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June 24, 2019, 01:52:01 AM
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This is true, I'm connected to trusted seller for finding a buyer so that I would have a commission to him. The account was owned or was bought and up to sell it, It was discourage by the forum because of the spam however it's not definitely against the rules isn't? Why would you ban an account that's up for sale? isn't the only one who should be tagged is the seller for selling an account?


Last question, the OP can be trusted? wherein a matter of privacy was leaked? The OP REVEAL A CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION  and didn't know the value of privacy does this person should be trusted by anyone? even if the selling of account is illegal the OP should respected the matter of privacy of two parties. We know it was discouraged by the forum but not totally a major offense in here. The main offense I think if it started to post spam posts, used the account to join on single campaign, the account was used for scamming and illegal works but up for selling? i don't know.

PS. A lot of people here didn't see the situation, they thought thought that we should be tagged for selling which is not an offense but only discourage and they praised the person who leaks a confidential information and must be trusted?
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June 24, 2019, 06:56:03 AM
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Why would you ban an account that's up for sale?

No one bans these accounts.

They receive a negative trust rating, because they are not to be trusted.


The account is not banned and can be still used the same way. But other people have to be warned that the so-called 'hero member with +6 trust' is just a sold account and anyone could be the owner.



isn't the only one who should be tagged is the seller for selling an account?

No. The account itself needs to be tagged.

Using a bought and higher rank account lets other user think that the person is trustworthy (especially the account with +6 trust rating).
If the account is being sold, the account holder can not be trusted at all because it could be anyone without any effort being put into 'his' account. And therefore the negative trust rating.



Last question, the OP can be trusted? wherein a matter of privacy was leaked? The OP REVEAL A CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION 

Information about an potential trade was made public.
This is absolutely fine. You never told me to keep that confidential.

I am free to share my own chat history.



PS. A lot of people here didn't see the situation

I have uploaded the screenshots of the whole conversation. Anyone who wants to see it, can see it.



they thought thought that we should be tagged for selling which is not an offense but only discourage and they praised the person who leaks a confidential information and must be trusted?

Making my own chat history public and warning others (especially newbies) about fake higher-rank member means that i am untrustworthy in monetary terms?
Not really..

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June 24, 2019, 08:18:09 PM
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WTF is going on here? Mindtrust, remove your negative feedback. My account isn't for sale. And I also did not got hacked, but I'm going to change my password right now, just to be sure!

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June 24, 2019, 08:28:34 PM
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WTF is going on here? Mindtrust, remove your negative feedback. My account isn't for sale. And I also did not got hacked, but I'm going to change my password right now, just to be sure!

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You believe this screen shot is fake? I'd like to hear more about it.

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June 24, 2019, 08:37:45 PM
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Yeah, I'm really surprised. I have no explanation for that but my account is NOT for sale! And I changed the password a few minutes ago.
How can I find out wheter I got hacked? I don't have these messages in the outbox,  I haven't even used this account for weeks...

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June 24, 2019, 08:40:08 PM
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Yeah, I'm really surprised. I have no explanation for that but my account is NOT for sale! And I changed the password a few minutes ago.
How can I find out wheter I got hacked? I don't have these messages in the outbox,  I haven't even used this account for weeks...

You can't know if you were hacked. There is no email notification if someone else logs into your account so you can't just say "I wasn't hacked"

If you weren't hacked that means It was you who sent those PM's which make things even worse.

Now you need to verify if you really are the original owner of the account. Signing a message from an old address would work.




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June 24, 2019, 08:42:47 PM
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Yeah, I'm really surprised. I have no explanation for that but my account is NOT for sale! And I changed the password a few minutes ago.
How can I find out wheter I got hacked? I don't have these messages in the outbox,  I haven't even used this account for weeks...
Unfortunately, there is no way to prove that you did not send that message unless we pry into your every detail of your life during the surrounding period.

There is no way to differentiate a user that sent the message and is now lying about not sending the message and one that didn't send the message (where some other entity did)

And it is mindrust.

The T is silent.
Cool, thanks mindrus'

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June 24, 2019, 08:45:16 PM
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Now you need to verify if you really are the original owner of the account. Signing a message from an old address would work.

I have some old addresses from 2015 or even 2013 to sign. But that wouldn't proof anything. I'm not the only one with some old addresses.

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June 24, 2019, 08:46:48 PM
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Yeah, I'm really surprised. I have no explanation for that but my account is NOT for sale! And I changed the password a few minutes ago.
How can I find out wheter I got hacked? I don't have these messages in the outbox,  I haven't even used this account for weeks...
Unfortunately, there is no way to prove that you did not send that message unless we pry into your every detail of your life during the surrounding period.

There is no way to differentiate a user that sent the message and is now lying about not sending the message and one that didn't send the message (where some other entity did)

And it is mindrust.

The T is silent.
Cool, thanks mindrus'

Wrong "t" bruh.




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June 24, 2019, 08:47:59 PM
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Another option is to reach out to the Cryptios team. They have access to some IP data for users and their accounts when they log in, to help with account recoveries or lock accounts that seem to be acting suspicious. Not sure if they will respond but that's the route I would go to clear my name in this situation.

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June 24, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
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Now you need to verify if you really are the original owner of the account. Signing a message from an old address would work.

I have some old addresses from 2015 or even 2013 to sign. But that wouldn't proof anything. I'm not the only one with some old addresses.

That doesn't make sense.

Your private key belongs (and should) to you and you only.  (you need to have had posted that address sometime in the past in the forum, so we'll know if that's really you)

Might be an address you used to join a giveaway, sig camp. whatever.




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June 24, 2019, 08:49:44 PM
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That doesn't make sense.

Your private key belongs (and should) to you and you only.
Unless they're alluding to the fact that some sellers provide the staked key along with the account sale?

Wrong "t" bruh.
Ah, so mintrus right?

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June 24, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
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That doesn't make sense.

Your private key belongs (and should) to you and you only.
Unless they're alluding to the fact that some sellers provide the staked key along with the account sale?

Wrong "t" bruh.
Ah, so mintrus right?

Hmm... So IP check is a better solution I guess.

Never use a password you used before on any website. Databases are getting hacked daily.




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June 24, 2019, 08:52:38 PM
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Another option is to reach out to the Cryptios team. They have access to some IP data for users and their accounts when they log in, to help with account recoveries or lock accounts that seem to be acting suspicious. Not sure if they will respond but that's the route I would go to clear my name in this situation.

Thanks for that. I will contact him tomorrow, it's late here in Germany....

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June 24, 2019, 08:55:13 PM
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Thanks for that. I will contact him tomorrow, it's late here in Germany....

No problem. It's the only way to really provide insight that it wasn't you. Not definitive as far as I know but helpful especially if they logged in from half way around the world. Unless you were doing some form of 24 hour live stream but that's unlikely.

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June 24, 2019, 08:58:13 PM
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Another option is to reach out to the Cryptios team. They have access to some IP data for users and their accounts when they log in, to help with account recoveries or lock accounts that seem to be acting suspicious. Not sure if they will respond but that's the route I would go to clear my name in this situation.
I don’t think he needs to prove his innocence. The OP needs to prove guilt. He can report the PMs to a moderator who can authenticate the PMs.

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June 24, 2019, 09:11:39 PM
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I don’t think he needs to prove his innocence. The OP needs to prove guilt. He can report the PMs to a moderator who can authenticate the PMs.

I don't know that Admins would take the time to authenticate the PM's. I would say OP showed their work on this just fine using the screenshot of the PM's they were able to receive in an attempt to prove availability of accounts for sale. That being said zackie has been shown a way to prove their claims that they were hacked didn't notice and then came back to see the tag. What more proof would you be looking for apart from the image showing received PM's? There are also chat logs to back them up.

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June 24, 2019, 09:16:10 PM
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I don’t think he needs to prove his innocence. The OP needs to prove guilt. He can report the PMs to a moderator who can authenticate the PMs.

I don't know that Admins would take the time to authenticate the PM's. I would say OP showed their work on this just fine using the screenshot of the PM's they were able to receive in an attempt to prove availability of accounts for sale. That being said zackie has been shown a way to prove their claims that they were hacked didn't notice and then came back to see the tag. What more proof would you be looking for apart from the image showing received PM's? There are also chat logs to back them up.
It is trivial to fake a screenshot....they have been faked in the past few months.

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June 24, 2019, 09:23:57 PM
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It is trivial to fake a screenshot....they have been faked in the past few months.

Correct but usually there is a motive or something to gain from doing so for people who are inclined to try and spread the lies. I don't see any reason for that here, if nothing there is immensely more to lose from pulling those sort of shenanigans. So taken in context I believe the screenshots to be authentic. So in this instance I would ask again what you would need to see for proof?
I'm always interested to find more ways to authenticate online conversations, good tools to have with all the he said she said stuff that goes on.

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June 24, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
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WTF is going on here? Mindtrust, remove your negative feedback. My account isn't for sale. And I also did not got hacked, but I'm going to change my password right now, just to be sure!
Is the PM in your outbox?

Check your IP log:
For now, I added this page where you can see your IP logs for the past 30 days: https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php . You could pretty easily write a userscript to periodically check this and warn you if it's weird. (But don't scrape it on every pageload.)

I don't want to make older IP logs automatically accessible because that'd give a hacker a bunch of useful/sensitive information. But 30 days is probably not too harmful.

I don’t think he needs to prove his innocence. The OP needs to prove guilt. He can report the PMs to a moderator who can authenticate the PMs.
I don't know that Admins would take the time to authenticate the PM's.
If bob123 gives me access to his throw away account alice321, I'll confirm the PM (if it's there Tongue ).

I have some old addresses from 2015 or even 2013 to sign.
It has to be an address posted in an unedited old post.

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