XEL - The Codable Decentralized Supercomputer - XEL.ORG

[drays]

Mine shows block 687929 from Apr 10 11AM. Seconds passed since last block are more than 48600 (13.5 hours). 48 peers. Not sure if it is stuck on the same block as yours.

[bspus]

Funds arrived this morning. I guess the network was frozen for hours

[KawaBunGa]

Is this project totally dead or what? Discord is silent, Twitter as well. Most of the repositories on GitHub haven't been updated for almost a year... It's traded only on Bittrex and Upbit, but I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to delist it 

[HmmMAA]

Is this project totally dead or what? Discord is silent, Twitter as well. Most of the repositories on GitHub haven't been updated for almost a year... It's traded only on Bittrex and Upbit, but I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to delist it 

The project isn't dead but it seems the community doesn't support it . Maybe a delisting will make community wake up ( or not ) .

[thinkinger]

Is this project totally dead or what? Discord is silent, Twitter as well. Most of the repositories on GitHub haven't been updated for almost a year... It's traded only on Bittrex and Upbit, but I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to delist it 

The project isn't dead but it seems the community doesn't support it . Maybe a delisting will make community wake up ( or not ) .

i think they dont need to wake up. those are us that have to wake up. cos the community made their money and ran away as always in any shitcoin.

[josegines]

I usually follow Discord because there are some with powers on Github.
The good thing is that we still have 10-11 peers.
Have you seen that the Bittrex wallet still has more than 39 MM XEL, and that almost every day there are transfers, despite the fact that the withdrawal period ended 2 months ago?

https://explorer.xel.org/address/XEL-AQVJ-PPCK-QJYJ-8T65V/

[drays]

Have you seen that the Bittrex wallet still has more than 39 MM XEL, and that almost every day there are transfers, despite the fact that the withdrawal period ended 2 months ago?

https://explorer.xel.org/address/XEL-AQVJ-PPCK-QJYJ-8T65V/

As far as I understand, the XEL wallet is not removed from Bittrex, and there was no withdrawal period announced. They only removed the market, but kept the wallet open until further notice. Typically they send notifications when removing any coin's wallet. I did not get any such notification regarding the XEL wallet yet.

[josegines]

Have you seen that the Bittrex wallet still has more than 39 MM XEL, and that almost every day there are transfers, despite the fact that the withdrawal period ended 2 months ago?

https://explorer.xel.org/address/XEL-AQVJ-PPCK-QJYJ-8T65V/

As far as I understand, the XEL wallet is not removed from Bittrex, and there was no withdrawal period announced. They only removed the market, but kept the wallet open until further notice. Typically they send notifications when removing any coin's wallet. I did not get any such notification regarding the XEL wallet yet.

Thank you very much for the clarification.
In the notice that bittrex made on the occasion of the exit of XEL and others, they indicated that there was a month or less to withdraw.

https://bittrexglobal.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017409679-Pending-Market-Removals-11-20-2020

Is it normal for Bittrex to keep the XEL wallet? does it with others? I think that if an exchange makes this decision, I do not understand that it maintains this support longer than usual.

[drays]

Have you seen that the Bittrex wallet still has more than 39 MM XEL, and that almost every day there are transfers, despite the fact that the withdrawal period ended 2 months ago?

https://explorer.xel.org/address/XEL-AQVJ-PPCK-QJYJ-8T65V/

As far as I understand, the XEL wallet is not removed from Bittrex, and there was no withdrawal period announced. They only removed the market, but kept the wallet open until further notice. Typically they send notifications when removing any coin's wallet. I did not get any such notification regarding the XEL wallet yet.

Thank you very much for the clarification.
In the notice that bittrex made on the occasion of the exit of XEL and others, they indicated that there was a month or less to withdraw.

https://bittrexglobal.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017409679-Pending-Market-Removals-11-20-2020

Is it normal for Bittrex to keep the XEL wallet? does it with others? I think that if an exchange makes this decision, I do not understand that it maintains this support longer than usual.

Yes, indeed, there is a withdrawal warning in the "Token Withdrawal After Delisting" of the announcement you referred too. And formally Bittrex can remove the wallet at any moment, and refer all annoyed customers to that warning... But practically I have noticed they try to be more cautios, and provide their customers with appropriate wallet removal email warnings - sometimes 2-3 times before actually removing wallet. Probably they try to avoid unnecessary complications, which will surely arise if they don't provide enough warnings before removing the wallet (as this could bring to a loss of funds belonging to a customer).

Not only XEL wallet is still online. I have another coin in the same list, which still has active wallet on Bittrex, despite market being delisted for few months already. As to the reasons of this behavior from Bittrex, I can think of few reasons, but I have no idea whether any of them is correct...

One thing is pretty clear - even if they didn't delist those wallets yet, they are going to do that sooner or later, unless any of the delisted projects gains REAL traction, which is unlikely.

[josegines]

Yes, indeed, there is a withdrawal warning in the "Token Withdrawal After Delisting" of the announcement you referred too. And formally Bittrex can remove the wallet at any moment, and refer all annoyed customers to that warning... But practically I have noticed they try to be more cautios, and provide their customers with appropriate wallet removal email warnings - sometimes 2-3 times before actually removing wallet. Probably they try to avoid unnecessary complications, which will surely arise if they don't provide enough warnings before removing the wallet (as this could bring to a loss of funds belonging to a customer).

Not only XEL wallet is still online. I have another coin in the same list, which still has active wallet on Bittrex, despite market being delisted for few months already. As to the reasons of this behavior from Bittrex, I can think of few reasons, but I have no idea whether any of them is correct...

One thing is pretty clear - even if they didn't delist those wallets yet, they are going to do that sooner or later, unless any of the delisted projects gains REAL traction, which is unlikely.

Do you have any opinion about the possibility of resuscitating the project or do you think that we will not see the conditions of 2017 again, in which without having a defined team either, several people agreed to do things?

[cfif]

Coin looks as a newbody with untracked market data. I knows a few projects, which was created in 2017-18. What is the privilege of this idea over anothers?

[AmoreJaz]

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Do you have any opinion about the possibility of resuscitating the project or do you think that we will not see the conditions of 2017 again, in which without having a defined team either, several people agreed to do things?

Coin looks as a newbody with untracked market data. I knows a few projects, which was created in 2017-18. What is the privilege of this idea over anothers?

the site is still up but the dev was last online last year. no updates, no nothing. so it seems they are abandoning this project and dont think it is a smart move to revive the project. if you want to revive this, just create your own, at least the control of site and other important stuffs are yours. another one bites the dust.
but they made an update on their git last 26 days ago. does it mean they are still working on this project?

[cfif]

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Do you have any opinion about the possibility of resuscitating the project or do you think that we will not see the conditions of 2017 again, in which without having a defined team either, several people agreed to do things?

Coin looks as a newbody with untracked market data. I knows a few projects, which was created in 2017-18. What is the privilege of this idea over anothers?

the site is still up but the dev was last online last year. no updates, no nothing. so it seems they are abandoning this project and dont think it is a smart move to revive the project. if you want to revive this, just create your own, at least the control of site and other important stuffs are yours. another one bites the dust.
but they made an update on their git last 26 days ago. does it mean they are still working on this project?

Maybe you are right. It looks as a dead project. Marketcap is shows nothing, it is a best indicator of live. 

[drays]

Yes, indeed, there is a withdrawal warning in the "Token Withdrawal After Delisting" of the announcement you referred too. And formally Bittrex can remove the wallet at any moment, and refer all annoyed customers to that warning... But practically I have noticed they try to be more cautios, and provide their customers with appropriate wallet removal email warnings - sometimes 2-3 times before actually removing wallet. Probably they try to avoid unnecessary complications, which will surely arise if they don't provide enough warnings before removing the wallet (as this could bring to a loss of funds belonging to a customer).

Not only XEL wallet is still online. I have another coin in the same list, which still has active wallet on Bittrex, despite market being delisted for few months already. As to the reasons of this behavior from Bittrex, I can think of few reasons, but I have no idea whether any of them is correct...

One thing is pretty clear - even if they didn't delist those wallets yet, they are going to do that sooner or later, unless any of the delisted projects gains REAL traction, which is unlikely.

Do you have any opinion about the possibility of resuscitating the project or do you think that we will not see the conditions of 2017 again, in which without having a defined team either, several people agreed to do things?

Well, as it is known, everyone has an opinion . I don't think my opinion matters a lot in this topic.

The conditions you speak about, and very rare. Having a world-class developer jumping in and working on some project without any financial support and with limited interest from community, is something close to a miracle in our world. Miracles happen, but somebody should put a lot of talent and energy for them to happen. Namely to attract good developers and try to revive/recreate the community. Do you see anybody who is going to do that?

To answer to your question in short - no, I do not think we'll have this project revived. Especially now, when it has lost the only exchange, and there is zero financial interest in reviving it. As there is no financial interest, there is practically zero chance any solid developer will join here for long (save for the 'miracle' option). The only good fit for such a project (and a really good fit) - is to be run as a part of a training program in computer science class in universities. So if anyone has any connection to university (professor or student) - step up!

[Ismail123456]

In my opinion there is basically no chance that this project will be revived.

From the point of view of computer science (CS), there is no use for this approach. In theoretical CS we learn how to classify problems in terms of their computational complexity (P, NP, EXP, NEXP,...). We think that some problems in NP are intractable (but we don't know for sure).
Tractable problems (the ones in P) can be solved in reasonable time, while intractable problems cannot be solved in reasonable time in general, no matter how much computational power you throw at those problems (not considering quantum computing). In general there is no hope in trying to solve an intractable problem by guessing, which is what this project is aiming at.
In short: From the point of view of computer science, this is a hopeless approach.

[drays]

In my opinion there is basically no chance that this project will be revived.

From the point of view of computer science (CS), there is no use for this approach. In theoretical CS we learn how to classify problems in terms of their computational complexity (P, NP, EXP, NEXP,...). We think that some problems in NP are intractable (but we don't know for sure).
Tractable problems (the ones in P) can be solved in reasonable time, while intractable problems cannot be solved in reasonable time in general, no matter how much computational power you throw at those problems (not considering quantum computing). In general there is no hope in trying to solve an intractable problem by guessing, which is what this project is aiming at.
In short: From the point of view of computer science, this is a hopeless approach.

Ismail, what makes think this project is aimed at resolution of intractable problems by guessing?

[Ismail123456]

Ismail, what makes think this project is aimed at resolution of intractable problems by guessing?

Maybe I misunderstood something.
What are the types of problems the project aims to solve? You mentioned computer science class in universities, what class could that be?

[drays]

Ismail, what makes think this project is aimed at resolution of intractable problems by guessing?

Maybe I misunderstood something.
What are the types of problems the project aims to solve? You mentioned computer science class in universities, what class could that be?

I wouldn't say I have really good understanding of XEL project's capabilities, but I would put it this way: it can work on tasks which can be programmed in ePL language, which is a bit simplified variant of either Java or C-like language (https://docs.xel.org/learn-epl.html). So basically, if I understand it correctly, if you can code a task on Java, you can probably run it on XEL network using all the computers connected to it, which provide you a computational resource.

However, when speaking about possibility to use the project as a part of training program in computer science class, I meant the project itself, not its capabilities (though they could be used too, if project is polished good enough, and all the necessary features added). I mean something like a distributed computing class, where students can take the code of a computation client in https://github.com/xel-software, examine that, learn it, add missing functionality, fix bugs, and maintain a XEL network. This could provide them with first-hand experience with a working distributed computing solution.

[Ismail123456]

Ismail, what makes think this project is aimed at resolution of intractable problems by guessing?

Maybe I misunderstood something.
What are the types of problems the project aims to solve? You mentioned computer science class in universities, what class could that be?

I wouldn't say I have really good understanding of XEL project's capabilities, but I would put it this way: it can work on tasks which can be programmed in ePL language, which is a bit simplified variant of either Java or C-like language (https://docs.xel.org/learn-epl.html). So basically, if I understand it correctly, if you can code a task on Java, you can probably run it on XEL network using all the computers connected to it, which provide you a computational resource.

However, when speaking about possibility to use the project as a part of training program in computer science class, I meant the project itself, not its capabilities (though they could be used too, if project is polished good enough, and all the necessary features added). I mean something like a distributed computing class, where students can take the code of a computation client in https://github.com/xel-software, examine that, learn it, add missing functionality, fix bugs, and maintain a XEL network. This could provide them with first-hand experience with a working distributed computing solution.

First, ePL doesn't allow for any data structure nor does it has objects. Java is object oriented. You can't compare it with ePL.
Second, the solution of a problem you want to solve by XEL has to be encoded in such a way that one can verify if a given random number is a solution of the problem. XEL works by parallel random guessing, that's how it is.
Third, if you want to use ePL to solve a problem you will most likely need an intermediate step to encode the problem in ePL (for the first two reasons).

I have the impression that no one of the people who actually hold some XEL coins have the slightest understanding of XEL or/and computer science. This is another reason why I think that the project is lost forever without any chance to be revived.

[drays]

Well... thanks for your input. I admit (actually I never said the opposite) indeed this area is outside of what I would describe as the scope of my main interests... In other words, its not what I would voluntarily spend my free time on . I managed to avoid reading  XEL documentation for several years now, but the credit goes to you - you made me read it now

First, ePL doesn't allow for any data structure nor does it has objects. Java is object oriented. You can't compare it with ePL.

Yep, my bad, I somehow had Ethereum in mind when writing about Java. This one is far from Java, but not only because Java is object-oriented. Object-orientation is more of a approach to a programming, than solely a feature of a language. One can easily write object-oriented code in C, despite the fact that C doesn't have explicit constructs for object-oriented programming; like its done in Linux kernel in particular. Similarly, data structures can be easily emulated, if we have an ability to actually name variables. Though of course all this doesn't change the fact that ePL is incomparably less powerful than Java or C, so I agree, I should have been more careful in wording. Sorry for that.

Second, the solution of a problem you want to solve by XEL has to be encoded in such a way that one can verify if a given random number is a solution of the problem. XEL works by parallel random guessing, that's how it is.

Thats something new to me, I had different impression. The example used in the doc is surely pointing to ePL usage the way you described - solely by checking if a random number is a solution to a problem; however I am not yet sure it cannot be used in a different way. Let me read the doc first...

Third, if you want to use ePL to solve a problem you will most likely need an intermediate step to encode the problem in ePL (for the first two reasons).

Sure, that step is needed. But that shouldn't be a big issue, if the task is indeed solvable by the means ePL provides.

I have the impression that no one of the people who actually hold some XEL coins have the slightest understanding of XEL or/and computer science. This is another reason why I think that the project is lost forever without any chance to be revived.

I wouldn't generalize so much... After all, you are here and probably hold some XEL coins; if not - I am ready to send you some, so we'll have a XEL holder with some understanding of XEL or/and computer science . Jokes aside, some (few) definitely have some knowledge, but no interest in XEL specifically. Unfortunately, this place is mostly inhabited by traders and speculators, rather than people who have genuine interest, and moreover, a working knowledge in this technology. In general, I suppose the huge number of different altcoin projects contribute to the fact that it is not attractive for someone to focus on a single project, by spending considerable time to read and dive deep into details, while new projects and opportunities pop all the time. At least it is/was true regarding myslef, in particular; though I cannot be sure about others. The result is what we have now, and I wrote that a bit earlier - this project has almost zero chances to survive in this environment.

to be continued... still reading the ePL doc... could take a while with my English and lack of free time...