What is in mind of those, who against vaccination?

[BADecker]

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

[Astargath]

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

Can you prove they are refusing to do safety tests? Just because somewhere someone didn't test something it doesn't mean governments all over the world are in on it and are trying to poison people.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/debunking-myths-about-vaccine-testing-and-safety/

[angel55]

I agree with Jetcash and BADecker, vaccines are pure poison and they are created to make us sick, weak, and stupid.  Heavy amounts of mercury and other neurotoxins, it puzzles me how anyone could think the government is trying to help us with vaccines.

[BADecker]

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

Can you prove they are refusing to do safety tests? Just because somewhere someone didn't test something it doesn't mean governments all over the world are in on it and are trying to poison people.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/debunking-myths-about-vaccine-testing-and-safety/

Simple.

The medical wants to make money.

Presenting successful safety tests would make people so comfortable with vaccines that they would flock to get theirs.

The thing that happened was:
1. Robert Kennedy and his group tried to get the safety tests;
2. The medical wouldn't present them;
3. Kennedy did a FOIA request;
4. The medical didn't present the tests - not even one - at the FOIA-government demand.

Now, either you accept this as proof that there aren't any successful tests, or you recognize that the medical is simply evil.

Or do you have some other excuse why the money-hungry medical wouldn't further their own financial enhancement in the tremendous way that successful safety tests would have?

[Astargath]

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

Can you prove they are refusing to do safety tests? Just because somewhere someone didn't test something it doesn't mean governments all over the world are in on it and are trying to poison people.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/debunking-myths-about-vaccine-testing-and-safety/

Simple.

The medical wants to make money.

Presenting successful safety tests would make people so comfortable with vaccines that they would flock to get theirs.

The thing that happened was:
1. Robert Kennedy and his group tried to get the safety tests;
2. The medical wouldn't present them;
3. Kennedy did a FOIA request;
4. The medical didn't present the tests - not even one - at the FOIA-government demand.

Now, either you accept this as proof that there aren't any successful tests, or you recognize that the medical is simply evil.

Or do you have some other excuse why the money-hungry medical wouldn't further their own financial enhancement in the tremendous way that successful safety tests would have?

Everyone wants to make money. What you said was already discussed and shown not to be true, I can also show thousands of safety tests done.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines,%20blood%20&%20biologics/published/Ensuring-the-Safety-of-Vaccines-in-the-United-States.pdf
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-development

[BADecker]

Everyone wants to make money. What you said was already discussed and shown not to be true, I can also show thousands of safety tests done.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines,%20blood%20&%20biologics/published/Ensuring-the-Safety-of-Vaccines-in-the-United-States.pdf
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-development

Being able to show some tests doesn't do much of anything if you don't show the tests and their results... like your links don't.

[Mometaskers]

You guys need to forget about the old vaccines, and look seriously at the modern vaccines. These are full of poisons and are designed to reduce fertility and weaken immune systems. They are also a major profit source for Big Pharma, and a way to divert funding from more productive health care. If vaccines really worked, then it wouldn't matter if some people chose not to vaccinate, as the "protected" readers of propaganda would not be affected. The very fact that they need to impose their ill considered injection of poison and disease into healthy people indicates that vaccines are not effective.

Thats a silly argument, just because some people are vaccinated it doesnt mean they are totally immune and the disease could evolve while active in other people.

If I remember correctly most vaccines require several boosters and some have to taken regularly (flu vaccines). There's plenty of opportunity for the companies to make money without having to poison their clients.

[kotajikikox]

The history of mankind should learn people smth. But, it is not. Many diseases dissapeared just because of vaccines. But some people forgot about that. They think that it has nothing to do with them. The fear of vaccination is stronger than the fear of death. I'm afraid that many deadly diseases can return someday.

There are so many cases of patients with measles in my country, but it still not encourage most people to vaccinate their children. They think it's a light child disease. And never speak about complications, that they children may have after measles.

How is the situation with vaccination in your country? Why do you think many people against vaccination?

Here in our country vaccine can be trusted for
We seen the good effect of vaccination here in our country
Proven preventing some diseases because of vaccine.
Why dont want a vaccine? Is it just because of they think of unsafe process and unreliable if its really good  for health.

[BADecker]

^^^ Vaccines are a good stab at making you well.

If a nation of people has never been vaccinated, they might have a reasonably good immune system. But the immune system still isn't perfect. When a disease comes along, it might damage the nation. All that vaccines do is shift the immune system overdrive. The immune system kills off the disease, but is weakened when it does this. If no more vaccinations are given, the immune system will gain most of its strength back.

There are a couple problems with this:
1. The immune system never gains as much strength back as it had originally, so the "victim" is susceptible to more diseases;
2. The immune system has learned to fight vaccines a little, so further vaccinations aren't as effective, or they weaken the immune system further.

If you are saved from a dreadful disease by being vaccinated, then stop further vaccinations. They only weaken your system so that you will need more of them.

If you have been vaccinated for anything, work as hard as you can with good nutrition to build your immune system up again. Depending on your age, it might take as much as a couple of years or more to flush the vaccine poison from your body after it has done its job.

Vaccines are not natural. Essentially all of the times you get stabbed in nature - snake bites, spider bites, thorns, certain fish, any animal bite, etc. - the stabs cause infection, illness, and often death. Vaccine stabs do the same. It's just that they are often more subtle about it. But sometimes they kill and paralyze almost immediately. Stay away from them except in emergency situations, like where you might die with or without them.

[MysteryMiner]

People who are against vaccination are like vegans or jehovah witnesses or flat earthers. Complete idiots.

[TheHas]

You guys need to forget about the old vaccines, and look seriously at the modern vaccines. These are full of poisons and are designed to reduce fertility and weaken immune systems. They are also a major profit source for Big Pharma, and a way to divert funding from more productive health care. If vaccines really worked, then it wouldn't matter if some people chose not to vaccinate, as the "protected" readers of propaganda would not be affected. The very fact that they need to impose their ill considered injection of poison and disease into healthy people indicates that vaccines are not effective.

It doesn't quite work that way. The problem is that very young children are not able to get vaccines until a certain age.

So you might have an anti-vaxer parent convinced that medical science doesn't apply to them, or doctors are liars and chooses not to vaccinate their older kid. This kid then gets something like the measles, and then goes to daycare or school and passes it onto a kid who was too young to get vaccinated.

This kind of issue is literally what's happening and why people are rightly concerned by the anti-vax movement. It is no coincidence that the incidence of these conditions is increasing while immunisation rates are going down.

So the people you list as 'readers of propaganda' are impacted (and potentially having their children become very sick or killed) by the decisions of those who, for whatever reason, think the science of vaccination doesn't apply to them or their family.

Also, if it was all a conspiracy - then why would their be a lower age limit for when kids can start getting vaccinated? Surely Big Pharma would want to get in early on the money train... its almost like the age limit is based on evidence for when it is best time to get vaccinated

I'm no friend of Big Pharma - but I do believe in well established medical science.

[mayo2u]

I agree with Jetcash and BADecker, vaccines are pure poison and they are created to make us sick, weak, and stupid.  Heavy amounts of mercury and other neurotoxins, it puzzles me how anyone could think the government is trying to help us with vaccines.

Then why are fewer people contracting measles, small pox, polio, etc...

People were getting these diseases and dying. Then the vaccines came and people stopped dying.

Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

[tvbcof]

I agree with Jetcash and BADecker, vaccines are pure poison and they are created to make us sick, weak, and stupid.  Heavy amounts of mercury and other neurotoxins, it puzzles me how anyone could think the government is trying to help us with vaccines.

Then why are fewer people contracting measles, small pox, polio, etc...

People were getting these diseases and dying. Then the vaccines came and people stopped dying.

Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

Cool story Bro, but you could throw a dart to pick where 'vaccines came along' in the curve of mortality from a lot of these ailments.



Sharp eyed observers may note that there never was a vaccine for Scarlett Fever, but 'people stopped dying' of that too oddly enough.

Even our highly medicated/vaccinated/fluoridated people of 2019 could, with monumental effort, look at the little characters on the left side of the graph and disabuse themselves of the notion that back in the day people were more likely than not to die of measles or whatever.  Most of the 'problem' has been massively hyped into existance, and apparently to get it so that Big Brother can mandate a situation where the peeps show up at the clinic when instructed to have anything desired by his cousin Big Pharma injected directly into their blood streams.

[tvbcof]

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Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

You want people to be chronically ill for life so that they keep coming back to the barn and paying.  Chronic ailments which do not keep one from their also showing up at work most of the time are perfect, and a lot of the autoimmunity related problems which have undergone explosive growth since the mid 80's when vaccine manufacturers were given immunity from liability lawsuits (vaccines only) are perfect.

[Daniel91]

It seems to me that we live in a society where people lose their trust in official information and authorities.
That's why people are looking for information on the Internet and believe in various conspiracy theories.
That's why people are acting irrationally and sometimes jeopardize their health and the health of their children.
Virtually no one believes in facts, and politicians and media have lost the authority which they once had.

[mayo2u]

I agree with Jetcash and BADecker, vaccines are pure poison and they are created to make us sick, weak, and stupid.  Heavy amounts of mercury and other neurotoxins, it puzzles me how anyone could think the government is trying to help us with vaccines.

Then why are fewer people contracting measles, small pox, polio, etc...

People were getting these diseases and dying. Then the vaccines came and people stopped dying.

Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

Cool story Bro, but you could throw a dart to pick where 'vaccines came along' in the curve of mortality from a lot of these ailments.



Sharp eyed observers may note that there never was a vaccine for Scarlett Fever, but 'people stopped dying' of that too oddly enough.

Even our highly medicated/vaccinated/fluoridated people of 2019 could, with monumental effort, look at the little characters on the left side of the graph and disabuse themselves of the notion that back in the day people were more likely than not to die of measles or whatever.  Most of the 'problem' has been massively hyped into existance, and apparently to get it so that Big Brother can mandate a situation where the peeps show up at the clinic when instructed to have anything desired by his cousin Big Pharma injected directly into their blood streams.

Ah, charts. Now you're speaking my language. If this chart is accurate then I would have to say that you're on to something. (Now when I said "if" I'm not calling you out. I have to double check things for myself.)

But this is very, very interesting. Thx.

[mayo2u]

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Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

You want people to be chronically ill for life so that they keep coming back to the barn and paying.  Chronic ailments which do not keep one from their also showing up at work most of the time are perfect, and a lot of the autoimmunity related problems which have undergone explosive growth since the mid 80's when vaccine manufacturers were given immunity from liability lawsuits (vaccines only) are perfect.

I was vaccinated years ago (in the 1960s). I'm very good health (outside a bum knee - but that was my fault). And - it's not just me. I know other many other people in excellent health.

What stands us apart is not the fact that we didn't get vaccines but that we eat well and exercise religiously.

So - why have the vaccines not affected us? (I'm not talking about people in their 20s. I'm talking about people 50+ who should be feeling the affects of the vaccines as well as old age.)

[BADecker]

^^^ The vaccinations HAVE affected you. When they were given, they activated your immune system in some strong ways, weakening it at the same time.

If you haven't had any more of them for a long time, your immune system has grown strong again, naturally repairing itself. It might be strong enough by now that you could withstand detrimental affects from a few vaccinations right now.

But don't think that it didn't change you. There are subtle mental changes that have taken place in you. They might even have affected some of the big descissions you made in life.

The big problem with today's vaccines is that they contain all kinds of crap in them that is poisoning anyone who gets them. And, they are being used more and more, both by government mandate, and by the stupidity of people who think that they aren't really all that harmful.

[Astargath]

^^^ Vaccines are a good stab at making you well.

If a nation of people has never been vaccinated, they might have a reasonably good immune system. But the immune system still isn't perfect. When a disease comes along, it might damage the nation. All that vaccines do is shift the immune system overdrive. The immune system kills off the disease, but is weakened when it does this. If no more vaccinations are given, the immune system will gain most of its strength back.

There are a couple problems with this:
1. The immune system never gains as much strength back as it had originally, so the "victim" is susceptible to more diseases;
2. The immune system has learned to fight vaccines a little, so further vaccinations aren't as effective, or they weaken the immune system further.

If you are saved from a dreadful disease by being vaccinated, then stop further vaccinations. They only weaken your system so that you will need more of them.

If you have been vaccinated for anything, work as hard as you can with good nutrition to build your immune system up again. Depending on your age, it might take as much as a couple of years or more to flush the vaccine poison from your body after it has done its job.

Vaccines are not natural. Essentially all of the times you get stabbed in nature - snake bites, spider bites, thorns, certain fish, any animal bite, etc. - the stabs cause infection, illness, and often death. Vaccine stabs do the same. It's just that they are often more subtle about it. But sometimes they kill and paralyze almost immediately. Stay away from them except in emergency situations, like where you might die with or without them.

They might have a better immune system, the problem, however, is that vaccines are used to stop deadly diseases so you basically have 2 outcomes:

1. People with a weaker immune system

2. 95% of the population wiped out due to terrible diseases that weren't stopped with vaccines and we simply waited for some small amount of people to develop immune systems strong enough to stop them (this is also evolution btw)

[tvbcof]

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Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

You want people to be chronically ill for life so that they keep coming back to the barn and paying.  Chronic ailments which do not keep one from their also showing up at work most of the time are perfect, and a lot of the autoimmunity related problems which have undergone explosive growth since the mid 80's when vaccine manufacturers were given immunity from liability lawsuits (vaccines only) are perfect.

I was vaccinated years ago (in the 1960s). I'm very good health (outside a bum knee - but that was my fault). And - it's not just me. I know other many other people in excellent health.

What stands us apart is not the fact that we didn't get vaccines but that we eat well and exercise religiously.

So - why have the vaccines not affected us? (I'm not talking about people in their 20s. I'm talking about people 50+ who should be feeling the affects of the vaccines as well as old age.)

I'm in the same boat.  I got the standard 7 shots in the late 60's early 70's that we all did.  I got the standard right-of-passage childhood ailments that we all did (chicken-pox, mumps, etc) and have life-long immunity and an immune system which was exercised in the normal way for human beings.  These right-of-passage illnesses tend to be no bigger a deal than the common cold most of the time.  I've got almost no ailments of any kind at age 52 and I've not even bothered getting a checkup for a decade.  I get the seasonal flu half the time but it never even keeps me from working outdoors.  Certainly I'm not in the 75% of my age cohort who is on one or more prescription meds.

I also happen to have gotten a shit-load of vaccinations in the military when I was a healthy 20 year old.  That was 'gulf war' time period under GHW Bush, and it's pretty clear to me now that they were doing a ton of testing.  During basic I and another guy did not experience certain very painful symptoms which effected the rest of the people in my training company.  At permanent station we all got scheduled for for different 'boosters'.  I may have been in a control group, or I may be a person who's body is just not very sensitive to certain kinds of assaults.  Or both.

People tend, for some reason, to make certain assumptions which are, to me, simply not valid:

 - The technology and ingredients of vaccines have not changed in 50 years.  (Never mind that the number of dosing have exploded since I was a kid.)

 - The same vaccine formulations used in different populations all over the world.  A measles shot is a measles shot is a measles shot no matter if it is in some 'least developed' country or in the West.  This is demonstrable not true.  Even in Germany the government ministers and military get Baxter H1N1 while the peeps get GSK.

 - The makeup of the board of directors of the big pharma companies, and the amount of influence their lobbying money has had on the government and regulatory agencies has not changed in 50 years.  I find this suggestion ludicrous.

You seem like a sensible guy actually.  I would urge you to be careful about assumptions as you continue your analysis.  Just double-check that they are valid if viewed from the alternate hypothesis.