Amnesty 2019 bitcointalk.org

[sergey1980]

Our forum was founded on November 22, 2009.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinTalk

On November 22, 2019, the forum will be 10 years old!


The meta section is filled with appeal complaints.
Clearing the forum of plagiarism harmed many useful people for the forum who did not abuse the rules.

Many banned users made mistakes 1, 2 and more years ago, and then were useful, helpful members of this forum.
My proposal is that by the 10th anniversary of the forum to give a second chance to people who have asked for forgiveness and with their posts do not harm the forum, the community.

In many countries, there is a tradition to free people who have committed no serious crimes for anniversaries in history.

Theymos and other members of the administration, please show some mercy and review this list
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144410.0

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Clearing the forum of plagiarism harmed many useful people for the forum who did not abuse the rules.

No, They abused the rules... I mean that's why they got banned in the first place right?

In many countries, there is a tradition to free people who have committed no serious crimes for anniversaries in history.
Theymos and other members of the administration, please show some mercy and review this list
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144410.0

I am sure criminals with past serious crimes too don't get such chances in those countries... Do they?
Plagiarism is one of the very few offenses that can get you permabanned in this forum... So it's a very serious crime according to bitcointalk.

I think some of those who deserve a second chance have been granted it so far which I see is fair enough.
Don't forget that 2-3 months ago, chances of getting a permanent ban lifted once you got it were 0.01% so let's acknowledge the new linient approach from the global mods and admin

[YOSHIE]

Amnesty, applies in the prison section, (government) after: getting a sentence of several years, with terms of change and not repeating the suspect's mistakes, and aware of his actions.

Different case, with the Bitcointalk Forum,
There are two, a person's element is prohibited based on the level of error.
1. Permanent prohibition.
2. Prohibition of futures, signatures, one or two years.
I am sure this decision has been taken on the basis of a very professional policy in determining prohibition decisions.
So obey the Forum rules that apply, surely you are safe in the bitcointalk forum.

Remember here nothing lasts forever, everything will disappear, in a matter of days and years.
Some are retiring and some are new, it's already world law.

[sergey1980]

I am sure criminals with past serious crimes too don't get such chances in those countries... Do they?
Plagiarism is one of the very few offenses that can get you permabanned in this forum... So it's a very serious crime according to bitcointalk.

I think some of those who deserve a second chance have been granted it so far which I see is fair enough.
Don't forget that 2-3 months ago, chances of getting a permanent ban lifted once you got it were 0.01% so let's acknowledge the new linient approach from the global mods and admin

The main question is what a criminal is and who is considered a criminal in this forum. I do not want to pour shit on other participants. You can see a lot of respected people who have been promoting scam projects and now they are respected people, and those who copied several posts are now criminals.

My common sense and logic will never understand it.

[creeps]

This is an advance call for our anniversary but amnesty is not applicable in this forum, not unless you have a valid reason to be un-banned which is very rare to happen.

I feel sorry for those who got banned, i can say its very unfortunate but we have to respect the rules every time, this proves that no one is above the rules. 

[Coyster]

You can see a lot of respected people who have been promoting scam projects and now they are respected people, and those who copied several posts are now criminals.

Offences here on the forum attracts different penalties/punishments.
Promotion of scam projects as you claim attracts a red tag from DT members and that's the stipulated punishment for such offense, even though to some degree, scam is unmoderated by the forum.

While plagiarism attracts a permanent ban, that's the rules.
It's clear!

[suchmoon]

The main question is what a criminal is and who is considered a criminal in this forum.

That's because you're attempting to muddy the issue with this hyperbole. Breaking forum rules is not a "crime" and a ban is not a "prison sentence". If a person breaks the rules a lot (e.g. by repeatedly spamming) or in a particularly egregious way (e.g. by copy-pasting or by posting malware) and gets banned they can still go and do that shit elsewhere, in places that allow spamming, plagiarism, malware, etc.

Scams are not moderated and while that's counter-intuitive to many, it allows moderators to be more impartial and the community to label scams via the trust system.

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Two months ago, that same list of ban appeals compiles by @Alex_Sr would have shown a status of 100% banned. Now, nearly a quarter of the cases had a positive outcome in the resolution of their case. All things considered, a partial pardon weighing historical contribution to the forum is a gain, and implies someone spent a fair share of time going through posts and coming across a balanced solution.

I’m not a fan of amnesties, although I do personally find that there could be a date range to apply to the rule set (i.e. plagiarism rule broken in committed over the last the last three years).

[sergey1980]

The main question is what a criminal is and who is considered a criminal in this forum.

That's because you're attempting to muddy the issue with this hyperbole. Breaking forum rules is not a "crime" and a ban is not a "prison sentence". If a person breaks the rules a lot (e.g. by repeatedly spamming) or in a particularly egregious way (e.g. by copy-pasting or by posting malware) and gets banned they can still go and do that shit elsewhere, in places that allow spamming, plagiarism, malware, etc.

Scams are not moderated and while that's counter-intuitive to many, it allows moderators to be more impartial and the community to label scams via the trust system.

What rules are we talking about?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144364.msg51107344#msg51107344
This plagiarism is not even removed from the forum

If banned members are such villains, what prevents them from changing the ip address in the VPN and spread the harm from the new account? These people do not care about the forum and its rules.

But if we talk about the forum and about the actions according to the forum rules, the essence of my appeal is to review the cases of those people whose violations were rare and with their posts they did not harm anyone + they repented and asked for forgiveness

These are 2 completely different situations.

A scammer doesn’t care about his account and the quality of posts, only profit is important to him. And the ban of his account is only a financial loss.

For an ordinary user, who by stupidity (forgetfulness .. and etc.) made a mistake, this is not  a financial loss.

I do not write much and read a lot, but in recent years I have seen a complete degradation and increase in the number of frauds in the largest local forum thread - the Russian one. But the number of useful people is constantly decreasing.

Here is the second paradox