Someone is selling green rating (DT)

[r1s2g3]

I am wondering that how many user fell for it. I do not think those who got scammed  in name of merit selling and trust selling will be reporting about the scam.

[The Cryptovator]

I am wondering that how many user fell for it. I do not think those who got scammed  in name of merit selling and trust selling will be reporting about the scam.

No, they wouldn't expose themselves about this shady behaviour. Everyone know if they attempt to buy green trust and if its exposed then they will receive negative trust. So we can say this is a silent scam, nothing else.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Everyone can fabricate a fake deal, even the payment for this service can be used as a proof of transaction if needed. So it's not that easy to say that it's just scam. Announcing it on the forum can be quite tricky, tho. It will be easy to get him if you use developed alt account, coz I don't think he will send anything to newbies/jr.

[Patatas]

I am wondering that how many user fell for it. I do not think those who got scammed  in name of merit selling and trust selling will be reporting about the scam.

No, they wouldn't expose themselves about this shady behaviour. Everyone know if they attempt to buy green trust and if its exposed then they will receive negative trust. So we can say this is a silent scam, nothing else.

No, that's retarded. If someone got scammed by a member, they can always create a new fake account to report the scam? They don't have to reveal the account that was buying the service but can always report the seller. Getting a fake account tagged wouldn't make any difference to them.

[subSTRATA]

I am wondering that how many user fell for it. I do not think those who got scammed  in name of merit selling and trust selling will be reporting about the scam.

No, they wouldn't expose themselves about this shady behaviour. Everyone know if they attempt to buy green trust and if its exposed then they will receive negative trust. So we can say this is a silent scam, nothing else.

No, that's retarded. If someone got scammed by a member, they can always create a new fake account to report the scam? They don't have to reveal the account that was buying the service but can always report the seller. Getting a fake account tagged wouldn't make any difference to them.

if they were to present pms (or any other means of private communication) to prove a scam occurred, their identity would be revealed to the seller, who in turn could reveal the name of the buyer's account.

[Patatas]

I am wondering that how many user fell for it. I do not think those who got scammed  in name of merit selling and trust selling will be reporting about the scam.

No, they wouldn't expose themselves about this shady behaviour. Everyone know if they attempt to buy green trust and if its exposed then they will receive negative trust. So we can say this is a silent scam, nothing else.

No, that's retarded. If someone got scammed by a member, they can always create a new fake account to report the scam? They don't have to reveal the account that was buying the service but can always report the seller. Getting a fake account tagged wouldn't make any difference to them.

if they were to present pms (or any other means of private communication) to prove a scam occurred, their identity would be revealed to the seller, who in turn could reveal the name of the buyer's account.

True, but they don't have to present the PM's or the obvious screen-shots right? They can just say they got scammed by the particular service and other members must be careful before using it. I know the DT's and such will ask for the proofs but given the account's risk, I think a simple reference to the service thread should be enough.

[The Cryptovator]

True, but they don't have to present the PM's or the obvious screen-shots right? They can just say they got scammed by the particular service and other members must be careful before using it. I know the DT's and such will ask for the proofs but given the account's risk, I think a simple reference to the service thread should be enough.

Will you bother to take any action if there is ZERO proof? I don't think so. If some newbie claim verbally that they got scam then no one will believe if there is no minimum evidence. If buyer provide evidence like chat history or PM then will not seller expose original buyer? Then they will attack each other, that means seller and buyer both will be exposed. That's why I think still there is no any scam accusation. 

[TalkStar]

Whoever don't have positive trust they might try to catch him. Perhaps that scammer will not allow newbie account. Because he might know may be someone will create alt account to catch him. But still I believe this is just a scam attempt.

It really doesn't matter he is allowing newbies or anyone else but most concerning thing is that this guy is offering a service which is completely destructive for this community. Obviously its a scam trap for them who are expecting green trust in a easiest way. Its true that having green trust without valid reference doesn't make sense here but weight and symbol of green trust is enough for a user to commit fraudulent activity easily on bitcointalk. I believe most of the users rely on just green trust symbol blindly and that can make unrecoverable damages.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't. I'm half tempted to create an alt and try buying it but it's most likely a scam anyway.

This post is as far as I've read in this thread, but I looked at the reference one and I'd say it's 99.99% likely it's just some scammer making an offer to fleece some sucker desperate for green trust.

He quickly got negged to hell, but I added one more just to be a mean bastard.  Hopefully nobody actually falls for this and sends this dumb fuck any money.

[Patatas]

Will you bother to take any action if there is ZERO proof? I don't think so.

I can definitely tag the account in question and ask them to respond in the thread. Selling trust - A thread with that title calls for an instant negative trust anyway. Moreover, tagging the account doesn't help much as these scammers keep creating them after one is tagged.

If some newbie claim verbally that they got scam then no one will believe if there is no minimum evidence. If buyer provide evidence like chat history or PM then will not seller expose original buyer? Then they will attack each other, that means seller and buyer both will be exposed. That's why I think still there is no any scam accusation. 

Yeah but we are talking about someone selling green trust which doesn't need any additional proof except the created thread.

[TalkStar]

If buyer provide evidence like chat history or PM then will not seller expose original buyer? Then they will attack each other, that means seller and buyer both will be exposed. That's why I think still there is no any scam accusation.  

Opening scam trap and waiting for hunting is pretty much similar with exposed one. Difference is in first thing he is trying and on second one he completed his job successfully. Isn't it better to stop before its done completely? Prevention is always better than cure and its seems like that for this case IMO.

[The Cryptovator]

Yeah but we are talking about someone selling green trust which doesn't need any additional proof except the created thread.

Obviously seller will tagged instantly if open this kind of thread and got so many red tag as well. Never mind if he cheating or really selling. Trust seller can't be trusted anyhow. But it was just my suspicions, that seller just trying to scam peoples. Its just a scam attempt in my opinions. 

[coinlocket$]

At this point, he wrote another fake message:

Sold a Green trust to another user.
Feeling happy that,  i helped a deserving user.

P. S. Ignore the red trust here, these are the ones whobare jealous of me. 

by the way attention to the timezone, his day can be +12/-12 hours so it can be another day from ours.

[Quickseller]

I posted the below to his thread, which I found deleted this morning:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Daily customers can get a discount.

I cannot image how someone would possible need to get positive trust "daily"

Some people have looked into the claims that you have sold multiple positive ratings in one day, and the conclusion is, you are exaggerating the number of DT positive ratings you are giving.

I personally think you are entirely full of BS and do not have the ability to give "green trust" from a DT member at all.

I bet what he just did was troll all you guys and it worked marvelously..

Lol. This may well be part of what he is doing

[r1s2g3]

The real point is that in these cases this type of setup is used to extort money. Suppose user "A" has some reputable account and user "A" decided to contact with the scammer. Then scammer will save the proof and demand payment because scammer threaten to destroy the User "A" reputation with the proof.

In, second case, even if scammer do not threaten but you are already scammed and you will not show the proof that you are attempting to do something like this.

I understand that forum do not moderate scam but threads of Merit selling/Account selling/Trust selling should be trashed in this forum.

[unibitcoinist]

Thank you for bringing it up here.
This is certainly an abuse of the system. It must not be done.

But what about the green trust which is given for reasons like-

[bought a X, he sent me first, paid later]
[Escrowed for him]
[Sold a Y, he paid first]

How much weight does this feedback carry?
Aren't both almost same?

[LoyceV]

But what about the green trust which is given for reasons like-

[bought a X, he sent me first, paid later]
[Escrowed for him]
[Sold a Y, he paid first]

How much weight does this feedback carry?

It's up to the reader to decide how to value feedback. But indeed, instead of "buying" (with a almost certain risk of getting scammed) feedback for $40, doing an actual trade can be a much cheaper way to get green trust.

[o_e_l_e_o]

How much weight does this feedback carry?

As much weight as you decided it deserves.

There is no real way to quantify a degree of trust. A rating is either positive, neutral, or negative. Yes, there is the "risked bitcoin amount", but that is rarely accurate, difficult to verify, and common abused by people wanting to give their ratings more weight. There is no "mild positive" or "strong positive". Trusted and untrusted is simply a function of the design of the trust system, and you might find some untrusted feedback to be more helpful to you than some trusted feedback.

If you are seeing ratings you don't agree with, then it is a good time to think about starting to set up your own custom trust list.

[JaredKaragen]

I'm half tempted to create an alt and try buying it but it's most likely a scam anyway.

I was thinking it's almost sure to be a scam, but it would be fun to send an undercover newbie to entrap this shitbird.  If you decide to do it I'll split the fee with you, that way you're not taking on the whole burden of the more-than-likely scam.

The irony in doing this:  the person if they got the positive trust;  would deserve it for what they are doing....

But obviously its a scam, now hes -9999 trust, made me chuckle.

[unibitcoinist]

How much weight does this feedback carry?

As much weight as you decided it deserves.

There is no real way to quantify a degree of trust. A rating is either positive, neutral, or negative. Yes, there is the "risked bitcoin amount", but that is rarely accurate, difficult to verify, and common abused by people wanting to give their ratings more weight. There is no "mild positive" or "strong positive". Trusted and untrusted is simply a function of the design of the trust system, and you might find some untrusted feedback to be more helpful to you than some trusted feedback.

If you are seeing ratings you don't agree with, then it is a good time to think about starting to set up your own custom trust list.

Didn't expect you are so dumb, see what LoyceV said. That's what I was referring to.