Hack any wallet?

[jjjfff]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

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[Adriano2010]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

You can try random words on passphrase but will not work because only some words in some orders will generate a wallet, so is even hard than you think to can generate a wallet where are crypto coins. And there are some people who put extra word on passphrase and will be even hard to get a valid one, and also there are hardware wallets who give 24 words passphrase.

[akamit]

It is just impossible as far as I can think.
You need trillions & trillions of words checking to make a combination first then need another check to make the words in the correct order.

All of the efforts above is just to hack one wallet and there will be no guarantee the hacker will success.

[ahmia39]

Scrambling 12 words to find someone else's wallet will take a lot of time, because we won't get it right away, if people don't have a special job then they can try it, who knows if it works, I haven't tried it myself.

[rachman mahesa]

Scrambling 12 words to find someone else's wallet will take a lot of time, because we won't get it right away, if people don't have a special job then they can try it, who knows if it works, I haven't tried it myself.

It will definitely take a lot of time and it might not be just 1-2 tries. I definitely have to do a lot of experiments. And after finding the combination and the contents in the wallet did not exist. Of course it will be frustrating because the wallet that we crack with the combination does not have assets and what happens is just waste time and entertainment. 

[Lizzylove1]

This is definitely impossible, even if it's gotten correctly (which in real case it's totally impossible) the sequential arrangement will eternally be wrong. As such it's a dead end adventure. 

[Little Mouse]

That's not that easy if you are thinking of. For getting a seed with millions of holding, you need to bruteforce couple of millions of seed which will take your life. People are not so much dumb.

[davis196]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

There are brute force attack software versions that are used to crack passwords just by guessing random letters and numbers.I think that such software would need years to generate the correct 12 word combination.

[bL4nkcode]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

There are brute force attack software versions that are used to crack passwords just by guessing random letters and numbers.I think that such software would need years to generate the correct 12 word combination.

You can take a look on this thread from technical discussions, there are some who did the maths here on  How can electrum seed be secure and How HD wallet works for back ups?

[LuckyBtc]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

There are brute force attack software versions that are used to crack passwords just by guessing random letters and numbers.I think that such software would need years to generate the correct 12 word combination.

It would take centuries to maybe stumble upon a wallet with Bitcoins in it. Brute forcing seed is just useless at present time, In future who knows we might have systems that might be able to, But by that time we would also have better way of protecting our seeds, Only those who lost their wallet / didn't upgrade wallet will be affected.

[akamit]

There are brute force attack software versions that are used to crack passwords just by guessing random letters and numbers.I think that such software would need years to generate the correct 12 word combination.

Password and Seed Words are two different things if I'm not mistaken. OP is talking to break through the 12 words seed to hack a wallet.

However, to break a 10 character password that uses letters, numbers, and symbols, such as "%ZBGbv]8g?" it would take 289217 years. This would take about 3 years on a supercomputer or botnet.

This is a good read IMO. The above calculation is taken from the mentioned article.

edit: I do use over 16 characters in all my passwords, now I'm wondering how long it may take.

Edit 2: Below is also a good read to gain some knowledge - Thanks to bL4nkcode for pointing to that thread.

No, it would take much too long to bruteforce. The seed is very secure and it has a lot of entropy.

Finding a 12 words phrase with words in the english dictionnary shouldn't take to long for an algorithm.

What is making the seed secure?

I see that you have no concept of probabilities.

I'll discuss BIP39 here as that is what most wallets use for generated the seed, but some don't. A 12 word seed is secure in the same way that a 12 character random passphrase is secure. In fact, it is even more secure than a 12 character random passphrase, due to the fact that there are 2048 possible words for each of the 12 words instead of less than 100 possible characters for the 12 characters in a 12 character passphrase.

BIP39 uses 2048 possible words for each of the twelve words. That's 5444517870735015415413993718908291383296 possible combinations of 12 word seeds. Furthermore, BIP39 specifies that the seed can be in any of 7 langauges (AFAIK the seed has to be in the same language). So if you don't know the language, that's 38111625095145107907897956032358039683072 possible combinations. That is a lot of possible seeds to have to search through, and it would take much too long to search for that.

what do yiou mean by a lot of entropy?

Entropy here means randomness. The seed is based upon a completely random master private key. Additional randomness is added by hashing parts of said key and used in the seed phrase. Since the phrase is essentially completely random, there are no patterns or easy to guess things that usually make brute forcing a password easier.

Edit: Math

[MUG1WARA]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

maybe if you are lucky you can find it but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack, but I think doing something like that is just a waste of time

[dainoran]

I don't think that will work because there are many word combinations that will be needed to complete it. unless you have a trick that can be used it can also be used.

[Jonking]

guessing a 12 word seed just to hack a wallet is impossible.. i would not even dare to do that.. .. if there is a pattern maybe it would work..but guessing randomly no

[jjjfff]

OK thanks for all the replies.

So I realize the combinations are absurdly large.

Theoretical question here: isn't every 12 word combination a valid wallet using the valid words?

By simply concatenating the words randomly I can create a wallet. Right? Wrong?

[DeepChipolino]

Right.
Suppose that only lowercase Latin letters are used. For example, I often write my own combination, such as lanufqjpdwjufbyqdbwkwffpvnxsdfcdgsufwtrfaiofbreebtfpjef.
Combinations more than stars .

[sri.bima]

Doing hacking is something that is disturbing and harmful is not it? What if we experience hacking? Of course we will be sad, confused, angry and feeling disappointed. My question is simple, how much time will it be spent random and why do we do it? For me, something is impossible. I think there are still other positive activities that are more useful.

[livingfree]

Hitting a random seed through brute force? I don't think that it's very possible to happen. Yes, some may say that you can actually hit someone's seed by accident if you're going to try but for how long?

Theoretical question here: isn't every 12 word combination a valid wallet using the valid words?

There are 24 words and more than that too.

[mickey_miner]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

At this point in time, this is exactly unrealistic, but I think in the future there will be computers that can quickly pick up the words and hack wallets.

[cytpoway121]

So there are 12 words chosen from thousands to recover any wallet.

If you iterate through random word combinations you will eventually generate a wallet that exists, correct?

I know the number of combinations is astronomical. But in theory if you keep generating random phrases, you might eventually stumble upon a wallet holding millions?

It is very much harder to generate 12 correlating words to get a random account
That’s why it’s safe and secure using such paper wallet

And the opportunity to stumble on an existing wallet is 1 in a billion