PM from admin demanding to exclude a certain user

[Lauda]

Lauda said:

The system is terrible. Other's have followed in blindly on that flag not knowing/understanding the full stupidity of the system (or just for the sake of testing - see yahoo's post) at the time. I wasn't sure of how bad the implications of it either, i.e. it's much more worse than I originally thought. Now that that has sorted (there is no support on the flag), it's all good. I'm fine with a blacklist if mr. theymos wants to. All flags created after that are fully valid; maybe only not the flag on BSV.

You literally asked to me removed, didn't you?

I did not ask for anything. I said that I'd accept it for the greater good or as proof of fake-decentralization.

Ah ok, I was just asking.
No problem for me, thanks.

No worries. The flag is a mistake; I'm not insisting on it nor have I asked for support on it after realizing that isn't proper use of the current "rules". I am, however, insisting that the system is fundamentally flawed now (much worse than where were before).

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[SaltySpitoon]

Fair point. I would however, at this point question the trustworthiness and honesty of anyone who cried "bullying" about me but does not do the same now regarding this PM.

Again, people can question the trustworthiness and honesty of anyone based on their own opinion. People who cried about you bullying them either have those that support, oppose, or don't care about their opinion. You could say that Theymos is "bullying" other users now if you want, and similar groups will form that either support, oppose, or don't care.

Theymos is not an absolute detached party from trust, and not unreasonably far out of reach of having the same authority as DT. While I don't know for certain what would happen if everyone decided to exclude Theymos, I doubt he'd have a fit and rig the system so that others would have to listen to him. Given that hes essentially just another member of DT, I don't think its unreasonable for him to share his opinion with others or ask for their consideration regarding this matter the same way that its reasonable for you or any other member to do so.

[suchmoon]

Theymos' pm to me contained a recommendation, not a demand, and I'll treat it as such.

Reminds me when the school principal recommended me to flush the pack of Marlboro reds down the toilet in lieu of other consequences.

Your pm was about more than one user, or is this just a turn of phrase?

Just Lauda. I edited the OP. My initial thinking was that this might be an ongoing strategy but since we have only one example let's make it singular.

You literally asked to be removed, didn't you?

I don't think Lauda meant "theymos, please send a PM to everyone and recommend them to exclude me" but that's not quite the point. theymos has the power to blacklist and should use it if he deems appropriate. Exclusions should be voluntary.

[El duderino_]

The flags are just implemented and could work better, as the directly crazy red tagg's so a new member is already afraid whiteout knowing anything of that persons real trades

Also not because the flags are here today that means dozens of people need to be instant red flagged ...

Need to give this new system e proper time.... instead of already writing it out.

[Lauda]

Perhaps he should just blacklist anyone who keeps lauda in their trust list.

He was trying to convince others to agree with him.

All blacklisting would do is exclude someone from being DT1. He would have to completely overhaul the system to make it impossible for any DT1 member to include someone in their trust list, therefore making that person DT2.

He can blacklist on both levels, no?

[Anduck]

Given that hes essentially just another member of DT

You are delusional to think that people see theymos as "just another member of DT" or that he would actually be just a member of DT.

[tmfp]

Theymos' pm to me contained a recommendation, not a demand, and I'll treat it as such.

Reminds me when the school principal recommended me to flush the pack of Marlboro reds down the toilet in lieu of other consequences.

I know j/k, but in this case what are the "other consequences" of failure to act on his recommendation?
Theymos excludes me because I decide not to exclude Lauda?
the tmfp account vanishes as if it were never there?
I should stop answering the door/phone?
What?

[TECSHARE]

Since the "Lauda PM" is now public knowledge let me just state that this sort of thing - forum owner/admin sending a PM demanding "recommending" to exclude a certain user from my trust network - is deeply unwelcome. Theymos can blacklist anyone he wants, there is no need for him to coerce others into doing this. At the very least this call for action should have been done publicly. I want to put this out in case anyone wants to exclude (or blacklist  ) me for this opinion.

Not sure if this is more a Meta topic or a Reputation topic, feel free to move as appropriate.

Funny, none of you had any objection whatsoever when the same was done in my case.

[suchmoon]

He can blacklist on both levels, no?

Possibly. But the two known blacklisted users (marlboroza and mikeywith) have been removed only from DT1 and are still in DT2.

I know j/k, but in this case what are the "other consequences" of failure to act on his recommendation?
Theymos excludes me because I decide not to exclude Lauda?
the tmfp account vanishes as if it were never there?
I should stop answering the door/phone?
What?

Calling your parents, duh

Actually I don't know, in either case. The principal never told me. Theymos didn't either. Both have the power to do unpleasant things to me. Thus the stupid analogy.

Funny, none of you had any objection whatsoever when the same was done in my case.

Funny indeed. He didn't PM me about you, I wonder why.

[Lauda]

He can blacklist on both levels, no?

Possibly. But the two known blacklisted users (marlboroza and mikeywith) have been removed only from DT1 and are still in DT2.

So what exactly would blacklisting me from DT1 accomplish if I left a false flag? This makes even less sense.

[otrkid1970]

He can blacklist on both levels, no?

Possibly. But the two known blacklisted users (marlboroza and mikeywith) have been removed only from DT1 and are still in DT2.

So what exactly would blacklisting me from DT1 accomplish if I left a false flag? This makes even less sense.

You do nothing but abuse DT...You deserve a ban from it

This quote is funny to me

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[ChemicalSpillage]

You do nothing but abuse DT...You deserve a ban from it

Preconceived notions and biases do not often mix well with quality discussion.

[TECSHARE]

Funny, none of you had any objection whatsoever when the same was done in my case.

Funny indeed. He didn't PM me about you, I wonder why.

Probably because I was never on your trust list, but those that had me on their trust list were requested to exclude me, and not a peep of objection from any of you objecting here today was heard.

[mindrust]

This is drama on steroids.

Please no more.

Now there is a lauda PM asks me to exclude theymos.

WHAT AM I GUNNA DOOO

edit: since I did the opposite of what theymos asked, I guess I'll add theymos to my trust list. 

[Lauda]

He can blacklist on both levels, no?

Possibly. But the two known blacklisted users (marlboroza and mikeywith) have been removed only from DT1 and are still in DT2.

So what exactly would blacklisting me from DT1 accomplish if I left a false flag? This makes even less sense.

You do nothing but abuse DT...You deserve a ban from it

Blacklisting me from DT1 would accomplish nothing, especially not if this "gang" exists.

Now there is a lauda PM asks me to exclude theymos.

WHAT AM I GUNNA DOOO

I don't ask, I suggest. Read the last part again. Have fun. <3

[Blazed]

Given that hes essentially just another member of DT

You are delusional to think that people see theymos as "just another member of DT" or that he would actually be just a member of DT.

Agreed, Theymos is not a regular user at all. I decided to just remove my entire list and get removed from this whole DT disaster moving forward. The never ending drama of this stuff has gotten old and just ignoring it all makes life easier.

[suchmoon]

So what exactly would blacklisting me from DT1 accomplish if I left a false flag? This makes even less sense.

Dunno, maybe that's why he wants you "~"-ed instead of blacklisted so that you'd be gone from DT2 as well.

[redsn0w]

This is drama on steroids.

Please no more.

Now there is a lauda PM asks me to exclude theymos.

WHAT AM I GUNNA DOOO

it's just a joke!

[bones261]

Perhaps he should just blacklist anyone who keeps lauda in their trust list.

He was trying to convince others to agree with him.

All blacklisting would do is exclude someone from being DT1. He would have to completely overhaul the system to make it impossible for any DT1 member to include someone in their trust list, therefore making that person DT2.

He can blacklist on both levels, no?

Oops, I just deleted that message because I realized that if he blacklists everyone that includes you from DT1, then you would be excluded from DT2 as well. However, if he did not take that extreme measure, I believe he would have to do a tweek on the system, so if a DT1 member included someone on the blacklist, it doesn't add them to the DT2 list.

[Lauda]

So what exactly would blacklisting me from DT1 accomplish if I left a false flag? This makes even less sense.

Dunno, maybe that's why he wants you "~"-ed instead of blacklisted so that you'd be gone from DT2 as well.

Good point. However, my main argument is that blacklisting me for this would destroy all the efforts he made to decentralize the system so far. Therefore, he chose that path. I would doubt any claim that he can't single-handedly blacklist on both levels.

since I did the opposite of what theymos asked, I guess I'll add theymos to my trust list. 

Very fair deal, but my reasoning was far wider and superior than his.