Do Provably fair slots exist?

[Shova]

I don't know about every of them but bitvest do provide a provably fair slot and they do have an instruction on how to prove that. They just have a five reel slot with no variations.


"Take 2 hex digits, convert to decimal and divide it by 64, keeping only the remainder. Do this 5 times. Each result determines how many spots from the top the top of the reel will stop. If you reach the end of the reel, loop around and take the first and second items to fill in the remaining spaces."

[Avirunes]

They do exist, here's a few casinos that have their own slots and they have a detailed explanation on how their provably fair works.


BitVest

All results at Bitvest are provably fair. You may use this tool to validate any game, or for an explanation of how hashes are turned into game results.

Crypto-Games

Provably Fair gambling is a technology that is unique to Bitcoin gambling that makes it impossible for a player or casino to cheat.
You no longer have to doubt the house for your every loss. So, whatever game you are playing, you can be confident that the result is fair and accurate given its fairness is provable.
To check each bet, you can click on BetID and you'll receive more detailed information for each individual bet.

Nitrogensports
On Nitrogensports' slots they don't have an explanation but everything that is needed in verifying a bet is provided. Here's a screenshot of what it looks like.

Just for addition, Coinroyale also provides provably fair slot game.
There is also a casino named 8bet.io that provide provably fair slot game as claimed to be the first provably fair slot in this gambling industry although it is a false claim. I haven't tried it yet though, but it seems that their slot is indeed provably fair. Need someone with better knowledge about it to confirm the fairness though.

Another one to add is BitcoinVideoCasino who has a provably fair slot game of their own. You can find about their provably fair in "My Games" section. Not sure if others mentioned have jackpot system but this one really has a good and enticing jackpot. Currently it is 193 BTC.

[Lakai01]

As it doesn't make any sense to use the 'verifier' on their website, which could be compromised.

True that, games are always in the favour of the bank, otherwise they would go bankrupt in no time. Despite showing that their games are provably fair they have for sure algorithms in place which ensure, that the users don't win too often across all games (eg. a jackpot-tracker). You won't be able to tell if a game provider has such a software in place or not.

[ethereumhunter]

As it doesn't make any sense to use the 'verifier' on their website, which could be compromised.

True that, games are always in the favour of the bank, otherwise they would go bankrupt in no time. Despite showing that their games are provably fair they have for sure algorithms in place which ensure, that the users don't win too often across all games (eg. a jackpot-tracker). You won't be able to tell if a game provider has such a software in place or not.

Rather than to search for details about provably fair or not, we could play any game and try to win with our luck. I think provably fair was applied on every gambling site, but the percentage on every one of them will be varied, and I think that is not too important to us if we only want to search of the fun things.

[adzino]

I really like gambling on online slots, but I hate how none seem to be provably fair I have bet a good amount at Fortune Jack.
At first I assumed all the slots on fortune jack were provably fair because they advertise the website as such, but the slots are from providers so they are not or at least there is no way to verify it.
I also use tronbet slots, but its the same deal comes from providers not provably fair. Anyone know of any site with Provably fair slots at all?

Yes, we at crypto-games.net have slot and that game is provably fair! Give it a try if you haven't. We currently support ten different crypto currencies which includes our all time favorite BTC, Ethereum, LTC and Doge coin! If you are having trouble verifying bets at slot in our casino, you can have a look at this  youtube video tutorial .

[Botnake]

They may not be rigged but slots are notorious for having the worst odds among casino games.  Experienced gamblers stick with games like blackjack and leave slots up to the newbies.  Slots are usually used as a way to lure people into their casinos, online casinos give out free spins and real life casinos stick slot machines in their lobby.

The low odds for players will not make people focus on that game, for fun, this is a good way spending time, but don't just expect you'll win in this type of game as that will only frustrate you. Honestly, even at dice where the house edge is very low, I still would not spend much time on it as I can't trust my luck when it's only needed to win such kind of games.

[seleme]

Sure they are, otherwise gamblers will complain and that will run their reputation, the only reason why we are not winning is because the odds of winning in slots are very low, personally I don't focus in this kind of game, if it's hard for me winning in sports, the more the difficult here.

Tell me how to prove their provably fairness in one of slot games you know? by their hash? And now, OP is complaining slot games on fortunejack.

You want a real provably fair, better go to casino man but if you want to play online I suggest better to play with a live casino. To be honest, went i play to gamble on a digital i really don't care about provably fair, the code/bot always chasing the user who plays at their site. The best solution, gamble at E-sport of Match game to get a real probably fair, they can't cheat that.

Even you can get cheated on real casino. You can google it and see how many it already happened. Playing on real casino doesn't mean it has 100% provably fair.

How if you don't think about provably fair slots and only enjoy the game?

What do you feel when you throw away your money on scam site? That's what OP asked.
99% of people want to earn money through gambling and only 1% of them who only play for fun only.

The only way to prove fairness is by checking the hash AFAIK. I have never seen another option and that's why gambling sites offer an hourly 5 times random hash change for better fairness. Slots are the worst way with lower odds to make money in online gambling.

[shoreno]

The only way to prove fairness is by checking the hash AFAIK. I have never seen another option and that's why gambling sites offer an hourly 5 times random hash change for better fairness. Slots are the worst way with lower odds to make money in online gambling.

hash ? The same as tx hash on the chain ? i thought it was seed , you can verify your seed that is given to you once the session is finish  to see if the game is fair or not  . i also notice that the seed changes randomly after everytime your play  but you said it changes only after an hour for five times ?  Thats strange and i dont think if its provably fair anymore  .

[Dreamchaser21]

I really like gambling on online slots, but I hate how none seem to be provably fair I have bet a good amount at Fortune Jack.
At first I assumed all the slots on fortune jack were provably fair because they advertise the website as such, but the slots are from providers so they are not or at least there is no way to verify it.
I also use tronbet slots, but its the same deal comes from providers not provably fair. Anyone know of any site with Provably fair slots at all?

I don’t think so, all the slots have the higher odds to the house and for sure its either 70% for them and 30% for the gamblers to earn profit so its really not fair. This is how gambling works with a great edge for the house, they make business to make profit so I don’t think there’s a fair slots at all.

[STT]

The odds on the bet have to be considered and a proper average of a hundred rolls have to be taken before assuming any kind of bias.    A quick glance could look negative if the bets being taken were all extremely narrow, if its a coin flip bet and every return is one way then that would be surprising for 50/50 odds but not when people are wanting to 10x their money and take a high risk bet.

The boring answer is it has to be totalled up and weighted to the odds on each bet to really assess even quickly if that batch of bets shown was really 'off' or not

[jongchan4256]

It is an important point.

1. You need to know whether you have a licensed game provider or are famous in the industry.

2. The hash value tells fairness, but there is also doubt about manipulation. For example, there are 15 consecutive cases in the dice.

[Ucy]

Is this about online betting on physical slot machine? I remember asking thesame thing here , that is, how can provable fair be used on such thing? I guess machine would need 24/7 surveillance cameras that is available to the public. And the owners could get some sort of public recommended auditors to audit the machine. And the whole auditing process transparently done in front of the public using the surveillance cameras..
This could be a fair alternative to online provable fair. who knows?

[DabsPoorVersion]

It is hard to determine if the slot machine is fair or not, but the thing is, you can find another type of game like card games so you can at least stop feeling cheated. I rarely play slots since I have the same issues as you.

I really like gambling on online slots, but I hate how none seem to be provably fair I have bet a good amount at Fortune Jack.
At first I assumed all the slots on fortune jack were provably fair because they advertise the website as such, but the slots are from providers so they are not or at least there is no way to verify it.
I also use tronbet slots, but its the same deal comes from providers not provably fair. Anyone know of any site with Provably fair slots at all?

Dude slots are interesting and you can even win them, but nevertheless many casinos are cheating and so before you start playing I would advise you to find a reliable casino that will not change the outcome. I advise you to read reviews about casinos in malaysia and find yourself profitable option. After you find reliable honest casinos, you can develop your own strategy and constantly win in slots

He is asking if we know any site with fair slots, so why recommending him to find at all. He is asking because it seems like anywhere he plays he feel cheated. BTW, Looking at the reviews can't help him since it is hard to determine if the online slots are cheating or not using that.

[nakamura12]

As what previous answers. Yes it does exist. Many people have check it if it's provably fair. Most results from checking the slots fairness have been shared and it's purely random but not all is what we have expected where some are manipulated by the site owners which is not good. Play at your own risk.

[ralle14]

It is hard to determine if the slot machine is fair or not, but the thing is, you can find another type of game like card games so you can at least stop feeling cheated. I rarely play slots since I have the same issues as you.

Checking any slot games to know if it's provably fair or not is very easy. They usually provide the information on how to check the bets fairness and you can use a different verifier to double check it. The problem with most slots is they're from 3rd party providers making it impossible to verify you can't find any information on each bet and we just have to take their word that the games are being monitored to give out the mentioned numbers.

[Kenric Tran]

It is hard to determine if the slot machine is fair or not, but the thing is, you can find another type of game like card games so you can at least stop feeling cheated. I rarely play slots since I have the same issues as you.

Checking any slot games to know if it's provably fair or not is very easy. They usually provide the information on how to check the bets fairness and you can use a different verifier to double check it. The problem with most slots is they're from 3rd party providers making it impossible to verify you can't find any information on each bet and we just have to take their word that the games are being monitored to give out the mentioned numbers.

My answer is No for this topic, even on the crypto casino. Many many casinos don't have a provably fair system, some claim to have, but it's not a truly provably fair. This article will answer why.
https://medium.com/ginar-io/what-is-provably-fair-does-it-really-work-in-cs-go-gambling-fc32bc9d52a2

We are looking for a truly decentralized RNG which certified and on-chain verifiably for any game outcome.

[panjul07]

It is hard to determine if the slot machine is fair or not, but the thing is, you can find another type of game like card games so you can at least stop feeling cheated. I rarely play slots since I have the same issues as you.

Checking any slot games to know if it's provably fair or not is very easy. They usually provide the information on how to check the bets fairness and you can use a different verifier to double check it. The problem with most slots is they're from 3rd party providers making it impossible to verify you can't find any information on each bet and we just have to take their word that the games are being monitored to give out the mentioned numbers.

My answer is No for this topic, even on the crypto casino. Many many casinos don't have a provably fair system, some claim to have, but it's not a truly provably fair. This article will answer why.
https://medium.com/ginar-io/what-is-provably-fair-does-it-really-work-in-cs-go-gambling-fc32bc9d52a2

We are looking for a truly decentralized RNG which certified and on-chain verifiably for any game outcome.

Why NO? We have some actually, slot game at Stake, Crypto-games and Bitvest. They are provably fair slot games that can be verified.
I think you are referring to those crypto casinos that provides slot games from 3rd party providers.
Indeed they are not truly provably fair as they are probably fair only if I understand it correctly.
I heard that Stake will have more slot games next year, so we will have more provably fair slot games once Stake release their new slot game.

[Kenric Tran]

It is hard to determine if the slot machine is fair or not, but the thing is, you can find another type of game like card games so you can at least stop feeling cheated. I rarely play slots since I have the same issues as you.

Checking any slot games to know if it's provably fair or not is very easy. They usually provide the information on how to check the bets fairness and you can use a different verifier to double check it. The problem with most slots is they're from 3rd party providers making it impossible to verify you can't find any information on each bet and we just have to take their word that the games are being monitored to give out the mentioned numbers.

My answer is No for this topic, even on the crypto casino. Many many casinos don't have a provably fair system, some claim to have, but it's not a truly provably fair. This article will answer why.
https://medium.com/ginar-io/what-is-provably-fair-does-it-really-work-in-cs-go-gambling-fc32bc9d52a2

We are looking for a truly decentralized RNG which certified and on-chain verifiably for any game outcome.

Why NO? We have some actually, slot game at Stake, Crypto-games and Bitvest. They are provably fair slot games that can be verified.
I think you are referring to those crypto casinos that provides slot games from 3rd party providers.
Indeed they are not truly provably fair as they are probably fair only if I understand it correctly.
I heard that Stake will have more slot games next year, so we will have more provably fair slot games once Stake release their new slot game.

Stake one of the best Crypto sites where you can trust to play, but the way Stake generates the random number still manipulable. They utilize the cryptographic hash function HMAC_SHA256 on a client seed + a server seed + a nonce to generate bytes which are then used as the foundation for how they generate provably fair random outcomes on their platform, but the server seed is generated by their system as a random 64-character hex string, then can we trust the random outcome?

[Debonaire217]

It is an important point.

1. You need to know whether you have a licensed game provider or are famous in the industry.

2. The hash value tells fairness, but there is also doubt about manipulation. For example, there are 15 consecutive cases in the dice.

The consecutive cases in the dice will not determine manipulation at all, because in real life you could have consecutive fortune in a span of time, it really depends, so if we see some winnings, it is purely because of luck because as you said, they are utilizing hash value to get the outcome and to make it fair for people. And we all know hashing is a good security feature every system should have.

[YuginKadoya]

Why search for a fair slot? if the manner of gameplay would be a chance kind of things and we may say that the nature of such games is not pretty much hidden did we think that playing luck-based games could be fair enough well It will surely depend on the base of judgment I think Because In my perspective luck-based games like these aren't fair at all they can surely hide the pretty much system they used and that is the house edge because it always wins.

But judging from a gamblers point of view there are fair share gambling site that surely exists and the amount of fun they had in it is pretty much excitement, and that includes many long-time sites that are trusted by many users of this forum.