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June 10, 2019, 02:39:56 AM
Last edit: June 14, 2019, 06:54:22 PM by Quickseller
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 #1

As it is known by a decent number of people, the Stake.com signature campaign is causing some problems with the amount of spam and junk posts it is generating.

I had a little bit of free time today, and decided to put this into numbers.

As some have complained about, there is no public spreadsheet with stake signature campaign participants, so it is difficult to know for sure who is in the campaign. For the purposes of this thread, I am assuming anyone who submitted an application, and is currently wearing a signature that contains "stake.com" they are in the campaign. There were only a small number of participants who it is apparent were not immidiately accepted into the campaign, and this mostly appears to be because of missed applications.  

To obtain the number of posts have been deleted written by each forum member, I used bpip.org, and the data is starting from whenever they started keeping track of the number of deleted posts, presumably approximately a year ago.

Based on the above, there are 173 participants in the stake signature campaign.

In regards to merit, the stake signature campaign has not attracted very high merit posters:
Of Stake.com signature campaign participants:
Average Merit: 9.74566474
Median Merit: 3
Number of participants with:
Above 20 Merit: 22 12.17%
Above 30 Merit: 15 8.09%
Above 50 Merit: 5 2.89%
Under 5 merit: 106 61.27%
1 or less merit: 69 39.88%

The stake.com signature campaign participants have had a lot of posts deleted:
Of Stake.com signature campaign participants:
Average number of deleted posts: 11.9017341
Median number of deleted posts: 6
Number of participants with:
Above 5 deleted posts: 87 50.28%
>10 deleted posts: 52 30.05%
> 50 Delete posts: 10 5.78%

I am not sure what the circumstances were in regards to why these people had their posts deleted. For example, if they had an active sales thread open for a long time and forgot to delete some old bumps, it might not be a huge deal to have some posts deleted.

I did not run the names of who applied for their signature campaign up against users who are currently banned, however while looking through their signature campaign thread, I saw many users who had their signature blanked out, which is an indication the person may be permabanned. I did not keep track of the number of these people, but I would estimate a solid 20-30 users had their signature blanked out who had applied to participate in the stake.com signature campaign. (I would estimate this would make up about 15% of the number of participants).

I also have many anecdotal examples of people wearing stake.com signatures either posting nonsense, or posting something that clearly indicates they have not read the thread, and their posts have not been removed as of when I read their posts.  

Based on the above, I think some, or all of the below should happen:
*Stake.com signatures should be banned/disallowed/blacklisted for a period of time -- this is based on both the high number of deleted posts spread among many wearing the stake.com signature, and the high number of people who applied for the stake.com campaign who are apparently permabanned now.
*Those who are currently wearing stake.com signatures should be cross referenced against those who are currently banned to check for ban evasion -- this is based on the high percentage of participants who have earned zero or a single merit, which I believe to be an indication of farmers.
*The merit history of the below people should be reviewed for possible abuse, based on the below numbers.
*The below people should be considered for a temp/perma ban, if they have not previously been banned for low quality posts + paid signature AND have not subsequently had a large number of their posts deleted

Needs to be reviewed for merit abuse:
Bitinity merit received: 56 | Posts deleted: 29
LUCKMCFLY merit received: 40 | Posts deleted: 51
Haunebu merit received: 34 | Posts deleted: 30
cryptjh merit received: 23 | Posts deleted: 35
alisafidel58 merit received: 26 | Posts deleted: 32
r1a2y3m4 merit received: 19 | Posts deleted: 22
CryptoBry merit received: 39 | Posts deleted: 29
jake zyrus merit received: 21 | Posts deleted: 26
Yatsan merit received: 40 | Posts deleted: 94
Adriano2010 merit received 40 | Posts deleted: 94

Needs to be reviewed for a temp/perma ban:
blockman Posts Deleted: 42
mrdeposit Posts Deleted: 45
Bitinity Posts Deleted: 29
steampunkz Posts Deleted: 54
LUCKMCFLY Posts Deleted: 51 (should be in below list if there is merit abuse)
xvids Posts Deleted: 42
Haunebu Posts Deleted: 30
Adriano2010 Posts Deleted: 56
lyks15 Posts Deleted: 93 (should be in below list if there is merit abuse)
cryptjh Posts Deleted: 35
alisafidel58 Posts Deleted: 32
Ximoandali Posts Deleted: 28
CryptoBry Posts Deleted: 29
Yatsan Posts Deleted: 94 (should be in below list if there is merit abuse)

The following people should be reviewed for a permaban, and should be permabanned unless there are some kind of special circumstances (such as many of their deleted posts are old bumps, or other posts that are not "spam"):
Catmurs Posts Deleted: 127
Akshat21 Posts Deleted: 110
okala Posts Deleted: 64
furylmz Posts Deleted: 58
Carrelmae10 Posts Deleted: 56

Deleted posts are deleted by moderators.

corrected above lists to match information from my spreadsheet

Edit: June 14// removed request to have Stake signatures blacklisted. I do think checking for ban evasion, merit abuse, and ban review for those who had many posts removed is still appropriate.

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June 10, 2019, 02:40:06 AM
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A representative of stake.com did not immidiately respond to a request for comment.

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June 10, 2019, 02:52:26 AM
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After adjustments months ago, started from that thread: Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam.. It seems that the latest changes on payrates likely a trigger of more spam. It should be discuss, but with effects from the banwave (mainly due to unknown plagiabot activated in early days of May 2019), spammers have been wiped out considerably, and they will definitely be wiped out; I believe that spamming in the forum will naturally decrease.
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After adjustments months ago, started from that thread: Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam.. It seems that the latest changes on payrates likely a trigger of more spam.
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Yes, this is most likely the root cause of why they have so many low quality posters in their campaign, and so few good posters.

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June 10, 2019, 08:10:29 AM
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 #5

It's the worse campaign on the forum now Yobit has gone and I would support signature blacklisting if nothing changes as the spam is everywhere. I've messaged everyone involved with the campaign about the issues it's causing but I'm doubtful anything will change. The low rates coupled with little to no quality control is just being exploited by the worst sorts of posters.

They should probably do a complete overhaul of who is on the campaign. Remove everyone and start again and only accept users who make decent posts. Accepting everyone and anyone is just asking for trouble and it will quickly be abused as it has been. It's much more beneficial to have a handful of quality posters rather than dozens or even hundreds of low quality posters.

This rule should also probably be removed:

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3 posts per thread maximum (you can of course do more but they won't count towards the campaign)


It was probably made with good intentions but all it does is encourage/force users to post in threads they have no interest in. A user could be an expert in football gambling and talk about it all day but he's probably only going to make three posts in that thread then find something else to talk about because there's financial motive to do so. It would be much better to have people post about what they know rather than have them post only three times in one thread and that's probably what is inadvertently causing a lot of this spam but without more quality control and an overhaul of their campaign removing it would do little.





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June 10, 2019, 08:31:34 AM
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They should probably do a complete overhaul of who is on the campaign. Remove everyone and start again and only accept users who make decent posts. Accepting everyone and anyone is just asking for trouble and it will quickly be abused as it has been. It's much more beneficial to have a handful of quality posters rather than dozens or even hundreds of low quality posters.
This will end up being a waste of time as long as they don't hire a proper manager. That's the actual cause of the problem.
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June 10, 2019, 08:38:55 AM
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This will end up being a waste of time as long as they don't hire a proper manager. That's the actual cause of the problem.

Maybe this would be a bit too harsh, but I think that banning the culprit signatures should force them rethink their strategy, including the option to hire a proper manager.

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June 10, 2019, 08:42:48 AM
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This rule should also probably be removed:

Requirements


3 posts per thread maximum (you can of course do more but they won't count towards the campaign)


It was probably made with good intentions but all it does is encourage/force users to post in threads they have no interest in.
I was a part of stake signature as well and for that reason, I have had been added to the telegram group.
No such rule was there at the beginning but later Steve added this rule for couple of weeks but recently the rule was changed, no limit is there.
The root cause of the spam is 1st Page Contest. User with the highest post in 1st page will win the contest. Guess how they jump into the new thread. I have had the chance (if I can recall correctly) to see almost all of the posts by stake campaign participants in the first page of a thread. This is the worst contest I guess. It directly encouraging spam.

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June 10, 2019, 09:26:20 AM
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The root cause of the spam is 1st Page Contest. User with the highest post in 1st page will win the contest. Guess how they jump into the new thread. I have had the chance (if I can recall correctly) to see almost all of the posts by stake campaign participants in the first page of a thread.

I don't see this in their topic, probably they invented quite a few more...
I was always amazed how the stake participants were flocking at the start of the topic and then you would not see a trace of them once you go to page 3 and 4. Quote them, call out their bs, nothing!

Are topic starters counted also? It might explain why CryptoBry has opened 30 in  10 days.
Anyhow, another mystery solved....and I was thinking those posts are so high up cause are lighter than air due to having zero substance  Grin Grin Grin

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I did not run the names of who applied for their signature campaign up against users who are currently banned
I can do that:
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rarkenin (104529) has been Autobanned
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hasyurt (1179426) has been Autobanned
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jamieebotwin (202023) has been Autobanned
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tanvir232 (2162808) has been Autobanned
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kattokassinen (237266) has been Autobanned
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June 10, 2019, 09:47:19 AM
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Are topic starters counted also? It might explain why CryptoBry has opened 30 in  10 days.
No, at least I'm not aware of this type of contest. I have checked the pinned post on telegram but no such contest is listed in the pinned message. If it was, I guess the forum would be flooded within 1 week.
3 types of contest is listed-
1. High quality post
2. 1st page contest (gambling only)
3. 1st page contest (other payable section)

I have had left this campaign because-
1. The rate was tiny.
2. Contest was not in my favor (I didn't like in fact, I have submitted once 5 posts for high quality post contest, no luck with the post)
3. Many were complaining against this campaign.

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June 10, 2019, 09:56:13 AM
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The real problem that is the campaign manager who implementing rules, because if stevestake implementing 25 post per week to get paid like 0.005 bitcoin.  Participants will not force to make more post. Stevestake is a blind person because this campaign manager was greedy to turn stake to become famous fastly. Time to contact the owner of the stake to make changes for that campaign.
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June 10, 2019, 09:58:13 AM
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Time to contact the owner of the stake to make changes for that campaign.
I did, almost 4 months ago:
I've sent Stunna a PM, asking to check this thread.
I forwarded this to Steve and the rest of the Stake team. Obviously there are some valid points highlighted here, there is no doubt that this is creating a huge amount of spam. Hopefully they can make some changes that the community finds agreeable.

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June 10, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
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Time to contact the owner of the stake to make changes for that campaign.
I did, almost 4 months ago:
I've sent Stunna a PM, asking to check this thread.
I forwarded this to Steve and the rest of the Stake team. Obviously there are some valid points highlighted here, there is no doubt that this is creating a huge amount of spam. Hopefully they can make some changes that the community finds agreeable.
All the complain of the participants steve stake ignore that, Contact him to telegram. 

You try contact stevestake? I think time to change campaign manager because that campaign manager was lazy and they did all of this for his own sake.
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No, at least I'm not aware of this type of contest. I have checked the pinned post on telegram but no such contest is listed in the pinned message. If it was, I guess the forum would be flooded within 1 week.
3 types of contest is listed-
1. High quality post
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Out of pure curiosity, are the winning posts mentioned or just the user that has won?
Cause I would love to see what posts have earned this in the past.  Roll Eyes

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June 10, 2019, 10:18:14 AM
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Why did yobit get banned and not stake? That really isnt fair. I hope yobit comes back


129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days.

Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.

Upon looking it looks like, they will be back... Its just the signatures that are blocked....

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June 10, 2019, 10:58:57 AM
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No, at least I'm not aware of this type of contest. I have checked the pinned post on telegram but no such contest is listed in the pinned message. If it was, I guess the forum would be flooded within 1 week.
3 types of contest is listed-
1. High quality post
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Out of pure curiosity, are the winning posts mentioned or just the user that has won?
Cause I would love to see what posts have earned this in the past.  Roll Eyes
Users were mentioned, not the posts. I need to dig a lot to find out but I think some of thehe winning users derserve the post. They didn't spam at least. I have had checked one weel only when I submitted 5 posts for winning the high quality contest. Very few good posters are wearing the stake signature because of the low rate.

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June 10, 2019, 12:25:02 PM
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I messaged SteveStake when I created this thread asking him to comment, and pointing him to this thread. It seems he has responded by creating this thread soliciting reports of signature spammers. 

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It seems he has responded by creating this thread soliciting reports of signature spammers.
I see a confession:
I've been managing the Stake.com signature campaign and I admit I've accepted some low quality posters
"some" Cheesy

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