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May 13, 2019, 12:36:42 PM
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The situation is quite simple, because of the actions of the exchange about 8 months ago was lost - a little more than 85,000 USDT. Trying to come to a pre-trial solution, but alas - unsubscribe "we do not guarantee, use the service at your own risk, You do not have to." All this begins to bother and the amount is large in General to leave as is.

Under what regulators is this "Binance-abyss", under what jurisdiction? Now a lawyer assures all apostilides and will begin mailing to regulators, to start with. There will be no effect, there is only one thing - to go to court. I will be glad to any advice, tips, any useful information.

If there are still "punished" by this casino - write, all exactly will carry out a number of activities on our issue, in parallel it will be possible to send your "stories-documents-complaints".

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May 13, 2019, 12:43:34 PM
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I think that Binance is Hong Kong based,I don't remember.
I don't understand what are you trying to say with your post.Are you scammed by binance?Do you want to sue them?Is this case connected with the recent Binance hack?
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May 13, 2019, 01:21:04 PM
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I think that Binance is Hong Kong based, I don't remember. I don't understand what are you trying to say with your post. Are you scammed by binance?Do you want to sue them? Is this case connected with the recent Binance hack?

This has nothing to do with the recent hack where nobody actually money in there except Binance itself. OP is talking about an event that occurred about 8 months ago where someone lost 80,000 USDT. The details are not quite clear but as he stated there is no recourse but to go to court and the question is the jurisdiction of Binance. Isn't it already headquarter in Malta right now?

 
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May 13, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
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I think that Binance is Hong Kong based,I don't remember.

Binance was Hong Kong based, or at least their HQ were in Hong Kong. Now, they have moved their headquarters to Malta, an European country. Malta seems to be one of the several crypto friendly countries. I don't know for sure, but it looks to me Binance should be compliant with EU laws now.
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May 13, 2019, 02:21:12 PM
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I don't understand what are you trying to say with your post.
His post makes absolutely no sense and shouldn't have been written in English in the first place.

Binance is probably out of Hong Kong, and it's certainly somewhere in Asia.  I doubt OP is mentioning legal action because of the recent hack, because I don't think any customers lost funds.  Binance itself took the hit.  Anyway, we'll never know what OP means unless he can get someone else to write his sentiments coherently.

On a related note, Binance said deposits and withdrawals were going to be suspended for about a week, and it's been roughly 6 days now.  I'm really hoping my funds aren't frozen for much longer, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  They're going to have a lot of pissed-off customers if they don't finish whatever investigation they're doing pretty soon.

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May 13, 2019, 04:16:04 PM
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I guess we don't understand what OP wants to say in here.
OP, maybe you need to clarify what do you want so we can give the right answer.
We can only guess what you want without knowing the truth so it will be better if you can explain more details.
Binance hacking news can happen too in the other exchanges, and we should be careful.
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May 13, 2019, 11:42:46 PM
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I got confused with OPs post. He just used Google translate to translate the thread that he posted on the link which was on the local Russian board. It seems that he is talking about the recent hack the occurred in Binance. Well, Binance took action on it and they made sure that users funds are safe. They are starting to work on their system to further improve their security system.

OP should really clarify his post, or else it will not make any sense.

 
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May 13, 2019, 11:50:43 PM
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I got confused with OPs post. He just used Google translate to translate the thread that he posted on the link which was on the local Russian board. It seems that he is talking about the recent hack the occurred in Binance. Well, Binance took action on it and they made sure that users funds are safe. They are starting to work on their system to further improve their security.

Using the translator lost the meaning of what he wants to convey. But anyhow, wherever Binance is currently based. They have done their homework where to strategically position their exchange to optimize the advantages of a certain country when it comes to crypto exchange regulations. And in my opinion, BNB will protect their clients from losing their funds.

 
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May 14, 2019, 02:51:40 AM
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i can't decipher how the 85,000 USDT was lost.

I think that Binance is Hong Kong based,I don't remember.

they used to be in hong kong, then japan. now they are operated from malta, although they have servers in several countries.

On a related note, Binance said deposits and withdrawals were going to be suspended for about a week, and it's been roughly 6 days now.  I'm really hoping my funds aren't frozen for much longer, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  They're going to have a lot of pissed-off customers if they don't finish whatever investigation they're doing pretty soon.

according to their update on sunday, they expect to reopen deposits and withdrawals tomorrow: https://www.binance.com/en/blog/334367288279687168/Binance-Security-Incident-Update-3

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May 14, 2019, 05:42:06 AM
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Binance is probably out of Hong Kong, and it's certainly somewhere in Asia.  I doubt OP is mentioning legal action because of the recent hack, because I don't think any customers lost funds.  Binance itself took the hit.  Anyway, we'll never know what OP means unless he can get someone else to write his sentiments coherently.


Customers does not lost funds but this lose is a reduction of the income of Binance and this will affect their tax liability.
The regulators will certainly conduct an investigation to whatever jurisdiction Binance is under of, if they found this incident unjustifiable, they will surely face the consequence and that's the time we users will be affected as their operations might be suspended, that's the worse case scenario I have in my mind.

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May 14, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
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I think that Binance is Hong Kong based,I don't remember.

Binance was Hong Kong based, or at least their HQ were in Hong Kong. Now, they have moved their headquarters to Malta, an European country. Malta seems to be one of the several crypto friendly countries. I don't know for sure, but it looks to me Binance should be compliant with EU laws now.
This is true and that move to Malta was made in 2017 during the wake of the Chinese ban on Bitcoin.


This has nothing to do with the recent hack where nobody actually money in there except Binance itself. OP is talking about an event that occurred about 8 months ago where someone lost 80,000 USDT.
This is sadly one of the reasons members of the forum don't take any post made by Newbies seriously. They are always in a haste to increase their post counts without caring if they misinform others or not.

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May 14, 2019, 05:32:43 PM
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I think that Binance is Hong Kong based,I don't remember.
I don't understand what are you trying to say with your post.Are you scammed by binance?Do you want to sue them?Is this case connected with the recent Binance hack?
Hahaha, he would have just looked for an English translator to do the job for him instead of using Google translator that cannot be as perfect as humans in interpreting it. I don’t think Binance scammed him because he mentioned something like 8 months, which Binance never had any issue of such or anything related to tether, could it be that its bitfinex he wants to mention and not Binance.

Binance has no relationship with tether, its bitfinex product and they alone should be responsible for that. Anyway, he has already put the original post which is in Russia and I hope we can get a Russian translator here that would help out.

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I don't understand what are you trying to say with your post.

he explained here:


Лyчшe пo юpидичecкoй чacти (юpиcдикция, пpипиcки, peгyлятopы).
Oтвeчaя нa вoпpoc: ПO биpжи тyпo нe cpaбoтaлo нa кoмaндy пoльзoвaтeля (нe пpoизoшлo cpaбaтывaния coздaниe opдepa) - a кoгдa этo пpoизoшлo (вpeмeнный пpoмeжyтoк чepeз 12-15 минyт), цeнa yжe yлeтeлa вниз. Ecли вкpaтцe и в цeлoм, бeз пoдpoбнocтeй и дeтaлeй.

translating:

" Better on the legal side (jurisdiction, registry, regulators).
Answering the question: the software of the exchange stupidly did not work for the user's command (the creation of an order did not trigger) - and when it happened (a temporary interval in 12-15 minutes), the price had already flown down. In brief and as a whole, without details and details. "

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May 15, 2019, 09:13:39 AM
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I don't understand what are you trying to say with your post.

he explained here:


Лyчшe пo юpидичecкoй чacти (юpиcдикция, пpипиcки, peгyлятopы).
Oтвeчaя нa вoпpoc: ПO биpжи тyпo нe cpaбoтaлo нa кoмaндy пoльзoвaтeля (нe пpoизoшлo cpaбaтывaния coздaниe opдepa) - a кoгдa этo пpoизoшлo (вpeмeнный пpoмeжyтoк чepeз 12-15 минyт), цeнa yжe yлeтeлa вниз. Ecли вкpaтцe и в цeлoм, бeз пoдpoбнocтeй и дeтaлeй.

translating:

" Better on the legal side (jurisdiction, registry, regulators).
Answering the question: the software of the exchange stupidly did not work for the user's command (the creation of an order did not trigger) - and when it happened (a temporary interval in 12-15 minutes), the price had already flown down. In brief and as a whole, without details and details. "

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get in touch with binance and explain your problem, they are the only ones who can solve your problem

At the moment, they do not want to admit their mistake, moreover, they openly manipulate the time of transactions (not paying attention to the time zone of the account). And do not forget to include a link to the rules, where black and white "We not guarantee You anything" - communication is with support, but it is... it's like talking to a deaf-mute.

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May 16, 2019, 10:48:21 AM
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Binance is probably out of Hong Kong, and it's certainly somewhere in Asia.  I doubt OP is mentioning legal action because of the recent hack, because I don't think any customers lost funds.  Binance itself took the hit.  Anyway, we'll never know what OP means unless he can get someone else to write his sentiments coherently.


Customers does not lost funds but this lose is a reduction of the income of Binance and this will affect their tax liability.
The regulators will certainly conduct an investigation to whatever jurisdiction Binance is under of, if they found this incident unjustifiable, they will surely face the consequence and that's the time we users will be affected as their operations might be suspended, that's the worse case scenario I have in my mind.
It was no one but Binance that lost a big stacks of more than $40 million. But they are wise and you know the way they treated its users was matchless. They said in their first tweet that they will cover the loss which helped the users keep control over their nerves. In addition, they took a week off to investigate and inspect the weak zone and make sure it is braced against any future hack.
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May 16, 2019, 06:08:15 PM
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They are based in japan because there is much better crypto laws there. At the time of their ICO and those early days they were in china but they moved their operation to Japan because China is a known against crypto type of country since they want their own currency to be worlds biggest currency instead of dollar but bitcoin makes that difficult by making all currencies worth less.

Now, they are based in japan and if you ever feel like you have been wronged by binance in any way or shape they do have great laws there that prevents those type of stuff to happen again. Once upon a time mt.gox happened in japan and even as early bitcoin days they handled it very well so they are focusing on becoming a bitcoin center country while still holding responsible liable on their actions.
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May 17, 2019, 02:14:22 AM
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They are based in japan because there is much better crypto laws there. At the time of their ICO and those early days they were in china but they moved their operation to Japan because China is a known against crypto type of country since they want their own currency to be worlds biggest currency instead of dollar but bitcoin makes that difficult by making all currencies worth less.

Now, they are based in japan and if you ever feel like you have been wronged by binance in any way or shape they do have great laws there that prevents those type of stuff to happen again. Once upon a time mt.gox happened in japan and even as early bitcoin days they handled it very well so they are focusing on becoming a bitcoin center country while still holding responsible liable on their actions.

Wrong. They're no longer operating under FSA, they chooses to ran off with Japanese regulators are hot on this heels. And as far as I know they are the first trading exchanges who brokered a good deal in Malta that's why they immediately take advantage of it and settled there.

As far as OP's problem though, reach out to Binance, there are the only one who can really help you out.

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June 15, 2019, 07:07:38 AM
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We’ve received from Binance a "gift", as they call it, in the amount of 10%. From more than 85.000 USDT, 8.500 USDT we’re allocated in BNB tokens. We’ve exchanged this sum. But what about the remaining 90%? This is where Binance redirects us to its own rules and explains verbatim: We owe you nothing, we don’t have to, and we are not responsible for anything, neither for trading, nor for users' balance, nor for users. You trade at your own risk.

Naturally, this “It is your fault” communication format did not suit us. Our entire situation of conflict (including screenshots of trading days, amounts on the day of trading, correspondence with support) was neatly packed into almost 116 mail envelopes and we start sending out to organizations that we think should monitor the “Unpredictable Cryptocurrency Market” and such “cowboys” as Binance. It should be added that as a result of communication in the ticket system, we could not find out where the physical office of the "corporation" is located, which company manages the exchange, in what jurisdiction, any contacts of the company, the legal department or at least some contacts of individuals. This is all a "mystery of the universal scale."

We attended an organized Meetup in Moscow, expressed our complaints and petitions to the representatives of Binance. They were there and there was no reaction on their part. It seems that such "actions" on the part of Binance are happening all the time and we consider them as fraudulent, including the manipulation of trade and all the rest.

I am publishing a list of organizations for every country that can (and should) be addressed in this situation if anybody needs it:
USA
United Kingdom
France
Germany
The Netherlands
Belgium
Japan
Hong Kong
Australia
India
Switzerland
Malta
China
Singapore
Republic of Korea

The organizations:
Japan Financial Intelligence Office (JAFIO)
Criminal Investigation Department India
Joint Cipher Bureau India
Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MII) China
Internet Society of China (ISC)
State service for coordinating the fight against crime on the Internet ( SCOCI Switzerland)
Cybercrime Coordination Unit Switzerland (CYCO)
Money Laundering Reporting Office Switzerland (MROS)
Suspicious Transaction Reporting Office (STRO Singapore)
FBI - USA
Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) – USA
National Cyber-Forensics and Training Alliance (Ncfta) – USA
National Central Bureaus (NCBs)
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) - USA
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) – USA
National Futures Association (NFA) – USA
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) – USA
Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) – USA
Department of Justice USA
Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section (CCIPS) – USA
New York City Department of Finance (DFS) – USA
Federal Reserve System (FED) – USA
Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (TFI) – USA
Department of the Treasury USD
Governor and Company of the Bank of England - United Kingdom
Police United Kingdom
National Police Business Crime - United Kingdom
National Cybersecurity Center (NCS) - United Kingdom
National Crime Agency (NCA) - United Kingdom
Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) - United Kingdom
The Serious Fraud Office (SFO) - United Kingdom
Ministry of Justice United Kingdom
Transparency International UK (TI-U) - United Kingdom
Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) - United Kingdom
The Anti-Money Laundering Forum is an initiative from the International Bar Association (ALMF) - United Kingdom
Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) - United Kingdom
European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) – France
The European Banking Authority (EBA) – France
Interpol
Ministère de l'Économie et des Finances (TRACFIN) – France
Financial Action Task Force (FATF) – France
Council of Europe European Committee on Crime Problems (CDPC) – France
European Insurance and Occupational Pensions Authority (EIOPA) – Germany
Europol - The Netherlands
Eurojust - The Netherlands
European Anti-Fraud Office (OLAF) – Belgium
National Police Agency – Japan
Bank of Japan
Ministry of Finance (Japan)
Financial Services Agency (FSA) – Japan
Japan Securities Dealers Association (JSDA) – Japan
Securities and Futures Commission (SFC) – Hong Kong
Hong Kong Police Force
HONG KONG Monetary Authority
Security Bureau Hong Kong
Joint Financial Intelligence Unit (JFI) - Hong Kong
Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) – Australia
Reserve Bank of India (RBI) – India
The Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) – India
Indian Police Service
Intelligence Bureau India
Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) – India
Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (Finma) – Switzerland
Money Laundering Reporting Office Switzerland (MROS) – Switzerland
Federal Office of Police Switzerland
Swiss National Bank (SNB)
Nachrichtendienst des Bundes (NDB) - Switzerland
The Malta Financial Services Authority (MFSA) – Malta
Central Bank of Malta
Cyber Crime Unit Malta
Financial Intelligence Analysis Unit (FIAU) – Malta
China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) – China
CBRC – China
The peoples Bank of China
Ministry of Public Security (MPS) – China
Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) - Singapore
Singapore Police Force
Cyber Security Agency Singapore
Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) – Singapor
FSS - Republic of Korea
Korea's Financial Services Commission (FSC) - Republic of Korea
FIU - Republic of Korea
Bank of Korea
National Police Agency - Republic of Korea
SUPREME PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE - Republic of Korea
KFIU - Republic of Korea
National Intelligence Service (NIS) - Republic of Korea
Ministry of National Defense - Republic of Korea
Korea Financial Intelligence Unit (KoFI) - Republic of Korea


If someone needs contacts: emails, telephones, faxes, addresses of each organization, then write to us, and we will provide them.

At the same time, we are planning to create a web resource to highlight this problem, to collect "secret information" about the "secret corporation", to gather similar stories and methods for getting out of them. Nevertheless, traders also have rights, and the exchange should have its own obligations, and not just receive a commission, sell its useless tokens, and manipulate the market. 

I will publish later the address of the web resource, and we will continue.

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