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June 24, 2019, 11:11:58 PM
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Is the PM in your outbox?

I don't have these messages in the outbox

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June 25, 2019, 07:30:14 AM
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Yeah, I'm really surprised. I have no explanation for that but my account is NOT for sale! And I changed the password a few minutes ago.
How can I find out wheter I got hacked? I don't have these messages in the outbox,  I haven't even used this account for weeks...

What a coincidence  Roll Eyes

I hope you understand that this is hard to believe.. especially since you didn't post in the last ~8 months and coincidentally came online yesterday  Cheesy

I don't see a way you can proof this certainly wasn't you or someone you tasked with selling your account.

A signed message only shows that this is really you at the moment.
And IP logs only show whether you used the same IP to log in. This doesn't say anything about someone you tasked with selling your account or a VPN / proxy you might have used.



I don’t think he needs to prove his innocence. The OP needs to prove guilt. He can report the PMs to a moderator who can authenticate the PMs.
It is trivial to fake a screenshot....they have been faked in the past few months.

I think i have shown enough proof.
It is quite amusing how you (as an account farmer) are trying to protect account seller with every possible way.

Maybe @TrustedAccSeller is your seller / buyer ?
Or is it simply you ?



If bob123 gives me access to his throw away account alice321, I'll confirm the PM (if it's there Tongue ).

Done.
I have send LoyceV a message containing the login credentials. He can verify the messages.

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June 25, 2019, 08:02:07 AM
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Screenshot of my received PMs: here and here.
After checking alice321's account, I can confirm the authenticity of these PMs.

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June 25, 2019, 07:09:40 PM
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Hi guys,

I've had some time to think about what has happend so far. Yesterday I felt anger towards mindrust and I said that my account didn't get hacked.
But it looks like it was definitively the case and I should thank mindrust for discovering that. Otherwise I could have lost it to a scammer.
So thanks mindrust!

It also doesn't make sense to contact Cryptios and waste his and my time. If I had done something fishy, I would have used a VPN.

The only thing I can do is signing a message with an old BTC address. I found an old post from 2013 with a BTC address in it and I still own the private key.
So what do you want me to sign?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195037.msg2201120#msg2201120

I hope that helps to prove that I'm at least the person who opened the account in 2013. Someone could still argue that I know  "SeW900" an that I wanted to sell my
account through him.  Roll Eyes Think about that: 140 Dollars is probably a lot of money in some countries, but here in Germany it's nothing! 125 Euros? Seriously?
I could earn more by working during the time it takes to sell my account.

EDIT:

Message: I'm the real zackie!
BTC Address: 161sehE3mkW8owcE5Gt17ph2pvL1891K56
Signature: IO9Jpt4mf4H8UrI+lSCaL3wgO/ygylQyOWVDtDCIusCQYSAYKH5thX+HpbE5TbGCmDLtUEy9O99jSWr48z7R3WI=



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June 25, 2019, 07:29:35 PM
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It also doesn't make sense to contact Cryptios and waste his and my time. If I had done something fishy, I would have used a VPN.
EDIT:

Message: I'm the real zackie!
BTC Address: 161sehE3mkW8owcE5Gt17ph2pvL1891K56
Signature: IO9Jpt4mf4H8UrI+lSCaL3wgO/ygylQyOWVDtDCIusCQYSAYKH5thX+HpbE5TbGCmDLtUEy9O99jSWr48z7R3WI=

Verified using https://bitcotools.com/verify-messages

This doesn't prove you didn't try to sell the account, neither does saying it's not worth it to for you to sell it. So without any other attempts by you to prove it was hacked which the Cryptios team may have been able to do, it will forever look like you just got caught.

If your fine with that then there's nothing left for anyone to do here.

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Last edit: June 25, 2019, 07:54:15 PM by marlboroza
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195037.msg2201120#msg2201120

EDIT:

Message: I'm the real zackie!
BTC Address: 161sehE3mkW8owcE5Gt17ph2pvL1891K56
Signature: IO9Jpt4mf4H8UrI+lSCaL3wgO/ygylQyOWVDtDCIusCQYSAYKH5thX+HpbE5TbGCmDLtUEy9O99jSWr48z7R3WI=
Verified.

Please sign message and put today's date in it.

Do you mean like that:

Message: I'm the real zackie! 25.06.2019
Address: 161sehE3mkW8owcE5Gt17ph2pvL1891K56
Signature: H7YRZX+u6Hn74XJDfxsWhxPfFcr4a7BHzZkecds67jajGFQgo7KouaDIlq/SF5+Xei6sSNYNRjP1sjo5hYPSgiw=
Thanks, verified:



Now we should wait for account seller number 2 to jump in with "flag" accusation against OP  Smiley

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June 25, 2019, 07:45:33 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195037.msg2201120#msg2201120

EDIT:

Message: I'm the real zackie!
BTC Address: 161sehE3mkW8owcE5Gt17ph2pvL1891K56
Signature: IO9Jpt4mf4H8UrI+lSCaL3wgO/ygylQyOWVDtDCIusCQYSAYKH5thX+HpbE5TbGCmDLtUEy9O99jSWr48z7R3WI=
Verified.

Please sign message and put today's date in it.


Do you mean like that:

Message: I'm the real zackie! 25.06.2019
Address: 161sehE3mkW8owcE5Gt17ph2pvL1891K56
Signature: H7YRZX+u6Hn74XJDfxsWhxPfFcr4a7BHzZkecds67jajGFQgo7KouaDIlq/SF5+Xei6sSNYNRjP1sjo5hYPSgiw=

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June 25, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
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The signed message doesn’t prove anything unfortunately. I also don’t buy the whole hacked argument either.

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This doesn't prove you didn't try to sell the account, neither does saying it's not worth it to for you to sell it. So without any other attempts by you to prove it was hacked which the Cryptios team may have been able to do, it will forever look like you just got caught.



As I said, that proves nothing because of VPNs. I could do whatever you or anybody else here wants, there will always be somebody saying: "But this is still no evidence, do this and do that!" This will be a
never ending story. I'm the real zackie and this account is not for sale. Believe it or not, I don't care. As I said, 125 Euros is no money here in Germany, all this efforts wouldn't make sense.

So looks like I'm done here, my time is precious. At least I'm happy to have my account (back).

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The signed message doesn’t prove anything unfortunately. I also don’t buy the whole hacked argument either.

Haha, yes. Exactly what I wrote in my last post! The never ending story!

At least I can understand you all. The world is full of scammers who want to steal your money! So be careful!  Smiley

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Uhmm okay... So according to your previous posts, you've gotten no notice of your account being breached, and yet after being gone for 8 months, all of a sudden you find the topic where someone is providing proof that you're selling your account?

How did you notice (?) I mean, the entropy of you just all of a sudden stumbling upon this post/thread must be like.. insane...?

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June 25, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
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The signed message doesn’t prove anything unfortunately. I also don’t buy the whole hacked argument either.

I don't buy it either. However, it's plausible that the account is still under the control of the original owner. It may be an account farmer trying to rescue the value of his merchandise. Who knows. However, we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps a neutral tag is more in order in this case. At least with the new system, neutral rating's show up as a tally.
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As I said, that proves nothing because of VPNs. I could do whatever you or anybody else here wants, there will always be somebody saying: "But this is still no evidence, do this and do that!" This will be a
never ending story. I'm the real zackie and this account is not for sale. Believe it or not, I don't care.
Have you checked https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php ? You have only 30 days to see the account thief's IP address.

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June 25, 2019, 08:03:19 PM
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Hi guys,

I've had some time to think about what has happend so far. Yesterday I felt anger towards mindrust and I said that my account didn't get hacked.
But it looks like it was definitively the case and I should thank mindrust for discovering that. Otherwise I could have lost it to a scammer.
So thanks mindrust!

It also doesn't make sense to contact Cryptios and waste his and my time. If I had done something fishy, I would have used a VPN.

The only thing I can do is signing a message with an old BTC address. I found an old post from 2013 with a BTC address in it and I still own the private key.
So what do you want me to sign?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195037.msg2201120#msg2201120

I hope that helps to prove that I'm at least the person who opened the account in 2013. Someone could still argue that I know  "SeW900" an that I wanted to sell my
account through him.  Roll Eyes Think about that: 140 Dollars is probably a lot of money in some countries, but here in Germany it's nothing! 125 Euros? Seriously?
I could earn more by working during the time it takes to sell my account.

EDIT:

Message: I'm the real zackie!
BTC Address: 161sehE3mkW8owcE5Gt17ph2pvL1891K56
Signature: IO9Jpt4mf4H8UrI+lSCaL3wgO/ygylQyOWVDtDCIusCQYSAYKH5thX+HpbE5TbGCmDLtUEy9O99jSWr48z7R3WI=




I didn't discover anything, the OP did. I only tagged your account so it will be visible to the other forum members.

The community isn't fully convinced it seems, I'll change the color of the trust rating from red to neutral explaining what happened.

I see bought accounts with neutral ratings from time to time and since you showed some effort by signing a message from a very old address, I'll give you that.




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As I said, that proves nothing because of VPNs. I could do whatever you or anybody else here wants, there will always be somebody saying: "But this is still no evidence, do this and do that!" This will be a
never ending story. I'm the real zackie and this account is not for sale. Believe it or not, I don't care.
Have you checked https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php ? You have only 30 days to see the account thief's IP address.

Holy crap! Thanks for that link. Here is the result:

2019-06-25 18:52:29   2019-06-25 19:53:15   xx.xxx.xxx.xx   XXXXXXXx, Germany
2019-06-24 22:00:53   2019-06-24 22:01:56   xxxx:xx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx   XXXXXXXX, Germany
2019-06-24 20:03:48   2019-06-24 20:52:38   xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx    XXXXXXX, Germany
2019-06-19 09:38:21   2019-06-20 14:02:48   42.201.183.65   Karachi, Pakistan

Indeed, somebody from Pakistan used my account!

But hey, you know.... I could have used a VPN....

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The community isn't fully convinced it seems, I'll change the color of the trust rating from red to neutral explaining what happened.

I see bought accounts with neutral ratings from time to time and since you showed some effort by signing a message from a very old address, I'll give you that.

Thanks for that

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The community isn't fully convinced it seems, I'll change the color of the trust rating from red to neutral explaining what happened.
I'd say there's reasonable doubt. It's not the first case I've seen recently in which an account was used by someone else without changing the password. That's probably to prevent the account from getting locked or recovered by the real owner.

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A lot of sold accounts have been stolen.
A common way to have your account stolen is through visiting a phishing site.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4426885.0

Be very careful with clicking google links. Many of the links direct to phishing sites.

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As I said, that proves nothing because of VPNs. I could do whatever you or anybody else here wants, there will always be somebody saying: "But this is still no evidence, do this and do that!" This will be a
never ending story. I'm the real zackie and this account is not for sale. Believe it or not, I don't care.
Have you checked https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php ? You have only 30 days to see the account thief's IP address.

Holy crap! Thanks for that link. Here is the result:

2019-06-25 18:52:29   2019-06-25 19:53:15   xx.xxx.xxx.xx   XXXXXXXx, Germany
2019-06-24 22:00:53   2019-06-24 22:01:56   xxxx:xx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx   XXXXXXXX, Germany
2019-06-24 20:03:48   2019-06-24 20:52:38   xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx    XXXXXXX, Germany
2019-06-19 09:38:21   2019-06-20 14:02:48   42.201.183.65   Karachi, Pakistan

Indeed, somebody from Pakistan used my account!

But hey, you know.... I could have used a VPN....


Could you let any trusted member of the community log into your account to verify the IP log ?
Once done - and given that the IP log indeed shows a weird login from pakistan -  i will too remove my negative rating.

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As I said, that proves nothing because of VPNs. I could do whatever you or anybody else here wants, there will always be somebody saying: "But this is still no evidence, do this and do that!" This will be a
never ending story. I'm the real zackie and this account is not for sale. Believe it or not, I don't care.
Have you checked https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php ? You have only 30 days to see the account thief's IP address.

Holy crap! Thanks for that link. Here is the result:

2019-06-25 18:52:29   2019-06-25 19:53:15   xx.xxx.xxx.xx   XXXXXXXx, Germany
2019-06-24 22:00:53   2019-06-24 22:01:56   xxxx:xx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx   XXXXXXXX, Germany
2019-06-24 20:03:48   2019-06-24 20:52:38   xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx    XXXXXXX, Germany
2019-06-19 09:38:21   2019-06-20 14:02:48   42.201.183.65   Karachi, Pakistan

Indeed, somebody from Pakistan used my account!

But hey, you know.... I could have used a VPN....


Could you let any trusted member of the community log into your account to verify the IP log ?
Once done - and given that the IP log indeed shows a weird login from pakistan -  i will too remove my negative rating.
It is trivial to fake an IP address...you don’t even need to use a VPN. There are services that will allow you to have what appears to be a residential IP address of a distinct location.

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