@THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them

[suchmoon]

as simple as a database query.

Genius. Why has no one ever thought of that. And look at the high-profile perps we can find with "a database query":

EPL: Man City vs Man Utd 3:1
EPL: Newcastle vs Bournemouth 1:1
La Liga: Sevilla vs Espanyol 1:0
La Liga: Levante vs Real Sociedad 1:0
Bundesliga: Dortmund vs Bayern 2:0
Serie A: Milan vs Juventus 0:1

EPL: Man City vs Man Utd 3:1
EPL: Newcastle vs Bournemouth 1:1
La Liga: Sevilla vs Espanyol 1:0
La Liga: Levante vs Real Sociedad 1:0
Bundesliga: Dortmund vs Bayern 2:0
Serie A: Milan vs Juventus 0:1

Or perhaps it's not "as simple as a database query". But we can't expect an escrow scammer who got his ass whooped via NLP to know the difference.

The above would remove any question of someone being targeted because of something they said or their stance in a dispute.

Let's first remove the question of you beating your spouse.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

1. nutildah was claiming in 2014 that all members selling their accounts are facilitating scammers and are evil. In 2016 he sold or tried to sell his account (knowingly facilitating scammers) Some say lauda bought that account and later announced it was no longer for sale. This is unknown. Either way recently Lauda who knows all about this nutildah debacle said there is nothing we can say that will cause him to red tag the nutildah account (who would want to tag their own alt) or such a loyal ass feltcher.

The one below us all...... IMO nutildah is one of the real awesome members, have had great talks with him, I couldn't say anything bad about thaaa dude!!!

mic, don’t engage with this absolute weapon of a human being (if you can know hik/her that).
He/she has multiple alts & regularly trolls & spams Meta with dog shit moaning.

[The Cryptovator]

Now that same group (i guess suchmoon) digged into his history and found a plagiarism from before 2015 for which he got banned.

Likely you are missing something,

All of the recent cases are ~exactly like this, since this is what the bot looks for. (Thank you to the bot designer!)

Admin admitted there is Bot which is using for detect plagiarism. So it doesn't make sense to blame any specific users.

Anyone getting his account destroyed now even DT1 for speaking up against them ?

Does it mean admin/moderators are banning account who are talking against DT1? I don't think so.

The above would remove any question of someone being targeted because of something they said or their stance in a dispute.  

I am not agree with this point. There is few members got ban even they were silent about DT drama. They were active on scam accusation and just report scams. I don't think someone will target them.

[lobcmt2]

What's wrong with bill gator and his negative trust. They come from his account-bought history, that disclosed by himself in his ban appeal. Nothing more, nothing less with his negative feedback. Most of DT members tag bought accounts with negative feedback as far preventive method to reduce scam. There are very limited DT members tag such bought-accounts with neutral feedback. Additionally, bill gator actually received reduced sentence with his successful ban appeal. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=370611

[HCP]

He is now going to have those tags and his sig is gone likely for a long time. Even worse now every thread he starts will show a THIS THREAD IS STARTED BY A SCAMMER (thanks theymos ffs a dreadful and disgraceful implementation without ensuring only scammers have red tags)

OBSERVABLE FACT #1: The warning is only shown when the person viewing the thread is not logged in. Any user that is currently logged into the system does not see that warning.

Logged in:


Not Logged in:





OBSERVABLE FACT #2: It doesn't say "THIS THREAD IS STARTED BY A SCAMMER" at all... That is perhaps your (incorrect) interpretation of the warning, but in fact, that's not even close to what it says. What it actually says is:

Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they strongly believe that the creator of this topic is a scammer. (Login to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

Kindly stick to fact... and not your wild (and often incorrect) interpretation of reality.

#kthxbye

[actmyname]

You are wrong this time. Stop spinning this incident.

Bill Gator's copy and paste post got caught by a sweeping site-wide plagiarism bot. And then he made the fatal mistake of admitting he bought the account to say he didn't make the old post by the previous owner, how stupid. Thus all the old circumstantial evidence suddenly fits.

You are just as biased as the ones you are accusing of.

Never thought I'd merit "actisstupidname" but here we are.

And also i do not belive in coincidences.Its funny these coincidences of high ranked people getting banned always happen when speaking up against a specific group.

Chi and Lone Shark were banned for plagiarism. They also got unbanned... after much more hassle.

Who knows what happens behind the scenes. Perhaps the issue would not have been reported at all if he was part of the "gang" who runs this bot and how it it filtered seems currently unknown.

Anyone is able to create a similar bot and pore through profiles' post histories. What they choose to do with the information is different.

At the end of the day, it's another ban in the name of anti-plagiarism. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hear, hear!

Oh dear.
Resentment resides in residual recumbent renegades
End of days, they beckon, screeching at clandestine shades
Forsooth, godspeed, attentive of their creeds
Yet hypocritical drivel forces groveling at one's knees
A compendium of knowledge, basking in effervescence
Abandoned, unpursued by the reckless, digging more holes for vengeance

[TECSHARE]

Admin admitted there is Bot which is using for detect plagiarism. So it doesn't make sense to blame any specific users.

Just because there is a bot doesn't mean it wasn't directed by a specific user at a specific user.

[nutildah]

2 more DT1s have been banned for plagiarism in the last week, they never said peep about anybody:

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

The bot seems to be pretty agnostic about who it comes after. So far, well over a thousand members have been banned. Hard to say its selectively targeting people. Its more like a wave of mass extinction.

[lobcmt2]

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

We have three DT1 members banned within the banwave, bill gator, lovesmayfamilis, and WhiteManWhite. Interestingly to see their permanent bans all lifted and they received alternatives with temporary bans plus signature bans with different periods.
Only bill gator received additional unexpected thing, negative feedback due to his admission on his account buying in the past. Within the banwave and related discussion, I have read that the forum even has one moderator whom started years ago with bought account, so after significant contributions over long period, he or she became forum moderator. It's a big pleasure as well as recognition of forum on his or her contributions.

For bill gator, I think that he does not deserve negative feedback solely because he bought this account years ago. More importantly, since the day he bought this account, he made loads of contributions for the forum, rather than scammed others. There was nothing wrong with bill gator before his ban appeal released.

If admin or global moderator actually lifted permanent ban, it means bill gator net-effects recognised, so I think he deserves better things rather than suddenly rocketing negative trusts.
Edited:
I think bill gator investigation finished by theymos, now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)

This is part of why account trading is strongly discouraged. Usually we won't even consider this excuse, since only admins can properly investigate it, it takes too much time, it's often too ambiguous, and you really shouldn't be trading accounts anyway. But especially for very veteran members, we do occasionally look into these claims and reconsider the matter based on them. This isn't the first case like this: there are a surprising number of notable members who originally bought their accounts.

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.

This action may be controversial, and now I'll probably have everyone appealing based on "I bought the account from my neighbor!" (Which I'll nearly always reject...) But even though it is largely bill gator's fault, I just find it on the whole too unfair to treat him as though he did something when I'm looking at evidence showing that he didn't.

[TECSHARE]

2 more DT1s have been banned for plagiarism in the last week, they never said peep about anybody:

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

The bot seems to be pretty agnostic about who it comes after. So far, well over a thousand members have been banned. Hard to say its selectively targeting people. Its more like a wave of mass extinction.

Sure, but if you look at who is excluding them, funny there seems to be quite a bit of overlap with those excluding Bill Gator.

[nutildah]

2 more DT1s have been banned for plagiarism in the last week, they never said peep about anybody:

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

The bot seems to be pretty agnostic about who it comes after. So far, well over a thousand members have been banned. Hard to say its selectively targeting people. Its more like a wave of mass extinction.

Sure, but if you look at who is excluding them, funny there seems to be quite a bit of overlap with those excluding Bill Gator.

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot? That's the only DT1 who is excluding all 3 members. If you want to call 2/3 "quite a bit," well that's your interpretation.

I think its more likely that DT1s who engaged in plagiarism are getting banned. Though I think there should be a statute of limitation on this offense, especially for productive members, and thus far the moderators have been inclined to agree somewhat by giving these members temp bans instead of permabans.

[nc50lc]

-snip- created by an anime character.

Lol, I though no one will notice.
Just FYI, the only "Satoshi" from an anime I know has a surname "Tajiri" while our Satoshi might meant more than just a Japanese pseudo-name.
Satoshi means "Intelligent" and Nakamoto means "Central Origin".
Bitcoin was created during the world fame of that anime though (10+ years after the release in Japan), pff... coincidence.

And this is theymos: Toushou_Daimos (Daimos)

[Foxpup]

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

Damn! My cunning plan has been been exposed! I should have known I couldn't hide behind a pretence of cracking down on rule-breakers. How am I supposed to seize control of DT now?

[mikeywith]

Of course they are now justifying with it the red tags they are giving and destroying that account.

He is tagged because he bought the account which he admitted  - not because he plagiarized.

Anyhow, he is not banned anymore, and I think theymos was more than fair to him, he can probably defend himself now, in the right section (reputation)

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.

[tranthidung]

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bill gator even get his signature back, but he unfortunately received so many negative trust. Maybe bill gator is the first case that can simultaneously get signature back with permanent ban uplift.

[TECSHARE]

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

This seems to be one of your favorite games, speaking for me. I will speak for myself thanks. I am saying what I said, not what you imagine I said.

[Lauda]

I think bill gator investigation finished by theymos, now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)

There is nothing to be solved. Account buyer = permanent negative. He can start with a new account, just like some of us did.

[nutildah]

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

This seems to be one of your favorite games, speaking for me. I will speak for myself thanks. I am saying what I said, not what you imagine I said.

It was a question, a "yes" or "no" one at that.

One of the two answers would have sufficed, but you managed to invent a new answer, which was "cunty."

[TECSHARE]

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

This seems to be one of your favorite games, speaking for me. I will speak for myself thanks. I am saying what I said, not what you imagine I said.

It was a question, a "yes" or "no" one at that.

One of the two answers would have sufficed, but you managed to invent a new answer, which was "cunty."

So when did you stop beating your wife? I am just asking a question...

[nutildah]

So when did you stop beating your wife? I am just asking a question...

I find this to be incredibly off topic, but rather than reporting it to the mods, I'll just answer it: Never.

And not because I'm still beating her, but because I've never been married.