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[Blacknavy]

To be honest i'm shocked because i don't have any idea about this merit trading group that they were talking about. Basically he were claming that around 30 people was into a merit trading group. I'm not even one of them. I just posted my own opinion about them and i said this doesn't mean all of that people in that group and i just said there is no solid evidence enough to blame (to all those people) in my opinion for merit trading.

I just wanted to share my opinion about other people eventhough it wasn't my problem. But Mindrust loves to attack a lot of people without solid proof, that was what i meant by writing my own opinion. Since when do users get a red trust just  because they wrote their own opinion about other people or a subject?  I mean, does he really think he can give red trust to anyone that doesn't agree with him? Narcissistic behaviour.

He slandered to these users who is in this post

2run
by rallier
teramit
mhanbostanci
Halmater
Matthias9515
PHI1618
sonerbo
BitcoinTurk
bobita
wolwoo
gorkem19888
gospodin
trendcoin
Bthd
ziya1453
Kalemder
ekiller
AlyattesLydia
Asber
HARDCRACKERS
jopen
Leteravian
ugurum15
addtelegrams
goraset

I said: 'Ortada hiçbir kanıt yok çünkü seçime katılan hiçbir üye o bahsettiğin grupta değil.'

There is no evidence (for merit trading) because none of the members in the election is in 'that merit trading group'

I wrote a full sentence that i translated above. He cut half of it and suddenly decided to give me a red trust by crossing my words. He is saying that i encouraged merit trading by writing this sentence(above). What the hell? I never encourage this type of things and this sentence is totally irrelative. Users like Mindrust doesn't deserve to be a DT member if they are not fair enough when it comes to use their power.  Kindly help me to solve this problem..

[TECSHARE]

This flag is a retaliatory and unjustified use of the flag system.That doesn't mean I think your premise is wrong, just that this is not what the trust system is for. Remove it and I will consider reviewing the accusation against you. Thanks.

EDIT: Matthias9515 has taken the first step toward reconciliation and preservation of the integrity of the trust system by removing his support for this flag, which to me speaks well of his intent. I suggest anyone reading this should review this flag on him, which at this time I believe to be unjustified, and vote on it.

[Blacknavy]

Just because we had an argument a few week ago, suddenly Mindrust showed up again and decided to give me a red trust. For me, i’ve already left that argument in past. I don’t understand why Mindrust are obsessed and still looking for reasons to give me a red trust even after weeks. Just because i wasn’t agree with what you are saying? Just because i said that one irrelevant person’s mistake doesn’t show that another 30 people were also guilty? It is not fair to give someone a “red trust” just because they wrote their own opinion. My words don’t even close to encouraging merit farming/ trading. Every healthy person can see that easily.

Yes, we had an argument in the past but you need to stop your hatred.

You’ve already removed your support for the flag because you know your accusations are just wrong. Here I publicly want you to put your hatred away, leave the argument behind. And remove the red trust, because everyone knows that i don’t deserve it.

[El duderino_]

Didn't read the OP yet, but still I would be very surprised mindrust would create a flag when its not appropriate, he's one of the members that has my highest respect in is always honest with his posts and his vision/thought towards BTC and other forum members, I will also look to your post a little later, cause not to much time atm....

But I just wouldn't see him do anything thats not in line with the forum.... 

[Blacknavy]

Didn't read the OP yet, but still I would be very surprised mindrust would create a flag when its not appropriate, he's one of the members that has my highest respect in is always honest with his posts and his vision/thought towards BTC and other forum members, I will also look to your post a little later, cause not to much time atm....

But I just wouldn't see him do anything thats not in line with the forum....  

Honestly i was also thinking the same thing about his vision and i invited him to join the local election for to be a DT member. And i voted for him.
But after that he showed up and suddenly started blame all of the 30 people that joined the election. He showed a screenshot that only ONE PERSON is talking about sending merit to other people.

Just because one person was talking about sending merits to others, how can you tell everyone is guilty? It is senseless.

For example i’ve never seen that group in my life. I wasn’t the accused person and that wasn’t my problem. But still, i wanted to share my own opinion about what’s happening there.
And i just said I don’t see any solid proof because this image doesn’t show anything about all of that 30 people. It includes only one person. So blaming everyone is weird.

I didn’t agree with Mindrust and i said this screenshot doesn’t prove that all of the 30 people are guilty. There is only ONE PERSON was talking in that image.
How can you judge everyone? How can you blame even innocent/ irrelevant people?

Just look at why he gave me a red trust. He is trying to cross my words. My words don’t even close to encouraging merit farming/ trading. It’s very clear that i don’t deserve this.

[TECSHARE]

Didn't read the OP yet, but still I would be very surprised mindrust would create a flag when its not appropriate, he's one of the members that has my highest respect in is always honest with his posts and his vision/thought towards BTC and other forum members, I will also look to your post a little later, cause not to much time atm....

But I just wouldn't see him do anything thats not in line with the forum....  

Mindrust withdrew his support for the original flag against Matthias9515 over this issue. Logic dictates that then the trust rating is also not valid since it was left over the same issue.

Matthias9515, I would recommend you delete your negative rating for Mindrust and be the bigger man here. I think a neutral rating would be appropriate if you feel it is absolutely necessary, but I think much like with the flag withdraw, it shows your intent toward reconciliation rather than retaliation, and would go a long way in motivating Mindrust as well as others around him that he should reciprocate and also remove his rating for you.

[Blacknavy]

Mindrust withdrew his support for the original flag against Matthias9515 over this issue. Logic dictates that then the trust rating is also not valid since it was left over the same issue.

Matthias9515, I would recommend you delete your negative rating for Mindrust and be the bigger man here. I think a neutral rating would be appropriate if you feel it is absolutely necessary, but I think much like with the flag withdraw, it shows your intent toward reconciliation rather than retaliation, and would go a long way in motivating Mindrust as well as others around him that he should reciprocate and also remove his rating for you.

Thank you Tecshare for your common sense for both parties.

I want him to left behind his personal problems with me. He is clearly abusing his power by giving me red trust for no reason.

I’m willing to solve this problem but i’m not sure if Mindrust has the same common sense. Since i’m not sure if i can trust him after all, i’ve deleted the negative rating and i gave him a neutral trust instead.

I believe it’s clear that i honestly don’t deserve to get a red trust just because of all this. I‘ve already asked before but i’m telling again; i want him to remove the red trust.

I’m willing to delete even the neutral trust right after when he removes this unfair red trust.
I might have some arguments with any user in anytime but i never hold grudge against them. And i don’t look for reasons to blame them after couple weeks of the argument. I believe everyone is free to release their own opinion. That was what i only did, i don’t deserve a red trust at all.
I expect Mindrust to realize this red trust is just unfair. I’m waiting for him to delete the red trust in order to fix this issue.

[ripplecanavari]

You deserve the red trust  got by Mindrust.

You're an unreliable man who slanders everyone easily at the Turkish local forum.You are not liked by many in the Turkish local forum. Mindrust is right to the end when he does this. A lot of people in the Turkish local forum don't trust you, especially me.

You have a bad character. You constantly cause chaos and debate at the Turkish local forum. And you enjoy this chaos.

[kr105]

You deserve the red trust  got by Mindrust.

You're an unreliable man who slanders everyone easily at the Turkish local forum.You are not liked by many in the Turkish local forum. Mindrust is right to the end when he does this. A lot of people in the Turkish local forum don't trust you, especially me.

You have a bad character. You constantly cause chaos and debate at the Turkish local forum. And you enjoy this chaos.

Who are you exactly bro? Chill. Your jealousy is killing you slowly because you’re the one who talks silly things constantly. Matthias is one of the respected persons in the Turkish local. And Mindrust also deserves the respect from community. But you are totally no one. Let them talk to fix this unjustified rating.

[TECSHARE]

You deserve the red trust  got by Mindrust.

You're an unreliable man who slanders everyone easily at the Turkish local forum.You are not liked by many in the Turkish local forum. Mindrust is right to the end when he does this. A lot of people in the Turkish local forum don't trust you, especially me.

You have a bad character. You constantly cause chaos and debate at the Turkish local forum. And you enjoy this chaos.

The trust system is not to punish people you don't like, who upset you, or you don't agree with. The trust system exists to help protect people from fraud. Mindrust's rating is not justified, and the fact that he doesn't even bother to defend his position says to me he doesn't even really believe the accusation he made himself.

[mindrust]

This guy Matt is a big liar and a (probably) merit trader/abuser. Don't have the evidences for that but since he is siding with PHI since the beginning my suspicions are growing.

If you were so clean why did you nearly delete all the latest posts of yours after 31/05/19, may I ask? You were so happy when I was standing against merit trading in the Turkish local and you and your mob were lynching me for that.

I archived what I could and here are some gems of yours:

http://archive.is/3xlnY

You licked Lauda, garnered votes for your DT, and shit up the tavern. There is no evidence because no member of the election is in that group. If you're doing this for 50 bucks, you'il fuck yourself for 100 bucks. two faced trough bitch.

you used to be on my DT list but after this comment you're on my distrust list, $ 50 dog

PHI was in that group. (Is there any chance Mete E. was you?) What was that a bingo? How fun.



Fatih-PHI is clearly a merit trader/circler:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1071136

And this guy siding with PHI. If he sides with a merit trader, he is not to be trusted.

He also deleted almost all of his latest posts where he accused me for all kinds of things including being a multi accounter, enemy of the Turkish people, Lauda's bitch and so on. I saved some:

https://archive.is/7jmXf
https://archive.is/LQGAF

He is playing the nice guy now like nothing has happened. Be a man and take responsibility for what you did.

I am not letting someone like you going away freely encouraging merit trading among the Turkish people. The forum is already in a very bad shape.

He even uses a trust rating from a Roger minion just to back his claims...

There is a negative trust belong to Mindrust because of being Lauda's puppy. Lauda, do you really need these hypocrites?

Imagine using a bcash scammer's trust rating in your defense...

Yep, you just did that.

How degenerate could someone be for doing smth like this?

I am pretty forgiving but I can't let that one go.

[kr105]

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You seem you don’t even know what you are doing. First, you deleted the flag. Now you came to tell you won’t let him go. If you start accusing a bunch of people just because of another one person’s fault of course some people will come to ask you where is the proof for all the people that you’re easily throwing shade? And how do you blame your own people when there is no proof that they ALL are bad guys? Do you think to blame everyone should be that easy?

These people don’t know to read Turkish and it’s easy for you come up with your statement here. But how do you convince the ones who understand the whole conversation between you and him? Because we know you’re out of line by giving red trust and you have some personal problems and anger for Matthias.
Does he defends merit farming? No. Does he says PHI did a good job? No.
The only think he is saying how do you blame another 30 people in the election? Many of them have no idea about the merit conversation and that telegram chanel.
He didn’t say anything about PHI’s action on that thread. He said those 30 people don’t related this merit thing as far as he knows them. And he said that he’s never been that kind of groups in in his life.

Multiple times Mati said he had no idea about this group and he told you at least bring some proof for the other people that you blamed without reason. His statement was very reasonable for a person who reads everything objectively.

Do you think we would blame you just because one of those people that you talked from this forum somehow were talking about to create a group for merit stuff? No. As far as i know, that conversation in that image belongs to one and half year ago.

Matthias wasn’t even the accused person there. Seems like his only fault that defending the justice for irrelevant people that you were accusing in very hostile way. He only told you to bring evidence for the other people that you started to blame so we can believe your argument with a clear conscience, right?

Btw most of us were surprised when you shared your bad opinions about the Turkish community. I mean, who wouldn’t?

Being a DT member does’t mean you can throw negative ratings just because someone didn’t share the same perspective/opinion with you. We don’t have to agree you. We have right to ask questions when there is a need the things to be more clear. Throwing shade is easy.

I hope other DT members are more fair and more reasonable than you. Otherwise this forum would be full of people who give red trusts just because some person cursed them in the middle of an argument and ask questions about their judgement. Lol. It’s a pity.

PS: Hope i also don’t get a red trust or a flag after i dare to disagree with Holy Mindrust.

[mindrust]

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You seem you don’t even know what you are doing. First, you deleted the flag. Now you came to tell you won’t let him go. If you start accusing a bunch of people just because of another one person’s fault of course some people will come to tell you where is the proof for all the people that you’re easily shade? Do you think to blame everyone should be that easy?

These people don’t know to read Turkish and it’s easy for you come up with your statement here. But how do you convince the ones who understand the whole conversation between you and him? Because we know you’re out of line by giving red trust and you have some personal problems and anger for Matthias.
Does he defends merit farming? No. Does he says PHI did a good job? No.
The only think he is saying how do you blame another 30 people in the election? Many of them have no idea about the merit conversation and that telegram chanel.
Multiple times Mati said he had no idea about this group and he told you at least bring some proof for the other people that you blamed without reason. His statement was very reasonable for a person who reads everything objectively.

Do you think we would blame you just because one of those people that you talked from this forum somehow were talking about to create a group for merit stuff? No. As far as i know, that conversation in that image belongs to one and half year ago.

Matthias wasn’t even the accused person there. Seems like his only fault that defending the justice for irrelevant people that you were accusing in very hostile way. He only told you to bring evidence for the other people that you started to blame so we can believe your argument with a clear conscience, right?

Btw most of us were surprised when you shared your bad opinions about the Turkish community. I mean, who wouldn’t?

Being a DT member does’t mean you can throw negative ratings just because someone didn’t share the perspective with you. We don’t have to agree you. We have right to ask questions when there is a need to things to be more clear. Throwing shade is easy. I hope other DT members are more fair and more reasonable than you. Otherwise this forum would be full of people who give red trusts just because some person cursed them in the middle of an argument and ask questions about their judgement. Lol. It’s a pity.

PS: Hope i also don’t get a red trust or a flag after i dare to disagree with Holy Mindrust.

Was PHI in that telegram chat or not?

Do you argue against it? If you don't argue against it what are you talking about?

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Those 30 people I don't care about. It is lauda's list and it is a business between those 30 people and lauda. In that Turkish thread I have a post saying:

I don't see everyone on Lauda's list as guilty (yet), so I don't find it right to apply that list just because it's pat.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153279.msg51452312#msg51452312

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People who encourage merit trading are not to be trusted, just like account sellers.

[El duderino_]

^
That is true, I avoid merit traders etc as well....

Then again mindrust isn’t the guy thats gonna accuse someone for nothing, i’m almost read and post with mindrust every day in the same place and I can only say good of him....

Also many deleted Posts are a bit shady imo, and mindrust wouldn’t make it up as he has nothing to gain from it...

The OP pm’d me very kind to take a look as he Said mindrust is unfair, I think mindrust is right and I as he Said merit trading is a NO GO !

Keep the forum clean! I hope mindrust comes with a hard evidence as i’m not Turkisch speaking myself and i’m on my phone right now

[kr105]

@Mindrust

Please, read carefully mate. You don’t even listen or you don’t even bother to read properly. You only see what you want to see.

He didn’t say anything about PHI’s action. He was talking generally for other people. And his words are clear and he were only saying this is not a proof for that 30 people.
He said those 30 people don’t related this merit thing as far as he knows them. And he said that he’s never been that kind of groups in his life.


Now you are acting like we said PHI did a great job. Matthias were talking for everyone in the local community that were accused in the thread. You also know that from your heart but you’re just angry because he said bad things to you instead of talking in calm way.

This is the only problem that i saw here. Matthias is a respected and helpful member. He is constantly trying to good things no one can deny that. Smart guy and he has a good heart.
I know the whole thing and i know the whole conversation between you and him or in the related threads. He almost knows every detail about this forum and he never cross the lines.

As i said before, seems like his only fault to curse you in the middle of an argument and questioning your statements. That’s not a reason to give him a negative rating. That’s your personal problems between you and him. You gave him a red just because you’re pissed off and you’re telling him to be man?? Really?

He doesn’t deserve a red trust. There are hundreds of people which suits better for a negative rating. Mati is not one of them.
 
I don’t think so but still I hope you can see the whole thing from another perspective, objectively.

[mindrust]

@Mindrust

Please, read carefully mate. You don’t even listen or you don’t even bother to read properly. You only see what you want to see.

He didn’t say anything about PHI’s action. He was talking generally for other people. And his words are clear and he were only saying this is not a proof for that 30 people.
He said those 30 people don’t related this merit thing as far as he knows them. And he said that he’s never been that kind of groups in his life.


Now you are acting like we said PHI did a great job. Matthias were talking for everyone in the local community that were accused in the thread. You also know that from your heart but you’re just angry because he said bad things to you instead of talking in calm way.

This is the only problem that i saw here. Matthias is a respected and helpful member. He is constantly trying to good things no one can deny that. Smart guy and he has a good heart.
I know the whole thing and i know the whole conversation between you and him or in the related threads. He almost knows every detail about this forum and he never cross the lines.

As i said before, seems like his only fault to curse you in the middle of an argument and questioning your statements.
He doesn’t deserve a red trust. There are hundreds of people which suits better for a negative rating. Mati is not one of them.
 
Hope you can see the whole thing from another perspective, objectively.

Alright.

We'll have to go back to the basics.

Please tell me what you understand from this sentence:

There is no evidence because no member of the election is in that group.

[TECSHARE]

This guy Matt is a big liar and a (probably) merit trader/abuser. Don't have the evidences for that but since he is siding with PHI since the beginning my suspicions are growing.

So you have admitted you have no evidence against him and only suspicions and guilt via association. He has already removed his negative rating for you, you are now the one making accusations without evidence by your own admission. This is not what the trust system is for. You are already abusing the tiny amount of authority you have received. The trust system is to protect people from fraud, not to penalize people for things you disagree with or suspect without evidence. You seem to me like the classic little man authoritarian who can't restrain himself from abusing even tiny amounts of authority. I think you will find this kind of behavior catches up with you.

[mindrust]

This guy Matt is a big liar and a (probably) merit trader/abuser. Don't have the evidences for that but since he is siding with PHI since the beginning my suspicions are growing.

So you have admitted you have no evidence against him and only suspicions and guilt via association. He has already removed his negative rating for you, you are now the one making accusations without evidence by your own admission. This is not what the trust system is for. You are already abusing the tiny amount of authority you have received. The trust system is to protect people from fraud, not to penalize people for things you disagree with or suspect without evidence.

I don't have evidence of him being a merit trader.

He is clearly encouraging it.

Did you even read my post?

[kr105]

@Mindrust

Please, read carefully mate. You don’t even listen or you don’t even bother to read properly. You only see what you want to see.

He didn’t say anything about PHI’s action. He was talking generally for other people. And his words are clear and he were only saying this is not a proof for that 30 people.
He said those 30 people don’t related this merit thing as far as he knows them. And he said that he’s never been that kind of groups in his life.


Now you are acting like we said PHI did a great job. Matthias were talking for everyone in the local community that were accused in the thread. You also know that from your heart but you’re just angry because he said bad things to you instead of talking in calm way.

This is the only problem that i saw here. Matthias is a respected and helpful member. He is constantly trying to good things no one can deny that. Smart guy and he has a good heart.
I know the whole thing and i know the whole conversation between you and him or in the related threads. He almost knows every detail about this forum and he never cross the lines.

As i said before, seems like his only fault to curse you in the middle of an argument and questioning your statements.
He doesn’t deserve a red trust. There are hundreds of people which suits better for a negative rating. Mati is not one of them.
 
Hope you can see the whole thing from another perspective, objectively.

Alright.

We'll have to go back to the basics.

Please tell me what you understand from this sentence:

There is no evidence because no member of the election is in that group.

It’s crystal clear that he is saying there is no proof for the other accused 30 people. This words are not about PHI.

“No member of the election is in that group” = 30 People

Those 30 people that you’ve suddenly started to blame by posting this” holy shit they all are really merit traders” (or something similar to this). Eventhough that image does not show anything about those other members. It’ shows PHI were texting with someone we don’t even know.

Obviously these words are not about PHı. Mati is talking about the election was clean. He defends the election, not PHI.
He knows the election is clean because he’ve sent a PM almost every single member in the Turkish section and invited them to join. Including you.
Now you’re blaming this guy for nothing eventhough he didn’t do anything wrong by his actions.

The only problem is his behaviour because he cursed you in that talk. He should’ve told his opinion without insult. And you can not give negative ratings just because someone insulted you with the anger in the middle of an argument.

At least, try to calm down and reconsider this whole thing. He clearly doesn’t deserve this.