Google suspends Huawei's Android support

[IIV]

This is a big deal for both Huawei, Google and the entire market of smartphone.
Huawei won't get android updates and most of the google apps. This would force it to leave Android platform and seek for something else.
This would essentially destroy the current market of Huawei and it's currently the 2nd largest smartphone producer.
This is a new form of trade war that is going to have a longer impact on how we shape the future of our earth.
What type of consequences do you believes such action bring in in the short and long run?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48330310

https://mashable.com/article/huawei-google-android-license-revoked/

[squatz1]

Some key information that I found from looking into the topic a bit more deeply.

Huawei will immediately lose access to updates to the Android operating system, and the next version of its smartphones outside of China will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app.
Google will stop providing any technical support and collaboration for Android and Google services to Huawei going forward.

I think this is without a DOUBT a death sentence for Huawei phones (outside of China) they're going to be unable to compete without the play store as people do love the app store and the play store and aren't going to want to adjust to an entirely different app store. I guess they're going to have to dedicate a large deal of money and time in creating a new store. Ouch.

[PrimeNumber7]

Huawei is widely believed to be an arm of the Chinese Government by Western/Five Eyes intelligence agencies, although Huawei and the Chinese Government both deny this. It is believed that Huawei equipment contains "backdoors" that the Chinese Government can use to either disable the equipment in the future (cutting off communications), or actually transmit (and/or leak) sensitive information.

In general, this should be considered a good thing.

If the above is true, Huawei will continue to operate with government support, although much less people will buy their phones. Huawei still has access to the open source version of Android.

A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna. 

[Mr. Tom]

So we will just see two superpower developing two different technologies and normal users have a choice of deciding whom would they send their private data to.

[darklus123]

Huawei is widely believed to be an arm of the Chinese Government by Western/Five Eyes intelligence agencies, although Huawei and the Chinese Government both deny this. It is believed that Huawei equipment contains "backdoors" that the Chinese Government can use to either disable the equipment in the future (cutting off communications), or actually transmit (and/or leak) sensitive information.

In general, this should be considered a good thing.

If the above is true, Huawei will continue to operate with government support, although much less people will buy their phones. Huawei still has access to the open source version of Android.

A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna.  

They indeed are, there are conspiracy theory before that they've been getting personal information through their smartphones. This can really be the war that some of us are talking about. I am actually more afraid on how this tech giant worked than google.

I am pretty sure that the Chinese government will eventually boycott some of it's product as well and in worse cases they will no longer support manufacturing products from US. This can then be too bad for Iphone business of US as well. Guess what the Chinese government will surely use the CIA for that lol

But guess what the Huaweii team are actually prepared for this situation

Huawei has said it has spent the last few years preparing a contingency plan by developing its own technology in case it is blocked from using Android. Some of this technology is already being used in products sold in China, the company has said.

The impact is expected to be minimal in the Chinese market. Most Google mobile apps are banned in China, where alternatives are offered by domestic competitors such as Tencent and Baidu.

Huawei’s European business, its second-biggest market, could be hit as Huawei licenses these services from Google in Europe.

Source: https://news.tv5.com.ph/breaking/read/after-trump-blacklist-google-suspends-some-business-with-huawei-source?fbclid=IwAR2Mf40OTWDYPxlzpnEku1q-wYlmiHs9dTz8X3iAP_JAHCajbLuK7G05X-0

[tvbcof]

So we will just see two superpower developing two different technologies and normal users have a choice of deciding whom would they send their private data to.

Yes, no, sort of.

As an American I would choose and a Huawei phone because I am probably not of great interest to the Chi-coms although they probably trade my data to the 5-eyes anyway.  I ended up getting an ASUS as my Asia phone since there a lot of a lot of images created for it.  Nice phone actually.  I like it!

I suspect that Israel has all the data of both the 5-eyes and of the Chi-coms.  They give the Chi-coms U.S. military technology in exchange for whatever they want in return, and 'full take' on every citizen in the world is important for their future aspirations.

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If Huawai wanted to screw the 5-eyes they could fork android (or do a better OS) and release real, audited, open hardware for the world (outside of China of course...no way they'll let their own citizens have anything like freedom.)  I, for one, would use such hardware no matter what the cost.  Almost certainly no phone will ever be allowed to work in the U.S. (empire's holdings) which doesn't have 5-eyes backdoors, and certainly not if it lacks Israeli ones.

[blockman]

I've been looking for this topic, great that we already have.

There's an update that's related to Huawei ban, three more companies joins the ban. Broadcom is included in the article.

(https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18632075/intel-qualcomm-huawei-ban-us-chipmakers-report)

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Why is it Ok when it's not even a secret that the US Government has been in bed with  Google, Microsoft, Intel and the Qualcomms for many years? Other nations don't even make a big deal out of it but just mere romours of China and Huawei end up causing quite a stir.

Very silly move IMO from both the Orange man and Google

[Spendulus]

Huawei is widely believed to be an arm of the Chinese Government by Western/Five Eyes intelligence agencies, although Huawei and the Chinese Government both deny this. ,,,,

A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna.  

People need to learn that one cannot believe claims made by government agencies and large corporations.

These prey on the gullible.

Claims must be accompanied by proof, or else be disregarded. And for a phone with firmware and an operating system, such a claim can only be validated for one firmware version coupled with a specific operating system version.

[darklus123]

If Huawai wanted to screw the 5-eyes they could fork android (or do a better OS) and release real, audited, open hardware for the world (outside of China of course...no way they'll let their own citizens have anything like freedom.)  I, for one, would use such hardware no matter what the cost.  Almost certainly no phone will ever be allowed to work in the U.S. (empire's holdings) which doesn't have 5-eyes backdoors, and certainly not if it lacks Israeli ones.

Actually they do. The Huaweii management knew that this is going to happened therefore they've already have they Plan B and that is to create their own operating system.
https://www.businessinsider.com/huawei-has-developed-android-windows-os-replacements-2019-3?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=mobile&referrer=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3AnJOzmCI04rIfeDAUchv_TIsP8_ukmavrML7VvdGfKPJXZ3LFLEW7EII

The question here is that can that certain OS they are trying to make is enough and will the masses outside china is going to accept it? cause I am pretty sure that in this situation Google still have the dominance.

[PrimeNumber7]

Huawei is widely believed to be an arm of the Chinese Government by Western/Five Eyes intelligence agencies, although Huawei and the Chinese Government both deny this. ,,,,

A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna. 

People need to learn that one cannot believe claims made by government agencies and large corporations.

These prey on the gullible.

Claims must be accompanied by proof, or else be disregarded. And for a phone with firmware and an operating system, such a claim can only be validated for one firmware version coupled with a specific operating system version.

When someone denies an allegation that is disparaging, it is fair to note the denial when discussing the allegation.

Multiple and separate governments claim that they are an arm of the Chinese Government, and a number of elected officials have echoed this. The Chinese government also has a history of subsidizing Chinese companies and of engaging in cyber espionage, and of stealing IP from western companies. All of this taken together makes me believe that Huawei is in fact part of the Chinese Government.

[yeosaga]

Huawei is widely believed to be an arm of the Chinese Government by Western/Five Eyes intelligence agencies, although Huawei and the Chinese Government both deny this. ,,,,

A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna.  

People need to learn that one cannot believe claims made by government agencies and large corporations.

These prey on the gullible.

Claims must be accompanied by proof, or else be disregarded. And for a phone with firmware and an operating system, such a claim can only be validated for one firmware version coupled with a specific operating system version.

The trend that people are guilty until proven innocent will never catch on fully, but it is amazing to me seeing how many want to give some humans control over others, even in the digital world. That is why we elect people to begin with. They are on public display, so anything they are doing is being seen/heard. If what they are doing is negative, then society can judge them and hold them accountable. Except now everyone has to trust the word of one large corporation over another. Who will intervene to find the truth, and can everyone trust the 3rd party that gets involved?

[tvbcof]

If Huawai wanted to screw the 5-eyes they could fork android (or do a better OS) and release real, audited, open hardware for the world (outside of China of course...no way they'll let their own citizens have anything like freedom.)  I, for one, would use such hardware no matter what the cost.  Almost certainly no phone will ever be allowed to work in the U.S. (empire's holdings) which doesn't have 5-eyes backdoors, and certainly not if it lacks Israeli ones.

Actually they do. The Huaweii management knew that this is going to happened therefore they've already have they Plan B and that is to create their own operating system.
https://www.businessinsider.com/huawei-has-developed-android-windows-os-replacements-2019-3?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=mobile&referrer=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3AnJOzmCI04rIfeDAUchv_TIsP8_ukmavrML7VvdGfKPJXZ3LFLEW7EII

The question here is that can that certain OS they are trying to make is enough and will the masses outside china is going to accept it? cause I am pretty sure that in this situation Google still have the dominance.

The main OS is not really much of a factor.  The various firmware in these devices is what makes them insecure and is the primary attack vector these days.  Memory gets stolen without android, for instance, ever knowing about it.

Of course Huawei does the bidding of the government of China, and that government wants 'full take' on it's citizens.  China's internal population is the biggest security threat to the CCP and defense against this threat get a majority of the defense spending.  U.S. would probably be the same if our empire didn't have so many overseas holdings to maintain.  So, hope that Huawei would engage in a general project which fostered privacy is probably a pipe dream.  If they did there would be a danger that Chinese citizens themselves might get a hold of it!

What Huawei could possibly do would be to put into the public domain some obsolete platform and hope that it is supported by the security community.  They can still outlaw it's use within China, and if it is used externally where the 5-eyes dominate it fucks over their adversaries to a degree.  I don't hold out much hope for this though.

[DireWolfM14]

So we will just see two superpower developing two different technologies and normal users have a choice of deciding whom would they send their private data to.

Wrong.  We'll have one super power developing technologies, another super power attempting to steal that technology to use for consolidation of power, and we really don't get to chose who has access to our personal information.

[Spendulus]

Huawei is widely believed to be an arm of the Chinese Government by Western/Five Eyes intelligence agencies, although Huawei and the Chinese Government both deny this. ,,,,

A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna.  

People need to learn that one cannot believe claims made by government agencies and large corporations.

These prey on the gullible.

Claims must be accompanied by proof, or else be disregarded. And for a phone with firmware and an operating system, such a claim can only be validated for one firmware version coupled with a specific operating system version.

The trend that people are guilty until proven innocent will never catch on fully...

That is not the issue here. Here it is protection or abuse of one's personal data.

Let me draw a parallel.

You are contracting for a building, a 20 story building. The contractor says, "Don't worry, everything we build is earthquake proof."

There is no such thing as belief. Show the tests done, show the actual work that proves the statement.

[sheenshane]

This topic is one of the hottest topics we have here in our country since Huawei was getting praised and were chosen by our people instead of another smartphone available in the market. It is because HUAWEI was able to give all the options a smart could have at a cheaper price.

I actually tried to research and analyze why did the U.S government ban the company from any deals and business in the country. However, there are some ideas I had in mind why.

In order for a company to be escalated from the Whitehouse, the company should have enough reason to be escalated. Such as being a threat to the economy, safety and security of the users and also and oligarchy movement. Ain't know really understand why. But maybe this is one of the moves the U.S will regret soon.

I am hoping that HUAWEI will be supported by the richest people and institutions from China to pursue their global business. They have the potential and this is their moment, as well.

[tvbcof]

People need to learn that one cannot believe claims made by government agencies and large corporations.

These prey on the gullible.

Claims must be accompanied by proof, or else be disregarded. And for a phone with firmware and an operating system, such a claim can only be validated for one firmware version coupled with a specific operating system version.

What do you mean by 'validated'.

I'm not aware of any vendor who open-sources very much of their hardware of firmware and who supports audits.  Or at least public audits.  Likely audits are sometimes negotiated, and I'm guessing that such negotiations are at the core of this problem.  Far to complex and 'sensitive' to be reported in any mainstream new stories though.  A person will probably end up with a better analysis by not even bothering to read the headlines and just guess.

Ya, is it true about Huawie?
I read that news on facebook this morning, I thought its a fake news

Hard to know exactly what is going on.

My guess is that Huawei wouldn't install the backdoors that the U.S./Israel wanted, and they are keeping the Chi-com backdoors hidden and locked.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I didn't know it has gotten this far. Last I heard of this they arrested the CFO. China has recently retaliated though by "arresting" 2 Canadians men they've already held in detention anyway. This woman is lucky she just got house arrest.

But guess what the Huaweii team are actually prepared for this situation

Huawei has said it has spent the last few years preparing a contingency plan by developing its own technology in case it is blocked from using Android. Some of this technology is already being used in products sold in China, the company has said.

The impact is expected to be minimal in the Chinese market. Most Google mobile apps are banned in China, where alternatives are offered by domestic competitors such as Tencent and Baidu.

Huawei’s European business, its second-biggest market, could be hit as Huawei licenses these services from Google in Europe.

Would Huawei be able to rely on domestic sales in China alone though? I know these phones are supposed to usually last shorter than an iPhone but there also other domestic brands in China it have to compete with.

Maybe this would force them to focus on Asia.

[r1a2y3m4]

Wtf? Now huawei will only use an open source code of android? It's like you are using windows before but now,  you're stuck with linux. This will definitely affects the market for smartphones. I like huawei, its stability is that good, camera, specs and etc. But having delays on updating the system, and you can't download now latest games on google play since it's updating. Is this the end for huawei?

[Spendulus]

People need to learn that one cannot believe claims made by government agencies and large corporations.

These prey on the gullible.

Claims must be accompanied by proof, or else be disregarded. And for a phone with firmware and an operating system, such a claim can only be validated for one firmware version coupled with a specific operating system version.

What do you mean by 'validated'.

You've probably already guessed it. I mean the whole thing, validation that your/my data remains private, which means a system designed from the ground up to provide individuals with private keys, end-to-end encryption with others capable of decoding the comm, no apps capable of stealing data.

I could go on, but I know you get it.

This is the ONLY WAY that a claim can be proved validated, so this is what's required.

Otherwise, a claim or promise cannot and should not be believed.

There may be another way, which would be for a company to back their "Promises" with a money bond of high dollar amount. Then if a user could show they'd abused their trust, they'd have to pay. That would perhaps affect company behavior, but it wouldn't affect governments.