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Question: What is the best way to crowdfund nowadays?
ICO - 2 (28.6%)
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Author Topic: ICO or STO or SAFT? What's the safest bet?  (Read 459 times)
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May 20, 2019, 10:29:57 AM
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It seems people nowadays don't even get themselves into ICO's anymore because of the lack of hype and shady projects surfacing. Now there is always something new under the table like STOs, or ILP's, and now SAFTs. Giant companies like Bitmain and Telegram used IPOs to raise funds, Kodak used a SAFT, and other large blockchain based businesses used ICOs. What is the safest bet and how can you guarantee a positive ROI going thru these crowdfunding platforms? I have a hat that says 'Make ICO's Great Again' even tho that's definitely not possible.

"With an ICO the founders of a crypto startup could raise money without diluting their own shares in the company.

The problem with ICOs is that literally anyone with a whitepaper, a slick-looking website, and an idea could launch one and begin raising funds.

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by ICO advisory firm States Group concluded that around 80 percent of ICOs carried out in 2017 were complete scams.

Throw in confusion over governmental regulation, with regulators themselves admitting that ICOs can begin life as a security and transform into another asset type down the line, and it’s easy to see why the ICO craze has quickly dropped off."

Sub-question: whatever crowdfunding idea you voted for, why did you vote for it?


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May 20, 2019, 11:32:20 PM
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First time I hear about SAFT. This must be something new. In fact, developments on this issue continue without stopping. IEO is also new in this regard. How everyone affected by binance in the bear market by means of IEO, everyone is looking for it.
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May 20, 2019, 11:44:04 PM
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So are you looking for safe or for ROI? price rise in this market is affected by hype and rumor, so anything that have it will have good return.
Safe project if they are already established good company looking for expanding their company, as good idea alone can't guarantee

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May 20, 2019, 11:49:21 PM
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I only know about the ICO, IPO and IEO but the rest is new to me. Crowdfunding is not new anymore, its already here in the market for a decade or more now and some project succeed on that. There’s no safest thing to do that, all have their own risk and there are times that investors don’t want the project. I will go for these three because i already experience their success.

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May 21, 2019, 12:20:38 AM
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I think many of these new methods of raising money by issuing tokens are lulling investors into a false sense of security. While the switch away from ICO's may eliminate one of the most egregious types of fraud. Namely using a fake identity and then running away with the money, it will do nothing to prevent fraudster like Andrew MacDonald from perpetrating a longer exit scam.

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May 21, 2019, 01:13:43 AM
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It really depends on the project and team rather the how they are collecting the money and what they are offering.
Of course a regulated project would be much safer than anonymous ones. If a project is licensed and legitimate, there's no problem for the team to come in person and interact with the investors and share their experience and what they are willing to achieve with the raised funds.
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May 21, 2019, 01:20:44 AM
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I don't know if it's listed but I think airdrops are possibly the best idea, because projects that amass large amounts of money via token offerings tend to squander their cash. Projects that are developed based on pure enthusiasm from a developer or team of developers are more likely to succeed. That's how bitcoin and some other cryptocurrencies came about.
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May 21, 2019, 01:23:49 AM
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One token is issued as a security and it is owned and represents the performance of the company and you can even get dividends.  Works very much like a stock.  The others are just usage of the network and sold to users once the network is live.  STOs are the way to go moving forward.  
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May 21, 2019, 02:52:36 AM
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Seriously whatever terminologies we use to conduct a crowdsale it wouldn't change the fact that people already lose trust to it and whatever hype they made they'll just end up shitty afterwards.

I'd rather to buy more bitcoin or at least bet on gambling sites even it have slim chances of profit but at least I made fun and enjoyed. Not a hater of ICO but I'm just being realistic and practical.  Grin

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May 21, 2019, 03:31:28 AM
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If a company choose a STO instead of a IPO for a securities offering, then they have a better exposure when compared to an IPO. Therefore, STOs are better from the point of the company as they have a higher chance to become successful in fund raising.

I don't know much about SAFT, what I know is that SAFT is a non-debt financial instrument that can be converted into equities in a later date and the investor looses his money if the start up fails. Therefore, I think there is no considerable difference between SAFT and typical ICO.

For the customer/investor any of these types is risky. However, if it is a regulated offering, the risk is less when compared to unregulated offerings specially typical ICOs. Therefore, if the investor wants to invest in a less risky investment opportunity, IPOs are still better than other types. STOs also a type that would be interesting with better legislation in the future.



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May 21, 2019, 03:55:22 AM
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I just recommend IEO since IEO is the most safest way to invest in the cryptocurrency world. You can guarantee your profit there.
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May 21, 2019, 04:01:16 AM
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I cant say STO are guaranteed ROI but just a conservative way on raising funds and handling asset. What is the difference on ICO? if the tokens will be traded also on same exchange like other utility token? Can anyone tell me if there is a security exchange already listing this STO projects. Probably they will also be listed om normal centralized exchange maybe the only difference is the approach and maybe they have a buy back program to stable the price of their tokens. But this is also manipulation, if you think of it.
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May 21, 2019, 04:53:11 AM
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As of now there is no reason to join ICO anymore unless they came from the Admin Himself, What I'm saying is even reputable Members are promoting some shady project thankfully the are tagged now like needmoney and others because they are the only members who promote scam project and the real ICO buried.

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May 21, 2019, 05:30:26 AM
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OP, would you like to add another choice like IEO? if you can and i will choose it as my safest bet on the speculating a new platform.
The ERA for SAFT and STO have already ended and both were getting only short hype but ICO and IEO still become the main bet right now.
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May 21, 2019, 05:46:44 AM
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SAFT?  A lot of names to call it but isn't it the same for asking funds?

I haven't participated any IEO but is it juat to list the token on the exchange and let the market pay the exchange while the team can dump what they have allocated for themselves or they get the funds from the exchange who act as escrow?


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May 21, 2019, 05:51:47 AM
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Never heard about SAFT and will want you to explain more in details. You didn't mention IEO or you don't know about it?. Currently, IEO a has been a huge success and many projects are moving to it so that's the best for me currently

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May 21, 2019, 06:28:19 AM
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I just recommend IEO since IEO is the most safest way to invest in the cryptocurrency world. You can guarantee your profit there.

Tell me, how many IEOs have you joined to even recommend it?

Guaranteed? Don't ever say such word in the world of cryptocurrency or other types of investments.
Do you have any data of how many IEOs were completed? Have you seen the price of the token/coin immediately after IEO?
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May 21, 2019, 06:57:33 AM
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There's no "safest bet".All crypto related projects come with a very high risk.Just don't think that you could make any money from crypto startups.Just put your money in them (a really small amount) because you like idea behind the project,not because you want to make a ROI.
IPOs are more regulated and expensive(in order to protect the investors),that's why only big companies can afford listing an IPO.

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May 21, 2019, 07:18:53 AM
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NONE OF THEM!

you are already using the correct term ("bet") in your title but i think it was unintentional. ICOs and all the alternatives are a gamble not an investment and should be treated as such. if you start having delusions about them, then you start losing money.

and remember that it is not about being "scam" or not. so when you quoted that article, you shouldn't misunderstand it. it says 80% of them were scams but it does NO mean the 20% were "good investments". 100% of ICOs and alternatives are bad investments whether they are obvious scams or not.

Weak hands have been complaining about missing out ever since bitcoin was $1 and never buy the dip.
Whales are those who keep buying the dip.
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May 21, 2019, 08:08:57 AM
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So are you looking for safe or for ROI? price rise in this market is affected by hype and rumor, so anything that have it will have good return.
Safe project if they are already established good company looking for expanding their company, as good idea alone can't guarantee
It's hard to say both. If I were looking for safe, I'd already look for an established company and invest in equity or their token. But for these new ones in regards to fundraising, a solid ROI would be nice- unless I truly believe in the project and I tend to stick around long term. Good profits have been made from ICOs but some people have gotten absolutely rekt.

On a side note... Bitconnect 2.0 coming out soon... Anyone all in?  Grin
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