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September 03, 2023, 07:09:47 AM
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So far, yes. There's $17k remaining.
Is anyone wondering what is going to happen with all that leftover money if we don't hear anything from ww owners in near future? Maybe bonus money for manager and everyone else who participated?  Wink

I can't imagine any scammer with half brain would leave all that money without explanation, it looks like obvious loss for them from every possible angle you look.

This is still not our money, I don't think it would be correct to manage other people's money even if these people are scammers. Moreover there could be uncovered other victims and if there will be no funds to resolve their problem because we will decide to take them for bonuses, how would it look like? I don't like the idea.

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September 03, 2023, 07:57:24 AM
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Is anyone wondering what is going to happen with all that leftover money if we don't hear anything from ww owners in near future? Maybe bonus money for manager and everyone else who participated?  Wink


In most escrow contracts, 1%-10% of the value of money is deducted annually, with the full amount confiscated after 20 years. I do not know what escrow conditions are in the case of WWM, but it is better for everyone who received compensation not to spend it.

This reminds us of ‎1.30807482[1] chipmixer escrow Shocked Shocked, I think we need a separate topic.


I can't imagine any scammer with half brain would leave all that money without explanation, it looks like obvious loss for them from every possible angle you look.
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September 04, 2023, 12:19:26 PM
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Here is a different scenario - how would you deal with this:

Service loses money (hack, lost keys, whatever). No worries (for the customers), there is escrow. Service says "we fucked up, escrow please refund our customers". Escrow runs away with the funds and doesn't refund. Whom do you flag and why? Service? Escrow? Both?
That would be seriously fucked up. In this scenario, the escrow deserves a type 3 Flag for sure, to be created by the service. After that, I'd say the service should still refund the customers, or they can create a type 3 Flag against the service. Unless the customers agreed to only rely on the escrow before they paid the service, but that wouldn't make sense.

So it sounds as if we would be flagging the service in this hypothetical scenario even though it didn't scam (in theory; assuming there is no collusion, lying, etc), and some argue that in the WWM scenario the service should not be flagged even though they (presumably) scammed or at least got hit by a bus and had no communication contingency.

There needs to be consistency in how we interpret these implied contracts. I think in both cases the service that took the money and didn't pay back needs to be flagged with one of the contract flags, regardless of what any escrow may or may not do. If you steal something it's a crime regardless if the victim gets an insurance payout. I don't think a new type of flag or even a change in wording is needed, but I'm not a lawyer, just occasionally pretend to be one.
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September 04, 2023, 02:06:13 PM
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If you steal something it's a crime regardless if the victim gets an insurance payout.
Agreed. But "normally", insurance payouts come from all other insured people who pay their premium. In WWM's case, it comes from their own "jar".

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