Vod - Trust Abuse - Lies - Intimidation

[bill gator]

I have never had $4,000,000 or 500 BTC to be stolen. This is not the purpose nor precedent of the "Risked BTC" function.

- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

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Vod	2019-05-14	0.00000000		Claiming I stole almost $4,000,000 from him.

Vod DOX'd OGNasty and attached the idea that there is 500 BTC held by the resident that was provided.

Vod has left me a negative feedback, presumably in retaliation for leaving them a negative feedback. A negative feedback that was deemed appropriate by theymos. The only DT1 negative feedback Vod is currently faced with. If this is not proof that they are out of control, flailing with power-abuse and hoping that their shit sticks to the wall - then I don't know what is.

I have done nothing relating to what they are claiming I have done and this is clearly and abuse of the trust system.

I have never claimed that Vod stole anything from me; he knows this. This is a lie, this feedback is frivolous and VOD should be removed from DT for their actions over the past week.

Liars do not belong on DT1.

Vod has updated their trust feedback

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Vod	2019-05-14	0.00000000		Bill put my life at risk by claiming I stole four million dollars. He then removed it, but we both agree such actions should not be forgotten.

I did not claim he stole four million dollars. You cannot reasonably justify anything resembling me putting Vod's life at risk.
My feedback on Vod was never meant to be permanent, I simply wanted a single DT1 feedback to reflect that a flaw of judgement had occurred. I cannot fathom how every user that has left negative feedback to Vod for this situation has been removed from DT if they were on it.

[TMAN]

Really?



what does risked amount mean? do you need me to draw this out with crayons? seriously you are fucking unhinged.  your tag indicates vod is a scammer and you risked $4MM

[bill gator]

The amount of BTC that could stand to be lost in the event that Vod's DOX was correct and someone decided to act on the information he provided.

Risked BTC does not indicate a claim of personal damages and never has. theymos has even mentioned increasing it based on judgement.

- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

If I remove the 500 BTC risked, which I am happy to do if that's the consensus of more than the usual half-dozen, will you still find a way to defend Vod's actions?

Edit: I got the answer to the question above: Yes.

[OgNasty]

I don't think he'll be in DT too much longer.  You've earned my respect how you've handled this in a major way Bill.  I'm sorry for the harassment you'll receive as a result, but you are most certainly on the right side of history here and are clearly putting the forum's interests before your own.

[DireWolfM14]

I have never had $4,000,000 or 500 BTC to be stolen. This is not the purpose nor precedent of the "Risked BTC" function.

This feud is really getting to the point of petty bitchslaps and mudslinging.  Vod made a mistake, he owned up to it, apologized for it, and removed the offensive material.  We all make mistakes, it's how we handle them that's important.  Accountability, responsibility, humility, and honesty are indicators of a trustworthy person.  I had respect for Vod prior, but now I know he's a man of integrity.

Presenting your review with the 500BTC risked is quite petty and childish.  Here you are admitting it's a falsehood.  Here you are making excuses and trying to justify your false report.  That is not a display of integrity.  In fact, that's likely the type of behavior that got you removed from DT1 the first time, and is likely to result with the same affect this time.

Just my opinion, do with it what you will.

[OgNasty]

Damn, forgot to include a risked amount with my rating.  Thanks for pointing this out.  I'll have to fix that later...  

[bill gator]

I have changed my trust-rating to remove the 500BTC risked, as I can see that is an issue everyone has different ideas about. You give out the address of someone holding 500 BTC, tell everyone they have 500 BTC, but somehow do not think that 500 BTC are at risk; that is a strange one in my head.

Regardless, for you to say that Vod has integrity, while he is knowingly and actively lying about me claiming he has stolen anything from me is disingenuous at the very least, maliciously biased at worst. I am not making excuses, I am accepting the criticism that has been brought towards my rating and edited it. I was using theymos' post as a reference for how to utilize the "Risked BTC"

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The amount of BTC that could stand to be lost in the event that Vod's DOX was correct and someone decided to act on the information he provided.

I probably would not have included that figure with the feedback, just because it's a bit speculative and depends on a chain of events that might not happen.  I respect Vod and the good works he's done here, but at this point I wouldn't argue with the trust you left him. 

This situation has gotten way out of control, and everybody seriously needs to take a deep breath and a step back.  We've got legal threats, claims of harassment, people wanting out of DT, and probably other drama going on that I can't think of as I write this.  It's easy for me to say "calm down" because I'm not involved in the brouhaha, but I think that's what everyone needs to do right now.  If a truce isn't possible, at least a temporary cease-fire agreement should be made before any more hasty emotional actions are taken.

[DireWolfM14]

Regardless, for you to say that Vod has integrity, while he is knowingly and actively lying about me claiming he has stolen anything from me is disingenuous at the very least, maliciously biased at worst.

Look, we've all engaged in petty pissing matches, most of us in real life as well as on the interwebs.  Obviously Vod isn't immune, or he wouldn't have doxed OG.  That was petty and malicious, and it was a mistake.  He shouldn't have done it, he was the first to admit that.  Credit where credit is due.

[TMAN]

Bill you are a twat. But I have countered vods emotional reaction, let the 2 idiots fight away and once the dust has settled make a thread here discussing the feedback from vod. Fighting stuff now whilst he is fighting with OG will only lead to collateral damage. Just chill dude

[suchmoon]

I was using theymos' post as a reference for how to utilize the "Risked BTC"

That post from 2013 is no longer true. Trust score doesn't depend on the amount. You might want to familiarize yourself with what you're doing before your stir up more unnecessary drama.

[bill gator]

Credit where credit is due.

You're right, at least the DOX isn't still up, at least he isn't lying about having posted it or doing any other kind of gymnastics to avert culpability. I respect that wholeheartedly, I respect Vod as a community member, as an investigator, etc. I just know that anyone else would be held to a higher standard of consequence than this - Vod acknowledging their mistake does not erase it, but I agree it makes it better than it would have otherwise been.. To a large degree.

Bill you are a twat. Just chill dude

I'll take a step-back, get my greasy fingers off the keyboard and see where the pieces fall. Thanks for doing the right thing TMAN.

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I wouldn't say Vod facing consequences is unnecessary drama. Continue to passive-aggressively roll around the forum.

[yogg]

Look, we've all engaged in petty pissing matches, most of us in real life as well as on the interwebs.  Obviously Vod isn't immune, or he wouldn't have doxed OG.  That was petty and malicious, and it was a mistake.  He shouldn't have done it, he was the first to admit that.  Credit where credit is due.

And on top of that, that doesn't remove the facts that he is a very active contributor, that the vast majority of feedbacks left by Vod are very effective against scammers, thus protecting more naive members.
Errors and mistakes happen. What is worst is to be blind towards it and be in denial. Vod isn't.

I still believe that his presence and actions have an overall beneficial effect on the forum

[Quickseller]

Vod has a history of acting this way.

Frankly I am surprised anyone even decided to try to stand up to him. It is a good thing people are finally opening their eyes about him.

[suchmoon]

I wouldn't say Vod facing consequences is unnecessary drama.

Consequences - ok. Exaggerating the issue and using a 6-year old outdated post to justify it - unnecessary. This thread - unnecessary.

This now seems to be heading towards a bunch of blacklistings, if the rumors about theymos' prior intervention are to be believed. Truly sad shit.

[Vod]

This now seems to be heading towards a bunch of blacklistings, if the rumors about theymos' prior intervention are to be believed. Truly sad shit.

Agreed - I respect Theymos and I adore bitcoin, but he has not been maintaining this forum satisfactorily from my perspective.

Bill and OG are out of DT, appropriately, so the only one that will be hurt is myself, and I am OK if Theymos feels he needs to blacklist me.

There are a lot of trolls and a lot of scams and this "hands off approach" which has now endangered my life, has gone too far.

I know the IRS won't kill OG - they will just take his house.  If OG believed he paid taxes, he wouldn't have hired someone to stalk and harass me IRL.

[OgNasty]

Vod has a history of acting this way.

Frankly I am surprised anyone even decided to try to stand up to him. It is a good thing people are finally opening their eyes about him.

LOL. I didn’t hesitate to call him out. All he can do is tell lies. There’s literally nothing to fear from him. He’s a neutered user here now, biting at the hands of those dog walking him.

Vod, I purchased my home before satoshi created Bitcoin. You’re embarrassing yourself.

[Quickseller]

Vod has a history of acting this way.

Frankly I am surprised anyone even decided to try to stand up to him. It is a good thing people are finally opening their eyes about him.

LOL. I didn’t hesitate to call him out. All he can do is tell lies. There’s literally nothing to fear from him. He’s a neutered user here now, biting at the hands of those dog walking him.

Many people seemed to have feared him in the past. As you have seen once you stood up to him, he consistently trolls anyone critical of him. He also has shown himself to hold grudges.

He had used his position on DT to intimidate others. People were afraid of having their reputation trashed by getting on his bad side. Why do you think he has so much merit? I can tell you it isn’t because he makes good posts...

[TECSHARE]

I have never had $4,000,000 or 500 BTC to be stolen. This is not the purpose nor precedent of the "Risked BTC" function.

This feud is really getting to the point of petty bitchslaps and mudslinging.  Vod made a mistake, he owned up to it, apologized for it, and removed the offensive material.  We all make mistakes, it's how we handle them that's important.  Accountability, responsibility, humility, and honesty are indicators of a trustworthy person.  I had respect for Vod prior, but now I know he's a man of integrity.

Presenting your review with the 500BTC risked is quite petty and childish.  Here you are admitting it's a falsehood.  Here you are making excuses and trying to justify your false report.  That is not a display of integrity.  In fact, that's likely the type of behavior that got you removed from DT1 the first time, and is likely to result with the same affect this time.

Just my opinion, do with it what you will.

This is not a new issue. You have not been around long enough to know that this is a repeating pattern of behavior with Vod. If you care to read about it PM me and I will be happy to link you all kinds of backstory of his abusive behavior, his pathetic excuses to cover it up, and Theymos and the community in general doing nothing to check his behavior. He has done this so many times I have lost count. He does this over and over because there are never any penalties to him and excuses are always made as the community in general just looks the other way. You have to understand the mentality of people like Vod, he will continue to escalate and do more and more extreme things because he WANTS to be restrained because he can't control himself. He has severe obsessive compulsive disorders (among other issues I'm sure) which means this is going to happen over and over and over and over and his history here has born that out.

The amount of BTC that could stand to be lost in the event that Vod's DOX was correct and someone decided to act on the information he provided.

I probably would not have included that figure with the feedback, just because it's a bit speculative and depends on a chain of events that might not happen.  I respect Vod and the good works he's done here, but at this point I wouldn't argue with the trust you left him.  

This situation has gotten way out of control, and everybody seriously needs to take a deep breath and a step back.  We've got legal threats, claims of harassment, people wanting out of DT, and probably other drama going on that I can't think of as I write this.  It's easy for me to say "calm down" because I'm not involved in the brouhaha, but I think that's what everyone needs to do right now.  If a truce isn't possible, at least a temporary cease-fire agreement should be made before any more hasty emotional actions are taken.

Make no mistake buddy, you are neck deep in it, its just is not your turn yet.

[Vod]

There’s literally nothing to fear from him

Yet you've still hired someone to stalk me??   Why?