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May 26, 2019, 03:14:42 PM
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No, but there is a difference between using a random picture or meme like in your example, and posting someone else's infographic without a source.

But they all can be categorize as image right? yes of course. so if you are to punish a user for posting a "infographic image without source" then you should punished those who post meme, and other images, picture etc without link to source too which just sounds funny to my hearing. Like I said before if this images have been edited, removing creators identification like watermark, name etc and posting it as theirs (i.e claiming ownership of the infographic image with their own name, watermark etc when posting), then we can consider those cases as plagiarism but for an infographic image like every other images just been shared I see no problem with that since such act doesnt present itself as claiming ownership of the infographic image as plagiarism posts does.

The creators of each infographic image should add a watermark to their image so we can easily identify who the owners are when we see them. But if they don't then don't blame the sharer for not linking a source, we shouldn't distract ourselves now, the crime here is plagiarized post/article these are what the shitposters are getting paid for not images.

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May 26, 2019, 04:09:19 PM
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Plagiarism.org Go to the site to learn more about plagiarism.
It is comprehensive contents, but is not relevant here. In the forum, we should notice that definitions, rules, and punishments on plagiarism are flexible, or some kind of a bit different from the official definition of plagiarism. theymos, actually has his own approach to treat forum users whom plagiarised. In my opinion, it is the most appropriate to read what theymos's statements on plagiarism in the forum, as well as global moderators or forum staffs on this issue.
So, why not visit my topic, and get them? (Maybe, I missed some of them, and have not fully collected all posts on plagiarism made by admins, global moderators, or staffs; but I think from what I already collected, it is good enough to have overview on plagiarsim in the forum).
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Beyond my topic, you can also get newest posts of theymos here: theymosisms - A collection of posts for reference
I know the forum rules for plagiarism - I didn't have anything to say about that. Theymos, mods can create their own rules for the forum. I also read your topic a few days ago.

What I wanted to point out by linking the link was about the DOs & Don'ts and how plagiarism work. Peoples need comprehensive content to learn something deeply to gain deep knowledge.

Let's say, someone plagiarized and got forum banned according to forum rule, but what if the original creator of the content also put a Lawsuit against the plagiarist?
So imo peoples should also know the punishments available for them outside the forum if found which can spoil anyone's life forever. Plagiarism/Copyright infringement is a fucking hell crime.

Frankly speaking, after knowing the punishment from plagiarism.org, now I can say Theymos/Mods punishment is nothing for the plagiarist. Though I was questioning a few days ago why so STRICT punishment.

That's what my previous post for.  Smiley
I'd be happy if you put the link in your topic so that newcomers can have deep knowledge about plagiarism.

 
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May 26, 2019, 04:34:05 PM
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The source is the link included in the "[img'][/img']" tags, don't be stupid and annoying. Thanks.

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May 26, 2019, 05:22:52 PM
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The source is the link included in the "[img'][/img']" tags, don't be stupid and annoying. Thanks.

Does that also apply if I download an image, upload it on imgur and copy the bbcode, will the source indicated be from my account or the original one?

In most cases the original source is not the actual source which makes it complicated to track down plagiarism or define it even.
If it's an infographic created by a member in the forum and posted here, it is courteous to reference the owner when using it here on the forum. But putting any strict punishment would have to cover a much wide scope and we'll have much more ban appeal discussions.

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May 27, 2019, 06:55:18 AM
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The source is the link included in the "[img'][/img']" tags, don't be stupid and annoying. Thanks.

Does that also apply if I download an image, upload it on imgur and copy the bbcode, will the source indicated be from my account or the original one?

In most cases the original source is not the actual source which makes it complicated to track down plagiarism or define it even.
If it's an infographic created by a member in the forum and posted here, it is courteous to reference the owner when using it here on the forum. But putting any strict punishment would have to cover a much wide scope and we'll have much more ban appeal discussions.
Who says you didn't find it on imgur to begin with? The link is the source. End of story.

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May 27, 2019, 08:46:09 AM
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If you copy an infographic without any credit, then that seems to be a clear case of plagiarism. The same applies to images, although many images have been released into the public domain. Even if an image contains a water mark, you should still check to see if its use is allowed. Cutting out a watermark can create a plagiarism accusation.

I created a couple of image hosting sites - Jazz Pics and Mobile Img, and I have stated that images can be used freely provided that the watermark is not removed. Always check the site for usage permissions.

I've added a photography section to Fit to Talk -  The photography and content production board

Hopefully we can use this to help members earn from using budget photo kit whilst they practice their English
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May 27, 2019, 09:15:33 AM
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What about ANN and Bounty threads in that case? I am pretty sure that there are a few users who originally created a few templates and designs and these designs are being used by many projects promoting their own ICOs. I don't feel like going into the bounty zone to look for examples but I think you get the point.

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May 27, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
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In my own opinion stealing inforgraphics is still considered a crime and punishable. It is a discretion of the admin to ban users in this kind of stealing. It is still known that admin bans only users that has been copying and pasting a posts or thread in bitcointalk.org or any source that has not been acknowledge. Clearly if one will going to chose between the two kind of stealing then copy and pasting words of others is a clearer violation than infographics. It may be harder to prove that a certain infographic was being copied and paste in the forum. Probably in the near future admins will going to cater this kind of violation and probably all users will be advised for this to avoid in getting ban in the future.

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Simply copy and pasting someone else's work, adding nothing of your own, and slapping a reference link on the bottom, whilst not plagiarism is pretty low behavior my opinion.

Good point and I'm all for it. But does that apply to translated articles? I see  bunch of them in Russian section, clear translation from various sources ( of course with relevant links), nothing added, I'm scientist and among my colleges that is considered as plagiarism with no excuse.


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What's next? Banning people for memes?
No, but there is a difference between using a random picture or meme like in your example, and posting someone else's infographic without a source. Something like this (https://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/bitcoin-infographic_5029189c9cbaf_w1500.jpg) contains far more information and took far longer to produce than most of the content which is plagiarized around here. I'd argue trying to pass off something like this as your own is a far greater offense than the usual "Great project can't wait for it to go to the moon" plagiarism, and the latter does result in a ban.

I've used infographics occasionally to illustrate a point I'm making within a thread and would say that it's up to the compiler/author of the graphic to include their signature/attribution (as they have in your example) if they want to ensure being credited for it.
Also, of course, quite often the infographic's linking text is itself plagiarised (as in your example.)
The key condition imo is whether or not the motivation for using it is to "pass it off as your own", i.e. to gain some advantage, like reputation or credibility enhancement, by omitting to mention that you are not the creator. So what is the default assumption then? That if something is not attributed then its reproduction in any context is an attempt to do this? I think that's too simplistic.
What are we to think of hilari's meme? Do we see it as just an amusing way of sharpening a point by using a publicly available image, or are we to think that he's a good meme creator because, as he didn't provide a link to the image source, he must have created it himself?




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May 27, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
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But does that apply to translated articles?
I am not a mod, so I can only give you my opinion.

As you say, in any reputable scientific journal, a simple translation would be plagiarism and wouldn't even being considered for publication. This is discussion forum though, not a scientific publication, and the same rules don't apply. As long as there is clear attribution to the author and a link to the original, I think that's ok. At least translating content (properly translating, not using machine translating) requires a bit of effort. There is certainly a place for translated content, but I will concede that the majority of these translated threads seem to fishing for merit.

So what is the default assumption then? That if something is not attributed then its reproduction in any context is an attempt to do this? I think that's too simplistic.
I concede you are probably right here, and I'm being over zealous. As discussed above, in a professional capacity I'm used to everything requiring full attribution, from a graph to a photo to a single statistic, but those rules are too strict to apply to the forum. It just doesn't sit right with me using someone else's content without at least mentioning their name.

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June 19, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
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Technically posting someone elses photos or infographics are not in breach of copyright on bitcointalk. (KEYWORDS: on bitcointalk) The images are hosted on an external server not in control of this website. If there is a breach of copyright it is with the image host and the person who posted it. Bitcointalk only links to the image. In most jurisdictions linking to an image does not result in breach of copyright.

I've previously discussed that here

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June 19, 2019, 09:06:31 PM
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As someone who have made my share of graphics on this forum, I believe that it is okay to use the Infographic if its
1. With a source
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2. is contributing to the discussion and the person who posts it have something to say about the topic. And it is complete cool of the person is using it as argument to the discussion.

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June 19, 2019, 11:57:42 PM
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imo, posting someone's infographic shouldn't be regarded as stealing or plagiarism
though adding the source and give credits to the creator would be best practice
I agree with CryptopreneurBrainboss on watermarking the image,
most of infographic images (should) have watermark or creator name on it
if the poster deliberately remove that and/or claim it as his own, then we can call it stealing

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June 20, 2019, 02:54:22 PM
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imo, posting someone's infographic shouldn't be regarded as stealing or plagiarism
though adding the source and give credits to the creator would be best practice
I agree with CryptopreneurBrainboss on watermarking the image,
most of infographic images (should) have watermark or creator name on it
if the poster deliberately remove that and/or claim it as his own, then we can call it stealing

Watermarking most often i just plain ugly and ruins the graphic for everyone. This is not acceptable in academeic community nor should be normal in other communities, a reference is enough.

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