to pursue legal action is more justified.Let's lock this and stop with the irreverent bickering, aye?

[Vod]

Professional shitposter. 59 posts/hr, tested.

LOL - love it! 

[btcsmlcmnr]

Why is this in Meta and why do you feel the need to stir this drama further? PM teeGUMES if you're curious.

Now, the question is clearer. If I did not start the topic, we would have not seen the following post of theymos, that help us have better overview on admin's stance on Trust system, roles of DT members, and the way Trust / feedbacks works. It's only better for the forum, I believe. At the start, I believe that something inappropriately used with such feedbacks, that's all.

I was disgusted by the reckless and vicious doxing in this case, where:
 - The evidence was very thin.
 - Even if all of the allegations were true, it'd likely result only in civil penalties, not criminal.
 - The whole thing was motivated merely by past arguments. OgNasty never caused Vod to even lose anything, as far as I know. An utterly ridiculous & disproportionate escalation.
 - It's based on the premise that purely statutory crimes are directly unethical, which I don't agree with at all, though I'm willing to mostly look past this as subjective.

It's good that Vod came to his senses on this after the fact, though doing it at all certainly blemishes his reputation in my mind, and I added to my notes the fact that those users merited such a post. Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum, and we do not need more posts like this on the forum.

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant. But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

For the meriters, I can understand the argument for red-trust, but I tend to think that it's at the wrong level. If the meriter was meriting it because they were actively thinking, "I want to make the forum really vicious, where everyone is constantly tearing each other apart for stupid things, and this post moves in that direction," even that's not really a trust-relevant motive, just a very unhelpful motive. And probably the meriters were thinking more innocent things than that.

By now, the purpose of the topic likely reached. Two cases of Vod and Hhampuz solved, and theymos once again stepped in and stated his opinion.
What do you think if I lock the topic? (Personally, I believe it is time to lock it). I will listen to your opinion till the end of today, and might lock the topic tomorrow, even next hours if most of you support to lock it.

[r1s2g3]

Why is this in Meta and why do you feel the need to stir this drama further? PM teeGUMES if you're curious.

Now, the question is clearer. If I did not start the topic, we would have not seen the following post of theymos, that help us have better overview on admin's stance on Trust system, roles of DT members, and the way Trust / feedbacks works. It's only better for the forum, I believe. At the start, I believe that something inappropriately used with such feedbacks, that's all.

I was disgusted by the reckless and vicious doxing in this case, where:
 - The evidence was very thin.
 - Even if all of the allegations were true, it'd likely result only in civil penalties, not criminal.
 - The whole thing was motivated merely by past arguments. OgNasty never caused Vod to even lose anything, as far as I know. An utterly ridiculous & disproportionate escalation.
 - It's based on the premise that purely statutory crimes are directly unethical, which I don't agree with at all, though I'm willing to mostly look past this as subjective.

It's good that Vod came to his senses on this after the fact, though doing it at all certainly blemishes his reputation in my mind, and I added to my notes the fact that those users merited such a post. Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum, and we do not need more posts like this on the forum.

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant. But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

For the meriters, I can understand the argument for red-trust, but I tend to think that it's at the wrong level. If the meriter was meriting it because they were actively thinking, "I want to make the forum really vicious, where everyone is constantly tearing each other apart for stupid things, and this post moves in that direction," even that's not really a trust-relevant motive, just a very unhelpful motive. And probably the meriters were thinking more innocent things than that.

By now, the purpose of the topic likely reached. Two cases of Vod and Hhampuz solved, and theymos once again stepped in and stated his opinion.
What do you think if I lock the topic? (Personally, I believe it is time to lock it). I will listen to your opinion till the end of today, and might lock the topic tomorrow, even next hours if most of you support to lock it.

Don't  know but whistle blower losing the DT status cannot be stated as a desired outcome.

But better to lock it because user can sort out their differences in PM and after Theymos reply we do not need to brainstorm more.

[Vod]

Lock it or don't - depending if you want to read more insults or not.

OG still has his "Vod is a liar" thread, and he'll keep it going, so have another thread like this with no purpose is up to you.

I'm too busy to reply often for the next few days...

[El duderino_]

Hhampuz : Super helpful and to trust member.


Vod : Don't know Vod as many as you, but see a lot of him, have had a few PM's and seem to be a very, extreem careful member for this forum and a member I would trust for a deal any day, as I know ifI would have a problem or something and PM him, he will help where he can!

IMO two members how more members should act or be like.


Now close the thread?     -------------------------->@forum and @Theymos, review my Msource application please thx, a fair chance is all i'm asking

[TECSHARE]

Theymos, I hope you realize you are opening yourself personally as well as the forum up to huge legal liability by not taking any action regarding this. If something were to happen to OGNasty, him or his family would have a very solid case, especially since Vod has exhibited this behavior multiple times in the past. Legally speaking you would have no excuses.

[TMAN]

Theymos, I hope you realize you are opening yourself personally as well as the forum up to huge legal liability by not taking any action regarding this. If something were to happen to OGNasty, him or his family would have a very solid case, especially since Vod has exhibited this behavior multiple times in the past. Legally speaking you would have no excuses.

How?

Theymos saw the post and then magically the Dox were removed - pretty sure he cleared his liability there buddy.

[TECSHARE]

Theymos, I hope you realize you are opening yourself personally as well as the forum up to huge legal liability by not taking any action regarding this. If something were to happen to OGNasty, him or his family would have a very solid case, especially since Vod has exhibited this behavior multiple times in the past. Legally speaking you would have no excuses.

How?

Theymos saw the post and then magically the Dox were removed - pretty sure he cleared his liability there buddy.

As I explained this is not the first time he has done stuff like this. By excusing this behavior and giving him a continuing platform to continue to engage in this behavior he is setting a clear precedent of complicity with this behavior. If this was the first time it could be excused with a claim of ignorance, but now he no longer has any plausible deniability and if something does happen Theymos and the forum could be held civilly liable for failing to prevent this behavior on his platform when he knew very clearly this was occurring and allowed it to continue regardless of deletions.

[FFrankie]

Theymos, I hope you realize you are opening yourself personally as well as the forum up to huge legal liability by not taking any action regarding this. If something were to happen to OGNasty, him or his family would have a very solid case, especially since Vod has exhibited this behavior multiple times in the past. Legally speaking you would have no excuses.

How?

Theymos saw the post and then magically the Dox were removed - pretty sure he cleared his liability there buddy.

How? It's pubilcy known that OG holds 500 btc and OG himself has posted his address on the internet.

Nobody shows up to bill gates house to rob him. What about the fact that banks probably have a lot of money in them I don't see people running and jumping to rob them.

How can theymos be held liable for information posted on a semi public forum? That is like saying Christopher Poole is responsiblily for everything posted on 4chan pre 2015

[TECSHARE]

Theymos, I hope you realize you are opening yourself personally as well as the forum up to huge legal liability by not taking any action regarding this. If something were to happen to OGNasty, him or his family would have a very solid case, especially since Vod has exhibited this behavior multiple times in the past. Legally speaking you would have no excuses.

How?

Theymos saw the post and then magically the Dox were removed - pretty sure he cleared his liability there buddy.

How? It's pubilcy known that OG holds 500 btc and OG himself has posted his address on the internet.

Nobody shows up to bill gates house to rob him. What about the fact that banks probably have a lot of money in them I don't see people running and jumping to rob them.

How can theymos be held liable for information posted on a semi public forum? That is like saying Christopher Poole is responsiblily for everything posted on 4chan pre 2015

I am just going to answer this pretending you have enough understanding of the law to comprehend it, though I have my doubts.

There are protections for commons, but as soon as you curate information, in the case by creating the precedent DOXing is not allowed, you inherently automatically create liability by picking and choosing who is allowed to continue to do so again in the future. You are either a commons or a publisher, and in this circumstance Theymos is firmly occupying the role of the publisher by enforcing the regulations on doxing on some but not all people. As a publisher he is liable for information he chooses to publish. This chain of logic is self evident. If doxing is not allowed, and this instance is excused, he is complicit in publishing the information in violation with the published and accepted terms of service of this forum (regardless of there not technically being one you click agree to or not).

[TMAN]

~snip

are you able to pinpoint the exact moment in your life that turned you into such a prized cunt? Really? do you think you are helping in anyway shape or form here?

[Thule]

~snip

are you able to pinpoint the exact moment in your life that turned you into such a prized cunt? Really? do you think you are helping in anyway shape or form here?

You must be a scared human througing always so foul-mouthed words arround.Could be also the result of being mentally defeated

[actmyname]

Ironic, how I behest others to disengage. Last one, since this is something new.

You must be a scared human througing always so foul-mouthed words arround.Could be also the result of being mentally defeated

Big mouth hiding ?Do you have no balls as you always claim?

What a fucking nonsense you claim.

he gave horseshit which could be used for a clear identification by law.

I hope you will take it like a men and stop bitching arround once you see the results of my actions.

We destroy accounts in the name of prevention because all users on bitcointalk are little monkies acting like a 4 year old.Only TMAN Lauda and Suchmoon will be able to protect these little no brain monkeys /irony

i don't wanna hear bitching about me when suchmoon is going to be hold responsible and that i didn't gave her a fair chance and warning to remove that abuse.

Big mouth, large oral orifice

[Vod]

Theymos, I hope you realize you are opening yourself personally as well as the forum up to huge legal liability by not taking any action regarding this. If something were to happen to OGNasty, him or his family would have a very solid case, especially since Vod has exhibited this behavior multiple times in the past. Legally speaking you would have no excuses.

No more HEIL Theymos?   You get drunk, post bullshit, then delete it, multiple times I have seen.  How is your head now? 

I have the courage to publicly stand behind my words - you don't. 

I agree with some things you say.  If you could control your jealousy, we could talk about it.