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May 14, 2019, 05:49:35 AM
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I was thinking posting about it would have the same effect as "reporting the posts". I went to report the posts in my thread and most of them are already deleted, and I reported the rest.

I also took some hours to go through 5 pages (goes back about 2.5 days) of the invites section to check for rule violations. I have exactly 100 unhanded reports, and I started with one or two I believe. Most violations were for not deleting old bumps, and there were a lot of KYC verified accounts for sale without an explanation as to how they are not hacked. There was also a small number of excessive bumping and selling similar items in multiple threads. Only one post in each thread was reported, so the majority of threads I looked at had some kind of rule violation.

Hopefully this will lead to the invites section being more friendly and more interesting.
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May 14, 2019, 09:45:53 AM
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I've reported around 30 posts bumps/sellers to see how it will be handled, so far I noticed the bumps are handled very fast while the account selling thing it requires more time (this is pretty logical btw).

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May 14, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
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Some accounts I don't ban because I can't ban them if they aren't newbies so I wait until a Global Moderator acts on the report, with some if the seller can provide the documents used for verification I assume they either belong to them, or they found someone desperate enough who's willing to provide document scans or selfies for a small fee. If they're selling hacked accounts then I assume the accounts even if verified would come without the assorted documents photos/scans. I'm sending a PM to theymos anyway for a clarification.

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May 14, 2019, 12:02:28 PM
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Yeah it's hard call I know, I've done the reports to test out the situation, most of those users (don't remember what I've reported) uses docs for different countries so most likely they can't sell their own documents.

Also most of them often talks about accounts.

(sorry if I spammed you with the report button  Grin )

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May 14, 2019, 12:23:43 PM
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I thought that another rule of our marketplace was that you are not allowed to buy/sell anything that is illegal in either the buyer's country or the seller's country at the time of the transaction.
Using the documents, identity, social security, bank information or address information of another individual is identity theft, or at least fraud in most jurisdictions. At the very least, it is against the rules of the sites, and violating the terms of agreement with a legally sanctioned business is also against the law and can result in "damages".

I believe the rule was amended so that "assuming" they are legitimately obtained accounts should no longer be the protocol. I don't think the selling of government issued documents, like identification, should be allowed.
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May 14, 2019, 12:36:59 PM
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Breaking a website's Terms of Service does not have to imply breaking the law.

I believe the rule was amended so that "assuming" they are legitimately obtained accounts should no longer be the protocol. I don't think the selling of government issued documents, like identification, should be allowed.

And it generally isn't, many accounts were banned for offering passports or similar stuff.

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May 14, 2019, 12:56:29 PM
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Breaking a website's Terms of Service does not have to imply breaking the law.

I understand that, which is why I'm not advocating for people to be banned for bypassing profanity filters on gambling chat-rooms.

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many accounts were banned for offering passports or similar stuff.

Then how is it any different to sell Social Security Numbers, Bank account details, government issued IDs, etc.?

I'm just confused how you can simultaneously say that people are banned for selling these documents, but then allow the account sales that include these documents.

with some if the seller can provide the documents used for verification I assume they either belong to them, or they found someone desperate enough who's willing to provide document scans or selfies for a small fee.
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May 14, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
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I go on a case-by-case basis, some sellers are plain fraudsters or carders and they should be banned, others may be satisfying a legitimate market demand, e.g. to people who get blocked by some bookie when they start winning too often. Of course if the seller is selling hacked accounts, or used someone's identity to verify these accounts without their consent, that's banworthy too.

A VBA (I imagine from some free pre-paid card acquired with no KYC) isn't also the same thing as a normal bank account.

And it seems even older Newbie accounts can't be banned by ordinary mods (or someone whitelisted them, or they have a Copper membership not showing), so that might also explain why it takes a while for them to get banned.

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May 14, 2019, 08:56:47 PM
Last edit: May 14, 2019, 09:59:31 PM by coinlocket$
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Quick recap

I've reported around 200 messages and I tested what I need to know so I've reported all kind of posts

90% of them are handled fast (bumps) 3 of them are marked as bad, 2 of them I can agree with it they are "clever bumps" but this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3169533.msg47203080#msg47203080 this one IMO should be considered a bump? (the poster has no removed the old post and this is a bump).

The newbie nuking take a lot more of time like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107934.msg49659419#msg49659419

he says Accounts, so his idea is to sell more than 1 account, and of course, he can have only 1 account with his data.

Same as https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127700.msg50441171#msg50441171 "Accounts"

Just my 2 cents.


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May 14, 2019, 09:10:21 PM
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Some accounts I don't ban because I can't ban them if they aren't newbies so I wait until a Global Moderator acts on the report, with some if the seller can provide the documents used for verification I assume they either belong to them, or they found someone desperate enough who's willing to provide document scans or selfies for a small fee. If they're selling hacked accounts then I assume the accounts even if verified would come without the assorted documents photos/scans. I'm sending a PM to theymos anyway for a clarification.
I don’t think this is enough to conclude they are not hacked.

I imagine some business handle KYC via email and some businesses have very poor information security practices. If the email account or business is hacked, a seller would have access to these documents.

The person could also be providing faked/forged documents.
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May 16, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
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Update: After under 2 days most of the reports (99% on a sample size of 200) are handled.

Some posts like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5137385.msg50887248#msg50887248 stay unhandled.

While a moderator can't ban Jr+, Can he at least delete these kinds of threads?

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May 16, 2019, 03:24:34 PM
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Just my 2 cents about this.

I see your 2-cents and I raise you 2-cents! That section is impossible to navigate. Finding a legitimate seller is nearly impossible and almost every thread in that section is breaking the rules. I don't know if Jr + would actually solve the problem, but it would be a step in the right direction. Limiting which users can access which sections further is disheartening, but at a certain point it is just necessary.

I used to thoroughly enjoy that section, for all of the cool accounts/invites that were offered; these days it's just hacked forum accounts, paypals, etc.
There's been an update to the rules of that section
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Accounts on sites that require KYC such as bank accounts, PayPal, etc. are assumed to be hacked unless you explain why they're not hacked.

With any luck that will be the precursor to additional moderation within that section, breathe some life back into it.
Make it a dollar. This guy has a good solution from.the problem and barely support to.it. Imagine that there will be no newbie selling fake accounts or.even scamming users that has the interest in buying high rank accounts. Probably there will be no scamming will going to happe. or it will reduce to minimal.

Good thing that OP has given his/her two cents. Nice approach of OP in solving the problem but the thing is that it needs to go for an approval for the admin before they will start doing their job and for the update.

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