theymosisms on Trust Flags

[xtraelv]

I feel the biggest problem with the flag system is that while it make clear violations from written contracts a clear violation it doesn't address a whole range of scamming that is common on here.

For instance:

Someone who defaults on one 0.001 BTC loan potentially gets a red flag seen by everyone.

Someone who sells an item to one person and that item doesn't arrive potentially gets a red flag seen by everyone.

Someone who promotes an ICO scam on this forum with a fake team gets a yellow flag seen by newbies only.

Someone who uses a bought account,  fake name, fake credentials and is facing criminal charges before the court while promoting a dubious ICO gets a yellow flag seen by newbies only.



I'd like to see a range of other tags, icons (or a positive version) for things like:

Account sellers

Account buyers.

- or - alternatively an icon for verified accounts.

While account selling isn't against the rules - it is the major motivation for account farming and bought senior accounts contribute to a large portion of scams from senior or trusted accounts.

[Quickseller]

Do you think experienced users are unable to perform their own research and come to their own conclusions?

Or, are you unhappy that you can no longer impose your opinions on everyone else?

[malevolent]

Anyone who's been here long enough to not have the newbie flags shown to them (7 days of log in time), is knowledgeable enough to visit a given user's Trust page before doing business with them.

- or - alternatively an icon for verified accounts.

What do you mean by 'verified'? KYC?

[xtraelv]

Do you think experienced users are unable to perform their own research and come to their own conclusions?

Or, are you unhappy that you can no longer impose your opinions on everyone else?

Not everyone researches everyone or everything.

What is the problem with labeling account sellers and buyers ?

Car dealers have advertising. Second hand cars have ownership history.

It doesn't have to be a warning. It could just be a smiley face sticker saying "this account has changed owners" or " this member sells accounts".


I have not tagged account buyers or sellers unless one of the accounts has resulted in someone getting scammed.

I do think that account buying is a bad idea. The previous owner or new owner could potentially expose the other owners to serious legal scrutiny if the account is used for a scam.

Anyone who's been here long enough to not have the newbie flags shown to them (7 days of log in time), is knowledgeable enough to visit a given user's Trust page before doing business with them.

- or - alternatively an icon for verified accounts.

What do you mean by 'verified'? KYC?

Perhaps by a signed bitcoin message and another member that will vouch for the member.

[malevolent]

Perhaps by a signed bitcoin message and another member that will vouch for the member.

It could lull people into a false sense of security. Some accounts sellers are already selling accounts with connected email accounts, and with private keys associated with addresses posted on the forum.

[Quickseller]

A second hand car will not necessarily have a history of every owner and this history is generally only available for potential buyers, not anyone riding in the car, or driving next to the car.

Further, as malevolent mentioned, there is no guarantee the forum will detect every sold account. If someone takes an extended break from the forum, it would be very difficult to tell if the same owner is still using their account.

If you have a concern about the safety of trading with someone, you should create a reputation thread and voice your concerns. Others can chime in and the person can defend himself. You would need to defend your position. Anyone considering to trade with the person can come to their own conclusions.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Car dealers have advertising. Second hand cars have ownership history.

Account dealers are in no way car dealers, and we are not advertising them in anyway by creating trust flags.

Bought accounts are even not like second hand cars, as car ownership changes are recorded with the government, but account ownership changes are not record with the forum administration or anywhere else.

A second hand car will not necessarily have a history of every owner and this history is generally only available for potential buyers, not anyone riding in the car, or driving next to the car.

This also does not relate to trust flags, as car ownership are more of an written contracts and the current owner is trackable, while on the other had accounts here can change hands without even getting noticed.