What is in mind of those, who against vaccination?

[tvbcof]

Well people who are mostly against vaccines are very much religious people. They believe that anything that is artificial for the benefit of human is like betraying the God. By the same logic they should not even use mobile phones because it is also artificial and they shouldn't take public transport by cars which are also artificial. Nowhere in any religion it is stated that if you take help from doctors or medicines, it is a sin.

I'm a straight-up atheist.

A certain small segment of the medical and scientific community thought they'd 'play God' and eliminate measles (a benign right-of-passage childhood ailment which everybody got almost never caused any problems.)  This they did "because they could."  Everything they claimed to think they could do was wrong and now we've got a totally screwed up ecological balance.

The fundamental tenant of ecology is "You can never do just one thing."  Playing God often results in tears.  Literature is filled with it...both fiction and non-fiction.  Leaving things alone when possible is not some spiritual purist belief as much as it is a practical strategy born of the school of hard knocks.

The real problem is that a totally screwed up ecology which requires every person to visit a clinic for their monthly 'booster shots' is, to Big Pharma and the socialists who desire ever tightening government control over every member of society, not a bug.  It's a feature!

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[iamsheikhadil]

Well people who are mostly against vaccines are very much religious people. They believe that anything that is artificial for the benefit of human is like betraying the God. By the same logic they should not even use mobile phones because it is also artificial and they shouldn't take public transport by cars which are also artificial. Nowhere in any religion it is stated that if you take help from doctors or medicines, it is a sin.

I'm a straight-up atheist.

A certain small segment of the medical and scientific community thought they'd 'play God' and eliminate measles (a benign right-of-passage childhood ailment which everybody got almost never caused any problems.)  This they did "because they could."  Everything they claimed to think they could do was wrong and now we've got a totally screwed up ecological balance.

The fundamental tenant of ecology is "You can never do just one thing."  Playing God often results in tears.  Literature is filled with it...both fiction and non-fiction.  Leaving things alone when possible is not some spiritual purist belief as much as it is a practical strategy born of the school of hard knocks.

The real problem is that a totally screwed up ecology which requires every person to visit a clinic for their monthly 'booster shots' is, to Big Pharma and the socialists who desire ever tightening government control over every member of society, not a bug.  It's a feature!

Frankly I actually generalized all anti-vaxxers. I don't really know the system in the society you live in. When I say anti-vaxxers I actually mean those people who are against vaccines that can prevent or cure preventable diseases. To go to clinic mandatorily every week to get vaccines just for the sake of it because the government thinks you need it is not what I support. That's like a business the government is playing with the general population.

[bitcoin-shark]

vaccines are necessary to eradicate certain diseases permanently and to avoid contagion, especially in schools, but it should still be a free choice of families and not a state imposition...

[BADecker]

^^^ Vaccines are eradicating diseases. And the way that they are doing it is twofold:
1. They are bringing other, worse diseases to bear, or into existence, to eradicate the first ones;
2. Vaccines are killing people, and once a person is dead, he no longer has the disease.

[tvbcof]

^^^ Vaccines are eradicating diseases. And the way that they are doing it is twofold:
1. They are bringing other, worse diseases to bear, or into existence, to eradicate the first ones;
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That is technically true with Polio.  More cases of paralytic polio are of the vaccine strain than wild strain polio now.  It is possible to argue that 'Yeah, but if the vaccine program did not exist then there would be far more wild strain than what currently exists now.'  OK, fine.  It could well be true but I want to see valid studies which prove this and which prove the premises upon which the suggestion is built rather than hand-waving assertions by the those being paid off by profits from the pharma sector.

The real problem is that they are badly warping the ecology associated with the illnesses the vaccines target in many cases.  Vaccines have some serious flaws compared to natural illness.  Specifically that they don't confer life-long immunity, and immunity is not passed from mother-to-child in the first year as is the case with many of these illnesses when caught naturally by a mother when she was a kid.

What they have done is to force the illness into an older cohort so that 'right-of-passage' things we all used to get like mumps which are trivial in childhood are now being caught by older people when they tend to be actually threatening.  And they also leave the infants vulnerable even if they are breast feeding.  In the case of measles and mumps they have totally fucked up the ecology and since the initial promise of long duration immunity was a lie, they now want everyone to get boosters for the rest of their lives.

Probably more people will die in auto accidents on their way to their monthly vaccine booster shots then ever did back in the day when we all used to get these trivial things and miss a few days of school.

One of the most pernicious harms is that in order to cover their asses, and protect their profits, the whole industry (including the so-called 'regulatory agencies') are pumping out propaganda, lies and junk science and setting the whole field of medical science on a backslide.  How long before they bring back bloodletting?

[BADecker]

The fact that Ernie Hancock and Freedom's Phoenix are supporting the Vaccine Education Summit, means that due diligence has been done in the areas of the topics. Ernie doesn't support stuff that is false or wrong. Most importantly, Ernie is about freedom.

Ernie >>>   There's those who want to be left alone, and there's those who just won't leave them alone.


Pictures from the Vaccine Education Summit held Sept 28, 2019 in Phoenix, AZ

Vaccine Education Summit was held this past weekend in Phoenix, AZ - Here are some pictures from the event...






Ernie Hancock

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Click the link for more.

[johnpaul94]

Socio-cultural factors play a huge role in my country as individuals will rather die with their Socio-cultural ideologies against vaccination than vaccine their children.  In a certain village in my country  they believe that the whites brought vaccines to reduce their population. Education is the solution to this societal menace.

[BADecker]

Socio-cultural factors play a huge role in my country as individuals will rather die with their Socio-cultural ideologies against vaccination than vaccine their children.  In a certain village in my country  they believe that the whites brought vaccines to reduce their population. Education is the solution to this societal menace.

But if you look for the Irene Pi video in some of the posts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs), you will see that the medical is admitting that they don't know if more lives are lost from vaccines or without them.

Arizona Breakfast Club - September 14, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs

[Rmcdermott927]

Socio-cultural factors play a huge role in my country as individuals will rather die with their Socio-cultural ideologies against vaccination than vaccine their children.  In a certain village in my country  they believe that the whites brought vaccines to reduce their population. Education is the solution to this societal menace.

But if you look for the Irene Pi video in some of the posts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs), you will see that the medical is admitting that they don't know if more lives are lost from vaccines or without them.

Arizona Breakfast Club - September 14, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs

Please, the measles outbreaks in Brooklyn NY right now suggest otherwise.   Vaccinations are scientifically proven to reduce and eradicate deadly diseases.   Any other conclusion is ignorance.

[tvbcof]

Please, the measles outbreaks in Brooklyn NY right now suggest otherwise.   Vaccinations are scientifically proven to reduce and eradicate deadly diseases.   Any other conclusion is ignorance.

^^^ If anyone would like an classic example of 'dogma', here it is ^^^

It's also antithetical to the concept of 'science'.  This guy exhibits exactly what the school system is designed to teach.  The public school systems are not failing.  They are, in fact, succeeding behind the wildest dreams of the people who fund and who designed them.

[TECSHARE]

A large portion of the measles outbreaks are resulting directly from vaccinations and then spreading. This is confirmed by genotype sequencing as the version used for vacinations is no longer in the wild.

"Rapid Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype by Real-Time PCR"
https://jcm.asm.org/content/jcm/55/3/735.full.pdf

"Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568886

[tvbcof]

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"Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568886

Shaw and Tomljanovic made a very slight error in one of their papers.  I don't recall the exact details.  I think they shifted an age cohort without a proper explanation.  I don't remember if it was this paper, but from 'our side' it is best to avoid use of their work when possible.  There is a growing mass of information from others who've not made such a mistake.

The thing is that the pro-vax side can use the most basic and crude forms of fraud and their work will be lauded.  More importantly, the 'better' the fraud the more funding they can expect going forward.  Same as with global climate change fraudsters.

'Our side' doesn't have this luxury.  Quite the opposite.  The one thing 'we' have on our side is truth, and good science will almost always reward that...after a few decades...  The power of 'the truth' is the basis for the attack on real science by the likes of Big Pharma and the Greenie crowd.  But 'we' have to be extra super careful to do everything perfectly.  Even then we'll be smeared, but the smear can be wiped clean and eventually the other side sustains a hit for it.  Clever people on the truth side can bait the fraud side into attacks which will backfire on them because, in point of fact, the fraudster side 'scientists' are sell-outs and often because they are simply not very smart.  Cannot make it doing real science.

The fraudsters have the government and the entire mainstream media behind them (since the same group of people own both) so even when 'the truth' wins, most people don't know it.  But then again, most people are fairly useless sheeple class and what they think they know doesn't really have much of an impact on the real world.  When it comes to vaccines, the sheeple class will damage their kids upon demand by corp/gov, and their kids will end up as stupid as they are.  It's sad and it will have a negative impact on society, but it's not probably the best battle to fight right now.

[BADecker]

Socio-cultural factors play a huge role in my country as individuals will rather die with their Socio-cultural ideologies against vaccination than vaccine their children.  In a certain village in my country  they believe that the whites brought vaccines to reduce their population. Education is the solution to this societal menace.

But if you look for the Irene Pi video in some of the posts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs), you will see that the medical is admitting that they don't know if more lives are lost from vaccines or without them.

Arizona Breakfast Club - September 14, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs

Please, the measles outbreaks in Brooklyn NY right now suggest otherwise.   Vaccinations are scientifically proven to reduce and eradicate deadly diseases.   Any other conclusion is ignorance.

Oh, please. The CDC and AMA and other medical websites are even saying that vaccines cause many of the outbreaks. If you can't believe them for this, then why are you believing them for the other? And that is in the face of all the independent data coming out that says the same thing.

What you might be getting with vaccines is a little salvation now for a whole lot worse later. That's exactly how a Ponzi scheme works.

Keep on believing in vaccines. It's a good religion... just like Islam.

[BADecker]

Read what else is in the vaccines.


Highly toxic ingredients are deliberately formulated into mandatory vaccines so that you are forced to submit to being poisoned

Mandatory vaccinations are a highly controversial subject. For years, medical propaganda has been conditioning us to believe that vaccines provide what is known as “herd immunity.” This propaganda teaches that if a significant proportion of the population is vaccinated against a disease then the whole community will be protected, including those who do not receive the vaccine.

Based on this faulty premise, many states have passed laws making vaccinations mandatory – supposedly for the greater good of all. Many vaccine advocates go so far as to accuse those who refuse to be vaccinated of compromising the health of the entire community.

However, decades after the first vaccines were created, history has proven that these toxic jabs do not confer a lifetime of immunity, which is why booster shots are now recommended for many vaccines. And the simple fact is that in addition to being ineffective, vaccines also carry serious risks and contain dangerous and ethically questionable ingredients. Yet, more and more states are passing laws making it mandatory for children to be vaccinated, even denying school entry to those who refuse to comply.

It is therefore more important than ever to know exactly what vaccines are made of and why we need to be extremely cautious about allowing healthcare workers to administer them to our children.

The science behind vaccines

There is a common misconception that being vaccinated simply entails being injected with a small amount of a disease so that the immune system can produce antibodies against it, thereby conferring lifelong immunity to the recipient.

[johnpaul94]

In my country, many people are vaccinating their children because the number of hospital child birth is increasing and mothers are more enlightened on child vaccination

[protEr]

I would like to think it's something hardwired in them from the time they were kids and really can't see the benefits because they are brainwashed

or maybe it's part of their beliefs and faith at play...they have their reasons, that's a given !

[tvbcof]

I would like to think it's something hardwired in them from the time they were kids and really can't see the benefits because they are brainwashed

or maybe it's part of their beliefs and faith at play...they have their reasons, that's a given !

I was pro-vaccine from the initial indoctrination that we all get.  I was pretty much pro-everything which was marketed as 'science'.  When I started looking into the science behind vaccines I expected that it would re-enforce my pro-vaccine beliefs.  What I found eventually shifted me 180 degrees.

Actually the above is more true of 'global warming'.  I think with vaccines the shift started when I was writings from old-time social engineers about how injections could be used in the future to shape and mold human populations coupled with lots and lots of reports of injury from victims that piqued my interest enough that I started reading and observing the scientific and medical papers.

It is hard not to notice that those arguing pro-global-warming and pro-vaccine lean heavily on appeal to authority and actively discourage any deeper understanding of the fundamental principles of science.  OTOH, people who don't tow the mainstream line on these topics often bend over backwards to teach basic things like what the n=0.05 in a statistical calculation.  The apperent reason is that when real science and real understanding wins, they win.

[Zero Ale]

Well, some people are always contro... I think it is a character, not ideas o something else. There are people who just need to be against others. I am writing about climate and environment and well, i see people who don't think we need to change something about it. My blog is here www.zeroenergy-systems.com

[BADecker]

Well, some people are always contro... I think it is a character, not ideas o something else. There are people who just need to be against others. I am writing about climate and environment and well, i see people who don't think we need to change something about it. My blog is here www.zeroenergy-systems.com

The most benefit received from attempting to do something about climate change, is that CC workers will feel comfortable with themselves that they did something they thought was beneficial for something.

Hopefully they will be dead and gone before the next big volcano erupts, and makes all their operations into something deadly for the world. Think of how bad they would feel to know that they had helped the disaster be worse.

[tvbcof]

Well, some people are always contro... I think it is a character, not ideas o something else. There are people who just need to be against others. I am writing about climate and environment and well, i see people who don't think we need to change something about it. My blog is here www.zeroenergy-systems.com

I'm not 'contro' on efficient use of energy.  In fact I am right now in some heavy research about cooling buildings in a high temp high humidity environment.  Not an easy problem thermodynamically.

I am against efficient use of energy to 'save the earth'.  Anthropogenic climate change is 99.999% scam to make rich people have more control and to have their lackies make some bucks while the serve as pawns in a game which they don't even understand.  They'll be flushed when their job is done.

I'm interested in alternative energy methods only because I have money to burn and I enjoy a challenge.  Coal would give the most people the best quality of life as long as it is burnt in facilities which have scrubbers (such as those in the U.S..)  Most of the 'greenie' crowd are conditioned to hate human beings and want a population reduction because that's how their sponsors have conditioned them.

'Green energy' will come along naturally when it makes economic sense.  Right now it's mostly a scam funded by the dynastic wealth families for nefarious reasons, but some of the wasted money ends up in millions of people's pockets which keeps the game going.  True, technological progress is moving faster by dumping trillions into the boondoggle, but since global climate change is a sham it really doesn't matter.  There are better and more humane ways to spend the money.  Artificial scarcity in energy will kill millions and billions...maybe that's part of the idea...