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May 16, 2019, 08:56:24 AM
Last edit: May 18, 2019, 11:39:28 AM by LoyceV
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I encourage anyone to create their own custom Trust list!



After Merit Backscratchers: who scratched who's back the most?, I now present: Trust Selfscratchers: who scratched his own back the most?

A "Trust Selfscratcher" is someone who received positive feedback from a user, and has included said user on his Trust list.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it can be, especially if someone included almost all users who left him positive feedback.
If that user is on DT1, leaving him positive feedback can be used to become DT2, and that's undesirable when done for the wrong reasons. Moreover, the DT1-member is artificially inflating his own positive Trust score (unless another DT1 also included the same user).

I have made 3 categories: users on DT1, users on DT2, and all other users who manually included someone on their Trust list.
The DT1-category is the most urgent category, and the other categories can be used as "early warning" for future problems in case users move up on the DT-ladder.

Example
I've noticed Dabs before, and he is indeed on top of the DT1 Selfscratchers list. He currently has +42 positive DT-feedbacks, and if I exclude him to see the difference (don't test this on a DT1-account!), he has only +7 left. I'm not sure if this needs to change, I'm just showing the data for public scruteny :P
Compare this to #2 (greenplastic): He currently has +47 positive DT-feedbacks, and if I exclude him, he still has +39 left.

For the Top Selfscratchers on DT2 it's easy to see how much their trust score would go up if they'd make it to DT1. PsychoticBoy for example has +12 positive DT-feedbacks, and included a whopping 88 users who left him positive feedback. If he's become DT1, he'd instantly be very high up the Most Trusted list.

At the non-DT category (labeled "other"), the top Selfscratchers are even more extreme.

Solution?
The negative effects of Selfscratching could be mitigated by requiring 2 DT1 inclusions to be on DT2. See what reduction in DT2-members this would create. Theymos: will you consider increasing the DT2 requirements?

Disclaimer
Merit and Trust data is from respectively last Friday and last Saturday, the feedback is a bit more recent.

Updates
I don't plan on doing regular (weekly) updates, if you want an update, just post here.

Selfscratchers DT1 The bold number shows how many users have left positive feedback and are included on the user's trust list (click the username to see the user's Selfscratchers list)

     1. 42x Dabs (Trust: 410: -0 / +42) (DT1! (4) 140 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 41x greenplastic (Trust: 437: -0 / +47) (DT1! (20) 102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 32x minerjones (Trust: 919: -0 / +101) (DT1! (32) 644 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 25x BitcoinPenny (Trust: 379: -0 / +41) (DT1! (17) 485 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 23x buckrogers (Trust: 254: -0 / +26) (DT1! (10) 43 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 20x anonymousminer (Trust: 167: -0 / +25) (DT1! (13) 400 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 17x TMAN (Trust: 238: -0 / +26) (DT1! (24) 1007 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 17x Ticked (Trust: 258: -0 / +28) (DT1! (9) 182 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 16x hedgy73 (Trust: 250: -0 / +25) (DT1! (1) 50 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 15x ezeminer (Trust: 214: -0 / +22) (DT1! (13) 88 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 14x Hhampuz (Trust: 373: -0 / +47) (DT1! (34) 965 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 14x Lafu (Trust: 49: -0 / +6) (DT1! (16) 532 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 14x bill gator (Trust: 0: -1 / +14) (DT1! (0) 510 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 14x dazedfool (Trust: 222: -0 / +29) (DT1! (7) 109 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 13x monkeynuts (Trust: 280: -0 / +28) (DT1! (20) 188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 13x owlcatz (Trust: 366: -0 / +39) (DT1! (27) 210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 12x Anduck (Trust: 3: -1 / +18) (DT1! (7) 43 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 12x SebastianJu (Trust: 253: -0 / +26) (DT1! (10) 34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 12x vizique (Trust: 242: -0 / +27) (DT1! (14) 181 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 12x Lauda (Trust: 303: -0 / +31) (DT1! (23) 996 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 11x LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: 60: -0 / +10) (DT1! (8) 668 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 11x yogg (Trust: 199: -0 / +25) (DT1! (20) 570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 10x DarkStar_ (Trust: 268: -0 / +32) (DT1! (28) 745 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 10x The Pharmacist (Trust: 183: -0 / +22) (DT1! (34) 1882 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 10x qwk (Trust: 130: -0 / +15) (DT1! (31) 1059 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 10x Lesbian Cow (Trust: 331: -0 / +37) (DT1! (22) 368 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 10x TheNewAnon135246 (Trust: 258: -0 / +27) (DT1! (15) 684 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 10x krogothmanhattan (Trust: 438: -0 / +53) (DT1! (25) 1038 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 9x phantastisch (Trust: 119: -0 / +12) (DT1! (4) 241 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 9x hybridsole (Trust: 192: -0 / +20) (DT1! (14) 177 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. 9x gmaxwell (Trust: 140: -0 / +14) (DT1! (26) 1244 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. 8x Kryptowerk (Trust: 141: -0 / +24) (DT1! (8) 348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. 8x Vod (Trust: 1: -2 / +27) (DT1! (30) 1164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. 7x suchmoon (Trust: 69: -0 / +11) (DT1! (45) 2168 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. 7x ICOEthics (Trust: 58: -0 / +14) (DT1! (22) 728 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. 7x Avirunes (Trust: 85: -0 / +10) (DT1! (10) 239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    37. 7x EcuaMobi (Trust: 164: -0 / +17) (DT1! (8) 355 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    38. 7x Mitchell (Trust: 370: -0 / +37) (DT1! (33) 249 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    39. 6x lovesmayfamilis Banned! (Trust: 9: -0 / +5) (DT1! (1) 470 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    40. 6x philipma1957 (Trust: 208: -0 / +21) (DT1! (19) 675 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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    52. 4x LoyceV (Trust: 118: -0 / +16) (DT1! (49) 2779 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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......... (see the full list)
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    82. 0x chimk (Trust: 1: -0 / +1) (DT1! (6) 405 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    83. 0x Veleor (Trust: 6: -0 / +2) (DT1! (9) 530 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Selfscratchers DT2

     1. 88x PsychoticBoy (Trust: 110: -0 / +11) (7 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 35x comit (Trust: 209: -0 / +24) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 22x mrbrt (Trust: 110: -0 / +11) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 21x crowetic (Trust: 40: -0 / +4) (13 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 19x start the art (Trust: 110: -0 / +11) (31 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 18x HagssFIN (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (328 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 17x BigBitz (Trust: 50: -0 / +6) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 17x dArkjON (Trust: 110: -0 / +11) (12 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 16x ssateneth (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 15x KWH (Trust: 70: -0 / +7) (33 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 15x TookDk (Trust: 250: -0 / +25) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 14x digicoinuser (Trust: 380: -0 / +38) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 13x Chefin (Trust: 50: -0 / +5) (71 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 12x Blazed (Trust: 619: -0 / +62) (100 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 11x Akka (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 11x bavicrypto (Trust: 191: -0 / +23) (39 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 11x micgoossens (Trust: 61: -0 / +15) (1888 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 10x rammy2k2 (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 10x fhh (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 10x BCB (Trust: 1: -1 / +6) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. 10x Xprim777 (Trust: 140: -0 / +14) (75 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. 10x Zepher (Trust: 313: -0 / +33) (82 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. 10x klaaas (Trust: 104: -0 / +11) (26 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. 9x cryptoheadd (Trust: 0: -1 / +19) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. 9x BitcoinNewsMagazine (Trust: 57: -0 / +6) (55 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. 9x klarki (Trust: neutral) (116 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. 9x Agrawas (Trust: 34: -0 / +13) (124 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. 8x BG4 (Trust: 160: -0 / +16) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. 8x Limx Dev (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (298 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. 8x zefir (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
.........
......... (see the full list)
.........
   366. 0x Icygreen (Trust: neutral) (145 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   367. 0x mavrick951 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Selfscratchers others

     1. 228x Sampey (Trust: 40: -0 / +4) (30 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. 195x CanaryInTheMine (Trust: 217: -0 / +26) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. 133x Maidak (Trust: -56: -6 / +8) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. 108x Cryptology (Trust: 50: -0 / +5) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. 64x SilentSonicBoom (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. 64x Fakhoury (Trust: -4: -3 / +4) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. 48x defcon23 (Trust: -241: -8 / +15) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. 42x crypto-rainbow (Trust: -32: -5 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. 42x ahmedjadoon (Trust: -6: -3 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. 41x mindtrip (Trust: 0: -1 / +15) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. 40x Rub3n (Trust: -1: -2 / +3) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. 40x OgNasty (Trust: 21: -6 / +64) (DT1 (-2) 664 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. 38x vertoe (Trust: neutral) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. 35x LouReed (Trust: ???: -1 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. 35x canton (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (17 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. 35x bobsag3 (Trust: 90: -0 / +9) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. 34x kingcarsen (Trust: -4: -2 / +0) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. 34x augustocroppo (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. 31x ruggedman_dan (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. 29x klintay (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
.........
......... (see the full list)
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  3690. 0x Bommulunder (Trust: -4: -2 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  3691. 0x mrbanjo (Trust: neutral) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Full list
See http://loyce.club/trust/selfscratchers/ for the full list of all users who included someone on their custom Trust list.

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May 16, 2019, 09:19:14 AM
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Maybe it comes from data dump, but lovesmayfamilis unbanned yesterday, with "Banned from displaying signatures until May 14, 2020, 11:27:55 AM". Therefore, I think if you have time, you should manually edit a little bit for that user details in your list; or leave a note about it in OP. DT1 member lovesmayfamilis BAN
I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.
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May 16, 2019, 09:23:38 AM
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Maybe it comes from data dump, but lovesmayfamilis unbanned yesterday
I copied lines from last Saturday's Trust lists, but I'm aware of the unban. I've edited the OP, just not the full list.

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May 16, 2019, 09:49:37 AM
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How easy or otherwise would it be to calculate how many of those selfscratches are only included by that DT1 user in question, for the full list of DT1s, the same as you have done for Dabs?

The negative effects of Selfscratching could be mitigated by requiring 2 DT1 inclusions to be on DT2.
Seeing these data, I agree with this even more strongly than I did before. It's simply too much a conflict of interest for DT1 members to be able to artificially inflate their own trust scores so easily.

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May 16, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
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How easy or otherwise would it be to calculate how many of those selfscratches are only included by that DT1 user in question, for the full list of DT1s, the same as you have done for Dabs?
I did this by adding only one user to my alt's Trust list, so it's too much work to do.
There are also cases such as Lafu (DT1), who's "Selfscratched users" didn't make it to DT2 because of DT1 exclusions.



One of those times when I don't rank #1. I don't like it, can't be used as a weapon against me. Cry
That's easy to fix, just include* those users who left you positive feedback, and you'll be #1 on the DT1-list:
    1. Staff gmaxwell (Trust: 140: -0 / +14) (1231 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
    2. Legendary phantastisch (Trust: 119: -0 / +12) (241 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
    3. Donator qwk (Trust: 130: -0 / +15) (1043 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
    4. Sr. Member Elder III (Trust: 8: -0 / +1) (20 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
    5. Hero Member Chang Hum (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    6. Legendary CoinHoarder (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (24 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
    7. Legendary subSTRATA (Trust: 29: -0 / +3) (33 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
    8. Hero Member No_2 (Trust: 50: -0 / +5) (6 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
    9. Legendary miffman (Trust: 220: -0 / +22) (5 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
   10. Legendary alexrossi (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (48 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
   11. Member jae480 (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
   12. Legendary TMAN (Trust: 238: -0 / +26) (917 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
   13. Hero Member zengryT (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (BPIP)
   14. Member yoshiyoshi (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (BPIP)
   15. Legendary Mitchell (Trust: 370: -0 / +37) (248 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
   16. Legendary Blazed (Trust: 618: -0 / +62) (93 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
   17. Hero Member aTriz (Trust: -6: -4 / +10) (164 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
   18. Legendary btcton (Trust: neutral) (7 Merit earned (history)) (BPIP)
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I took the liberty of translating your topic into Russian:
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I took the liberty of translating your topic into Russian:
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What does the 42x mean next to dabs?

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He currently has +42 positive DT-feedbacks, and if I exclude him to see the difference (don't test this on a DT1-account!), he has only +7 left.
I think this change is the main indicator of probable abuse by DT1 members.

Besides requiring more than one DT1 user to add someone as DT2, this suggestion of mine could solve this potential abuse:
If a DT2 member is added only by one DT1 user and the former left positive trust to the later then it should not appear as trusted on the DT1's profile.

So in practice the DT1's default trust should not be affected by changes made by that DT1 user to their trust list.



What does the 42x mean next to dabs?
If I understood it correctly it means he's added 42 users who have left positive trust to him, regardless of whether other DT1 users have added them too.
In dabs' particular case it seems almost all of them became DT2 only because of him.


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nearly 100% of deals conducted between those in the list are conducted without escrow - the level of trust there is fucking strong
Trusting someone is not reason enough to add them to the trust list (despite the name).
We must add people to the trust list if we think the feedback left by those users is useful and fair. And it must be useful for most if we're DT1.

If someone is extremely trustworthy then they must have dark green trust but not necessarily be on other people's trust list, unless they also leave proper, useful feedback.

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Trusting someone is not reason enough to add them to the trust list (despite the name).
We must add people to the trust list if we think the feedback left by those users is useful and fair. And it must be useful for most if we're DT1.

If someone is extremely trustworthy then they must have dark green trust but not necessarily be on other people's trust list, unless they also leave proper, useful feedback.
You can write that in public another 10 000 times, it's pointless. How many people did you PM about it and how many did listen to you? Here's a hint: They won't remove the inclusions because "friends". Circular ad naseum won't get us anywhere; either theymos changes it up a bit or very strong trust will remain a reason for inclusion for many.

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May 16, 2019, 03:15:21 PM
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Trusting someone is not reason enough to add them to the trust list (despite the name).
We must add people to the trust list if we think the feedback left by those users is useful and fair. And it must be useful for most if we're DT1.

If someone is extremely trustworthy then they must have dark green trust but not necessarily be on other people's trust list, unless they also leave proper, useful feedback.
You can write that in public another 10 000 times, it's pointless. How many people did you PM about it and how many did listen to you? Here's a hint: They won't remove the inclusions because "friends". Circular ad naseum won't get us anywhere; either theymos changes it up a bit or very strong trust will remain a reason for inclusion for many.
I'm sure there are people who honestly don't know the difference, so posting it does help. I've PM'd dabs and will exclude him if he doesn't fix his list. I hope others do too.

But I agree theymos must change something, either requiring more than one DT1 inclusion to make someone DT2, or ignoring inclusions made by X when calculating X's trust. He should also make sure at least DT1 users know how things work, either by adding clearer messages next to the trust list or by PM'ing every DT1 users as soon as they become DT1.

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What does the 42x mean next to dabs?
If I understood it correctly it means he's added 42 users who have left positive trust to him, regardless of whether other DT1 users have added them too.
Lol, I think I forgot to explain the main part, I thought it was obvious. EcuaMobi is correct: the bold number shows how many users have left positive feedback and are included on the user's trust list. I've added this to the OP.

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nearly 100% of deals conducted between those in the list are conducted without escrow - the level of trust there is fucking strong
Trusting someone is not reason enough to add them to the trust list (despite the name).
We must add people to the trust list if we think the feedback left by those users is useful and fair. And it must be useful for most if we're DT1.

If someone is extremely trustworthy then they must have dark green trust but not necessarily be on other people's trust list, unless they also leave proper, useful feedback.

No bud, we are talking about trust not trust-lists, people interact quite closely and get to know each others judgement in that section, I am in numerous Slack, discord and telegram rooms and that is why some people I have transacted with I also have on my trust and others I do not.  I would trust a few people who have positives from me with all my bitcoin but I don't necessarily trust them with DT.

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No bud, we are talking about trust not trust-lists, people interact quite closely and get to know each others judgement in that section, I am in numerous Slack, discord and telegram rooms and that is why some people I have transacted with I also have on my trust and others I do not.
Yes trust list, that's the main part of this: trust, trust list and how they are different.

If someone you trust very much left trust only to you and almost nobody else then it doesn't make sense to add them to your trust list. Even if you also trust their judgment it wouldn't be useful for the forum to add them as DT2 if they haven't left feedback to too many people besides you.
I'm not saying you're abusing, I haven't checked your trust list and even less so the behavior of those people. I'm just pointing out how the trust list works and how trust is not the same as trust list.

I would trust a few people who have positives from me with all my bitcoin but I don't necessarily trust them with DT.
Yes. Exactly. This makes me think we mostly agree and are just having problems with the terms we use.


Edit:

How easy or otherwise would it be to calculate how many of those selfscratches are only included by that DT1 user in question, for the full list of DT1s, the same as you have done for Dabs?
I did this by adding only one user to my alt's Trust list, so it's too much work to do.
There are also cases such as Lafu (DT1), who's "Selfscratched users" didn't make it to DT2 because of DT1 exclusions.
I've created this list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144068.0

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