Casinos can use AI to get additional edge?

[TheCoinGrabber]

Not only is the AI going to attempt to guess your moves, it's also way better at calculating the odds than you so yes, it'll definitely put the human player at a disadvantage. Seems like an overkill but I can see them attempting to use this in such a way that it wouldn't be obvious.

thats totally overkill! ripping the money of the gamblers at its best!
should be discreet otherwise, their area will be like a hunted one!

Exactly. I don't know much about probability but it is said that the slots in physical casinos have their chances set so that every now and then one would give a payout, to encourage those in other slots to continue. Of course it's different with card games but if they want it to be realistic, they'd have to throw in a few "errors" in to make the AI realistic.

If people feel they don't have the slightest chance of winning (though to be fair they really don't have much to begin with), they won't play.

[yvesp110]

Not only is the AI going to attempt to guess your moves, it's also way better at calculating the odds than you so yes, it'll definitely put the human player at a disadvantage. Seems like an overkill but I can see them attempting to use this in such a way that it wouldn't be obvious.

thats totally overkill! ripping the money of the gamblers at its best!
should be discreet otherwise, their area will be like a hunted one!

Exactly. I don't know much about probability but it is said that the slots in physical casinos have their chances set so that every now and then one would give a payout, to encourage those in other slots to continue. Of course it's different with card games but if they want it to be realistic, they'd have to throw in a few "errors" in to make the AI realistic.

If people feel they don't have the slightest chance of winning (though to be fair they really don't have much to begin with), they won't play.

AI can enable companies and enterprises around the world to cut down costs and maximize profits. There have been so many applications and software that help in the business activities and companies like Microsoft, Facebook and the leading firms in the financial sector have been making their millions this way. So it is not possible to make superprofits in the current era without making use of AI.

[Nalbo]

I believe most of the Casinos do have a player on the board. Be it an AI or a real person from the casino. As we don't know the identity of the person with the username, it could be anything. Casinos would have an unfair advantage if they place their person to play with their money as they can have stack of any money.

[TheCoinGrabber]

Exactly. I don't know much about probability but it is said that the slots in physical casinos have their chances set so that every now and then one would give a payout, to encourage those in other slots to continue. Of course it's different with card games but if they want it to be realistic, they'd have to throw in a few "errors" in to make the AI realistic.

If people feel they don't have the slightest chance of winning (though to be fair they really don't have much to begin with), they won't play.

AI can enable companies and enterprises around the world to cut down costs and maximize profits. There have been so many applications and software that help in the business activities and companies like Microsoft, Facebook and the leading firms in the financial sector have been making their millions this way. So it is not possible to make superprofits in the current era without making use of AI.

You have a point. The thing is, with gamblers they prefer to have another person playing in the same table. If the casino put an AI in there instead, it'll be like a noob playing chess on max difficulty - you'd feel very frustrated.

If it is known that an online casino used an AI, that could destroy the players' trust. How sure would they that not all "players" are AI and these are putting an act? After all, it's all virtual, you can't confirm who those are. It'll be like the Truman Show except with AIs.

[seleme]

Exactly. I don't know much about probability but it is said that the slots in physical casinos have their chances set so that every now and then one would give a payout, to encourage those in other slots to continue. Of course it's different with card games but if they want it to be realistic, they'd have to throw in a few "errors" in to make the AI realistic.

If people feel they don't have the slightest chance of winning (though to be fair they really don't have much to begin with), they won't play.

AI can enable companies and enterprises around the world to cut down costs and maximize profits. There have been so many applications and software that help in the business activities and companies like Microsoft, Facebook and the leading firms in the financial sector have been making their millions this way. So it is not possible to make superprofits in the current era without making use of AI.

You have a point. The thing is, with gamblers they prefer to have another person playing in the same table. If the casino put an AI in there instead, it'll be like a noob playing chess on max difficulty - you'd feel very frustrated.

If it is known that an online casino used an AI, that could destroy the players' trust. How sure would they that not all "players" are AI and these are putting an act? After all, it's all virtual, you can't confirm who those are. It'll be like the Truman Show except with AIs.

Even there was a sign of AI on Truman Show and experienced gamblers can get the point if such case ever happens in any site. Virtual places can be manipulated easily with the help of various scripts, so there is no 100% trust. Audits even can be subject to the corruption and bribery facts are hidden. Only big ones are leaked to the media IMO.

[romero121]

Rather than integrating Artificial Intelligence it is good to rewrite the script in such a way to get additional edge when there is continuous winning streak with the user. The same is being done through the integration of artificial intelligence where the game will be observed and based on the winning it gets back an added house edge and will be fair.

[yvesp110]

Exactly. I don't know much about probability but it is said that the slots in physical casinos have their chances set so that every now and then one would give a payout, to encourage those in other slots to continue. Of course it's different with card games but if they want it to be realistic, they'd have to throw in a few "errors" in to make the AI realistic.

If people feel they don't have the slightest chance of winning (though to be fair they really don't have much to begin with), they won't play.

AI can enable companies and enterprises around the world to cut down costs and maximize profits. There have been so many applications and software that help in the business activities and companies like Microsoft, Facebook and the leading firms in the financial sector have been making their millions this way. So it is not possible to make superprofits in the current era without making use of AI.

You have a point. The thing is, with gamblers they prefer to have another person playing in the same table. If the casino put an AI in there instead, it'll be like a noob playing chess on max difficulty - you'd feel very frustrated.

If it is known that an online casino used an AI, that could destroy the players' trust. How sure would they that not all "players" are AI and these are putting an act? After all, it's all virtual, you can't confirm who those are. It'll be like the Truman Show except with AIs.

I understand your point here. But it is never going to happen because this will cost a casino all its users. You just cannot win from AI if it’s on the other end of the table. Better go through the story of world champion Lee Sedol and vs. the AI robots AlphaGo and you will be surprised to know that the world champion could not win from the AL robot. So the casinos will not do that but can make use of AI in other different activities.

[radjie]

I believe most of the Casinos do have a player on the board. Be it an AI or a real person from the casino. As we don't know the identity of the person with the username, it could be anything. Casinos would have an unfair advantage if they place their person to play with their money as they can have stack of any money.

yes, I also assume that most casinos will definitely place their players to play, so that profits do not fully fall on gamblers but can return to site owners so they don't easily lose the capital they have spent and this method is so effective that casino sites can survive long

[adzino]

No, I don't think any casino would or could do that. Not even sure how would that would work. Even if it worked, people will eventually realize this since they will notice that every large bet they place is a bet they lose. It takes just few seconds for a serious gambler to know if a casino is rigged or not. And yeah, people can easily abuse this system once they get to know how the system works.

[klaaas]

No, I don't think any casino would or could do that. Not even sure how would that even work. Even if it worked, people will eventually realize this since they will notice that every large bet they place is a bet they lose.

Indeed it would be complicated. There are much easier ways to tamper on the backend if a casino want to use rogue tactics on there players.

[Betwrong]

~They say AI can beat any player in poker, but I personally doubt it, and it would be very interesting to try to play poker with such a bot.

If the AI can destroy players at a game like Dota, why wouldn't it completely annihilate humans at a much simpler game, like Poker?
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Maybe because poker is not a simpler game, or, I'd rather say, it's not a simpler game for computer. Bluffing may seem irrational from a computer's point of view, and the machine will perform it only if programmed to do so. But what a self-learning bot will be doing after several terrible outcomes of bluffing? Right, it will stop bluffing. But every good poker player knows that you can't win without bluffing in the long run.

OpenAI's Dota 2 bot defeated over 99% of all challengers, and they where one of the best pro players around. There are no doubts that AI can beat anyone in Dota in the end.

In January 2017 an AI called LIBRATUS beat 4 pro poker players after playing 120k games, and then later another AI, DEEPSTACK, beat 10 out of 11 expert human players after playing 45k games. And yet I think it is much less certain that an AI can beat a good poker player than that of Dota. There are more unique situations in a game of Texas No-Limit Hold'em than there are atoms in the Universe. There are 10 to the power of 160 outcomes for each game. There is no way even the most powerful computers could actually consider all of those possibilities, but even if they could, they would never know for certain whether an opponent is bluffing or not.

[imstillthebest]

No, I don't think any casino would or could do that. Not even sure how would that even work. Even if it worked, people will eventually realize this since they will notice that every large bet they place is a bet they lose.

Indeed it would be complicated. There are much easier ways to tamper on the backend if a casino want to use rogue tactics on there players.

No its not complicated and its not also impossible for a casino site to use a.i and other systems just to make more money out of thier costumers  . will not notice it especially if we are not techy enough  because the site is composes by codes and other deep techy stuffs  but i think honest casinos wont really use those things because they only want to be fair  .  they knew that thier costumers will comeback if the costumers are happy and satisfied from their experience .

[michellee]

No, I don't think any casino would or could do that. Not even sure how would that even work. Even if it worked, people will eventually realize this since they will notice that every large bet they place is a bet they lose.

Indeed it would be complicated. There are much easier ways to tamper on the backend if a casino want to use rogue tactics on there players.

No, I don't think so because if they can have a good team to manage the website and they have the skill to integrate their system with the AI, I think that will not impossible. That will help them to set everything to run by itself and they only need to monitor the system and if something wrong is happening, the AI will tell them so they can immediately fix that.

[TheCoinGrabber]

You have a point. The thing is, with gamblers they prefer to have another person playing in the same table. If the casino put an AI in there instead, it'll be like a noob playing chess on max difficulty - you'd feel very frustrated.

If it is known that an online casino used an AI, that could destroy the players' trust. How sure would they that not all "players" are AI and these are putting an act? After all, it's all virtual, you can't confirm who those are. It'll be like the Truman Show except with AIs.

I understand your point here. But it is never going to happen because this will cost a casino all its users. You just cannot win from AI if it’s on the other end of the table. Better go through the story of world champion Lee Sedol and vs. the AI robots AlphaGo and you will be surprised to know that the world champion could not win from the AL robot. So the casinos will not do that but can make use of AI in other different activities.

That's what I suggested they could attempt to do. Let's say there's only 1 human on a table, they can have the AIs on various difficulty levels that makes it not impossible for the human to win. Basically like playing Poker Superstars, it can still be an enjoyable game and the human might not notice.

[JohnBitCo]

Not only is the AI going to attempt to guess your moves, it's also way better at calculating the odds than you so yes, it'll definitely put the human player at a disadvantage. Seems like an overkill but I can see them attempting to use this in such a way that it wouldn't be obvious.

thats totally overkill! ripping the money of the gamblers at its best!
should be discreet otherwise, their area will be like a hunted one!

Exactly. I don't know much about probability but it is said that the slots in physical casinos have their chances set so that every now and then one would give a payout, to encourage those in other slots to continue. Of course it's different with card games but if they want it to be realistic, they'd have to throw in a few "errors" in to make the AI realistic.

If people feel they don't have the slightest chance of winning (though to be fair they really don't have much to begin with), they won't play.

AI can be used in order to provide benefits to the gamblers too. It is not that only the gambling casino can take benefit from AI.
By using Artificial intelligence online gambling can be made more interactive and user friendly.

[Twinkledoe]

Exactly. I don't know much about probability but it is said that the slots in physical casinos have their chances set so that every now and then one would give a payout, to encourage those in other slots to continue. Of course it's different with card games but if they want it to be realistic, they'd have to throw in a few "errors" in to make the AI realistic.

If people feel they don't have the slightest chance of winning (though to be fair they really don't have much to begin with), they won't play.

AI can enable companies and enterprises around the world to cut down costs and maximize profits. There have been so many applications and software that help in the business activities and companies like Microsoft, Facebook and the leading firms in the financial sector have been making their millions this way. So it is not possible to make superprofits in the current era without making use of AI.

You have a point. The thing is, with gamblers they prefer to have another person playing in the same table. If the casino put an AI in there instead, it'll be like a noob playing chess on max difficulty - you'd feel very frustrated.

If it is known that an online casino used an AI, that could destroy the players' trust. How sure would they that not all "players" are AI and these are putting an act? After all, it's all virtual, you can't confirm who those are. It'll be like the Truman Show except with AIs.

I agree with the logic you used here - "it'll be like a noob playing chess on max difficulty - you'd feel very frustrated." With AI, the difficulty bar is raised higher, so you have a lot of catching up to do. You will feel disappointed because it is like you have no way of winning the game. So what would be your reaction if you learned that particular casino is using AI? For me, I won't play anymore on that site. Better give at least a good chance of winning to your players. Do not be so greedy!

[Johnzky]

Gambling is all about random number generation, and provably fair scheme provides guarantees that casino doesn't cheat, but we also know that humans are horrible random number generators - we are very easily predictable.

There are many online demonstrations available, I'll just drop one here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kms/schools/rps/index.php
After a small number of games, computer becomes quite good at consistently beating you at the game.

So, theoretically a casino can observe how you place your bets, then predict your next bets and make their own bets (they always go first) accordingly. The flaw here is if this algorithm is implemented too naively, it can be abused by players by making big amounts of predictable low-value bets, and then making a big opposite bet.

If AI can apply in real world gambling in which physical is in approach so what more in online gaming in which the program is involve?yeah 100% AI is in play for casinos to get more edge

In this random numbers involving it is.  MOre easy to apply artificial intelligence to beat the players and the house to succeed

[jademaxsuy]

well AI is the common to betting platform but it could not be controlled by anyone else or manipulate the results. You see that therr are individuals winning in the betting process.

Try 777coin bitcoin casino and test your skills and win the games.

[Betwrong]

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If you weigh actual and digital casinos, definitely the latter is easier to manipulate especially with ai. These are computer programs that run online and digital casinos, so it's silly to expect that they can't be controlled. Though the risks to the gamblers are pretty similar because ai is mostly used to make profit for owners. The gamblers still lose money.

That's what most regular people think of online casinos, but, in fact, this is not the case from quite some time. You see, it's useless to have an AI which is analyzing users' behavior and can predict the next moves when you can't actually affect the outcome in any way. Because of the provably fair system casinos do not control the outcomes, period. What's the point of having an AI on your site if you can't affect the outcomes?

[michellee]

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If you weigh actual and digital casinos, definitely the latter is easier to manipulate especially with ai. These are computer programs that run online and digital casinos, so it's silly to expect that they can't be controlled. Though the risks to the gamblers are pretty similar because ai is mostly used to make profit for owners. The gamblers still lose money.

That's what most regular people think of online casinos, but, in fact, this is not the case from quite some time. You see, it's useless to have an AI which is analyzing users' behavior and can predict the next moves when you can't actually affect the outcome in any way. Because of the provably fair system casinos do not control the outcomes, period. What's the point of having an AI on your site if you can't affect the outcomes?

I think the casino will do something to prevent the gambler gets more winning. They will modify the AI to work as they want so they can control the game, and they still take the profit. Maybe we don't know how they can do that, but I believe that when it comes for the profit, the casino will do what they need to take a big profit in the short term or long term. The AI system will help the casino and the owner and make their work simple than before.