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May 21, 2019, 10:39:57 AM
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Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
The question is, how come dudes with an outstanding reputation like them did plagiarism?

About the signature campaign, I think this mass ban only remove a small percentage of participants. I doubt it will affect the forum's dynamic since managers could quickly get new campaign participants.

Not everyone starts out with an outstanding reputation. Some people obviously made a silly mistake a long time ago and some people can change their ways and become a productive member of the community. You could compare it to stealing a chocolate bar when you were a kid. Does that make you a thief for life and should it follow you around forever? Well if you keep on stealing then sure, but for others who change their ways and learn from their mistakes should be given a second chance. 

For some of these old timers that are getting banned I wonder if these people have bought these accounts that were farmed via spamming/copy and pasting? I doubt someone would forget that they've done this in the past, or maybe they're just playing dumb. It's very surprising how many users have done it and even more so for how long they got away with it.

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May 21, 2019, 12:36:19 PM
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I’m more concerned about you being a manager if you think that copy pasta is acceptable. So what if it was years ago the cunts should of read the rules

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May 21, 2019, 02:02:20 PM
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Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
The question is, how come dudes with an outstanding reputation like them did plagiarism?

I am not certain which kind of plagiarism it was in the case of cellard. If plagiarism was not for monetary gaining (Imagine no signature campaign here), I guess no much soaring would be here, a least not like as of now. this outstanding reputed dude probably tried to help someone with the information from the internet, forget or didn't care much to add a reference link. I reckon dude would never say it's my opinion or my original works. It can be seen as a silly mistake.

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May 21, 2019, 03:38:06 PM
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I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list because they copypasted something years ago and it seems they cannot join again for a year. Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters.
I don't know why a Campaign Manager would hide under the cloak of anonymity to make a complaint/point by resulting to an alt account. It would be great if you posted with your main account as a CM so the forum can regard this issue as serious.

Possibly, you're scared of getting a wedge?


Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
The banned members can still offer their Avatar spaces for rent once their 60 days ban is over. I don't think the signature ban affects that as I can still see their avatars on.

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May 21, 2019, 06:20:58 PM
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For some of these old timers that are getting banned I wonder if these people have bought these accounts that were farmed via spamming/copy and pasting? I doubt someone would forget that they've done this in the past, or maybe they're just playing dumb. It's very surprising how many users have done it and even more so for how long they got away with it.
If this is true and those currently using the accounts are going to be held to account for the plagiarism of the farmer, we might as well ban account sales, even if you can’t prevent all of them. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone to check for plagiarism when they buy an account, or even know how to effectively check. This way if someone is banned for plagiarism the farmer did, there wouldn’t be an injustice because they should have been banned for using the purchased account anyway (or the purchased account should have been locked).

I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.

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May 21, 2019, 06:32:07 PM
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If this is true and those currently using the accounts are going to be held to account for the plagiarism of the farmer, we might as well ban account sales, even if you can’t prevent all of them. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone to check for plagiarism when they buy an account, or even know how to effectively check. This way if someone is banned for plagiarism the farmer did, there wouldn’t be an injustice because they should have been banned for using the purchased account anyway (or the purchased account should have been locked).

I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.


While I'm not opposed to account sales being banned. This line of thought might become peoples next attempt at a get out of Jail free card. Even if they were banned moving forward it wouldn't change where we are now in dealing with these past infractions. They bough the account and if they weren't going to do their part to ensure the reputation they were buying was clean they can deal with the consequences of it. See it can go both ways, they bough the account and rank for the benefits, they can deal with the negatives as well, I don't see an injustice here. Buyer beware and whatnot.

On that note, seeing as these appeals can be made to Moderators, they can admit to their account being a bought account without further repercussions, such as negative feedback depending on when it was purchased. In case they bought it after it became an unacceptable practice, as it's still allowed based on forum guidelines.

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May 21, 2019, 06:39:34 PM
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I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list because they copypasted something years ago and it seems they cannot join again for a year. Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters.
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Why will they be given such privilege to rent out their avatar space? these categories of members shouldn't be given any right to that becasue they will indulge in the same act, it should be free post from them without pay period.    

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May 21, 2019, 06:47:39 PM
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If this is true and those currently using the accounts are going to be held to account for the plagiarism of the farmer, we might as well ban account sales, even if you can’t prevent all of them. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone to check for plagiarism when they buy an account, or even know how to effectively check. This way if someone is banned for plagiarism the farmer did, there wouldn’t be an injustice because they should have been banned for using the purchased account anyway (or the purchased account should have been locked).

I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.


While I'm not opposed to account sales being banned. This line of thought might become peoples next attempt at a get out of Jail free card. Even if they were banned moving forward it wouldn't change where we are now in dealing with these past infractions. They bough the account and if they weren't going to do their part to ensure the reputation they were buying was clean they can deal with the consequences of it. See it can go both ways, they bough the account and rank for the benefits, they can deal with the negatives as well, I don't see an injustice here. Buyer beware and whatnot.

On that note, seeing as these appeals can be made to Moderators, they can admit to their account being a bought account without further repercussions, such as negative feedback depending on when it was purchased. In case they bought it after it became an unacceptable practice, as it's still allowed based on forum guidelines.

Well some of the plagiarism was done well before plagiarism was (known to be) a problem. When I was in the business years ago, I never would have thought to check for plagiarism, and I don’t believe anyone ever asked me about plagiarism when buying an account from me.

I think it should be easy to detect if an account was sold a long time ago based on IP evidence and password changes. I don’t think many people would think to fake an account sale that would be apparent to the admins to evade plagiarism from years ago, as IMO those plagiarizing thought it would go unnoticed indefinitely. 

Ideally we can get the plagiarism problem under control so that all prior plagiarism is found and punished as appropriate and future plagiarism is quickly uncovered.

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May 21, 2019, 11:57:12 PM
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Plagiarism has been an issue roaming around the forum affecting almost everyone plagiarized their threads when they were newbies/brand new members. Unfortunately, it affected also the quality and experienced members that is why there are lots of ban appeals in this section right now. But bear this in mind: with the number of people joining this forum everyday, there will never be a shortage of good posters and quality members.


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Competitive campaigns are hard to join, so it is obviosly that accepted applicants are really good posters. However, it does not mean that forum only have them are good posters, there are so many more good posters that rejected with their applicants due to a little bit less high quality than accepted users, but they are still good posters whom readily to take over open slots from banned users. Good thing is most of good posters whom got banned likely will get reduced sentence and will come back. It takes years for them to be able to join campaign again, but it is not too long to come back and contribute to forum via their posts after temporary bans passed.

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