⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

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Paris did a great job yesterday but the thing with the VAR is like the law in Balkan countries,it is applied on poor people without support and rich ones get away by bribing the officials.

When Paris asked for VAR it was given to them by the referee and it was correct to void the goal however when Real scored a regular goal because Benzema didn’t touch the ball the VAR was not given to Real.I am not saying Paris did not deserve to win they played better than Real all the time but I want to point out we have still flaws in the system.

Of course VAR is still in its infancy and therefore now and then we shall be seeing flaws but i don't think there was anything awful about VAR in yesterday's match.

I am a Real Madrid Fan, and we really deserved the loss even by a bigger margin... and i don't think Real Madrid is "poor" in comparison to PSG 

[slocker]

Paris did a great job yesterday but the thing with the VAR is like the law in Balkan countries,it is applied on poor people without support and rich ones get away by bribing the officials.

When Paris asked for VAR it was given to them by the referee and it was correct to void the goal however when Real scored a regular goal because Benzema didn’t touch the ball the VAR was not given to Real.I am not saying Paris did not deserve to win they played better than Real all the time but I want to point out we have still flaws in the system.

What are you talking about? Real Madrid isn't a "poor" club and it's silly to think about that. Asking for a referee for a VAR will always depend on how he views things if it's really necessary and the referees have their own biases towards every given situation sometimes if he isn't sure about the play then he could personally ask for VAR, if you have proof that there is a bribe going on then I'll believe you but just by trusting your word about it would just make you look like a salty fan believing that their team lose because the referee is favoring the other team.

VAR is still something that will be 50-50 in my books. First think that winning team will say that its great, second loosing will say its suck.
For me this is something that ruin football, why, referee is now more on the what will VAR room say when he is having doubt. For me this have lose edge in sport. Its normal that referee make mistake but with this they made even more mistakes. Maybe im wrong but think its majority here who will take this same as Me.

[Pmalek]

I do not agree with Pmalek about Khedira.
The fact that Juve has 5 goals with Napoli and Atletico from 3 to 0 towards 3 to 3 and from 2 to 0 to 2 to 2, is not due to Khedira's replacement.
Four of these five goals (like many others were taken during the preseason) are practically the same. They are goals taken from a standing kick.

I did not say it is because Khedira got substituted, but it is just an interesting coincidence.

In the Napoli game it is very clear who made the mistakes. De Ligt. Look at the Lozano goal and De Ligts movements. He is not looking at his opponents, he is only watching the ball and he allowed Lozano to get in behind his back.

Set piece situations are the main problem, you are right. They are simply not defending them properly. 2 goals vs Napoli and 2 vs Atletico from set pieces. That is too much and has to be addressed as soon as possible in training.   

[Scheede]

Paris did a great job yesterday but the thing with the VAR is like the law in Balkan countries,it is applied on poor people without support and rich ones get away by bribing the officials.

When Paris asked for VAR it was given to them by the referee and it was correct to void the goal however when Real scored a regular goal because Benzema didn’t touch the ball the VAR was not given to Real.I am not saying Paris did not deserve to win they played better than Real all the time but I want to point out we have still flaws in the system.

Of course VAR is still in its infancy and therefore now and then we shall be seeing flaws but i don't think there was anything awful about VAR in yesterday's match.

I am a Real Madrid Fan, and we really deserved the loss even by a bigger margin... and i don't think Real Madrid is "poor" in comparison to PSG  

It honors you saying this words and the likes of RM and Barca in the first matchday once again shows that "spending big money" is not always a guarantee for success since Barca basically had similar stats than RM with 0 shots on goal, only have they been lucky (and ter Stegen) that avoided Dortmund to win this 2:0 or 3:0 as well.

[Murat]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud. PSG without Mbappe and Neymar scored 3 Against Real. Di Maria was superb on the pitch, scored a brace.
                

[rachman mahesa]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

[Ulven]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

Despite the loss suffered by Real will qualify to the second round because it has special players I think the reason for their collapse against Paris is the absence of Ramos and Marcelo.As for Zidane, he knows very well the roles he will play in the future,  We will follow together what will happen in the future.

[Lucius]

Regarding Dinamo Zagreb being 2nd in the group, while being possible, i don't think that it will happen. They have good chance for being 3rd though and continuing in Europa league. That would also be a very good result.

But maybe i'm just too cautious  as i got used to disappointments when it comes to Dinamo Zagreb and Euro games, i would say that this generation is even better than the one in the late 90s with Viduka, Prosinecki, Cvitanovic..

Why not Dinamo Zagreb can be second in the group? Obviously City is without a doubt the first place favorite, but Atalanta is joke team, they play worst football you can see in CL, and City is win over Shakhtar without any problems, as it is a light training, and not a CL game.

Dinamo can beat Shakhtar in home game, and take at least one point in away game, probably also play a draw in Bergamo. With 8 points second place is pretty realistic, but first they need to play with MC in Manchester, this will be good test for them.

[exbet.io]

We can see Zidane being gone by end of October if two or three more results go wrong, especialy if they lose against Atletico.

[Upgrade00]

Despite the loss suffered by Real will qualify to the second round because it has special players I think the reason for their collapse against Paris is the absence of Ramos and Marcelo.As for Zidane, he knows very well the roles he will play in the future,  We will follow together what will happen in the future.

Special players does not win games, a functioning team does, this begins from the technical aspect of the game, which Zidane got totally wrong in Paris. And no team is guaranteed qualification. This current UCL campaign promises lots of surprises and upsets.

On notable absentees, PSG were equally missing important players in key roles, so that is not really an excuse for the loss.

[Rikafip]

Regarding Dinamo Zagreb being 2nd in the group, while being possible, i don't think that it will happen. They have good chance for being 3rd though and continuing in Europa league. That would also be a very good result.

But maybe i'm just too cautious  as i got used to disappointments when it comes to Dinamo Zagreb and Euro games, i would say that this generation is even better than the one in the late 90s with Viduka, Prosinecki, Cvitanovic..

Why not Dinamo Zagreb can be second in the group? Obviously City is without a doubt the first place favorite, but Atalanta is joke team, they play worst football you can see in CL, and City is win over Shakhtar without any problems, as it is a light training, and not a CL game.

Dinamo can beat Shakhtar in home game, and take at least one point in away game, probably also play a draw in Bergamo. With 8 points second place is pretty realistic, but first they need to play with MC in Manchester, this will be good test for them.

I've been going to Dinamo Zagreb games since 1992, and more than once i had high hopes, but somehow they managed to mess it up each year, with 2 exceptions, in the late 90s and last year.

That being said, this Dinamo Zagreb really looks confident, more mature and a team with a plan. Dinamo always had very talented players, but this year  they managed to keep all their best players except Sunjic who they sold way to cheap (imho he was 2nd or 3rd most important Dinamo player). I didn't say that they cant be 2nd, of course they can, but personally i think it would be very hard and for me 3rd spot would be good too. Atalanta played awful game and Dinamo was brilliant, but Dinamo can also play like crap, and i simply don't want to be caught in euphoria after only 1 round.

[iMark]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud. PSG without Mbappe and Neymar scored 3 Against Real. Di Maria was superb on the pitch, scored a brace.
                

It seems that after losing Ronaldo, Real Madrid lost its role play. they don't have fangs when they compete with a big team. it's not about VAR or something.
they need to change their tactics, and of course add more good players. if they want to win the trophy then zidane needs more star players in their squad.

[Darkoth89]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

And now they are already questioning Zidane, the coach that won the CL with them three times already. They have to admit that they were depending on CR7 more than they thought. After he left, Real is struggling really hard.

[Daniel91]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

And now they are already questioning Zidane, the coach that won the CL with them three times already. They have to admit that they were depending on CR7 more than they thought. After he left, Real is struggling really hard.

Ronaldo is not only problem or reason why Real have so many difficulties now and plays so poorly.
Even at the time Zidane first coached Real, and won the European Championship title three times, Real has never had a game system built, clear strategy and tactics, but relied on the individual quality of the players, which, often with much luck, passed in the Champions League but not in the Spanish Championship.
Now, they don't have Ronaldo any more, didn't get new stars like Pogba or Neymar, and some playsers like Marcelo, Ramos, Modric etc. are to old and can't play at a high level in continuity any longer.

[Daniel91]

Regarding Dinamo Zagreb being 2nd in the group, while being possible, i don't think that it will happen. They have good chance for being 3rd though and continuing in Europa league. That would also be a very good result.

But maybe i'm just too cautious  as i got used to disappointments when it comes to Dinamo Zagreb and Euro games, i would say that this generation is even better than the one in the late 90s with Viduka, Prosinecki, Cvitanovic..

Why not Dinamo Zagreb can be second in the group? Obviously City is without a doubt the first place favorite, but Atalanta is joke team, they play worst football you can see in CL, and City is win over Shakhtar without any problems, as it is a light training, and not a CL game.

Dinamo can beat Shakhtar in home game, and take at least one point in away game, probably also play a draw in Bergamo. With 8 points second place is pretty realistic, but first they need to play with MC in Manchester, this will be good test for them.

I've been going to Dinamo Zagreb games since 1992, and more than once i had high hopes, but somehow they managed to mess it up each year, with 2 exceptions, in the late 90s and last year.

That being said, this Dinamo Zagreb really looks confident, more mature and a team with a plan. Dinamo always had very talented players, but this year  they managed to keep all their best players except Sunjic who they sold way to cheap (imho he was 2nd or 3rd most important Dinamo player). I didn't say that they cant be 2nd, of course they can, but personally i think it would be very hard and for me 3rd spot would be good too. Atalanta played awful game and Dinamo was brilliant, but Dinamo can also play like crap, and i simply don't want to be caught in euphoria after only 1 round.

It's all true what you said but before Dinamo did not have the game system and stability as it has now.
This time the result comes from the compactness of the whole team and clear strategies and that is why I think we will see more great results this time from Dinamo.

[rachman mahesa]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

Despite the loss suffered by Real will qualify to the second round because it has special players I think the reason for their collapse against Paris is the absence of Ramos and Marcelo.As for Zidane, he knows very well the roles he will play in the future,  We will follow together what will happen in the future.

speaking of qualifying for the next round, Surely Real Madrid is very Favorited to qualify for the 16 major champions league. Zidane already knew what he had to do in the future. If Zidane and Real Madrid can rise again, I think they can later become Group Champion. Because Runner up and Champion Group will be very influential on their opponents in the last 16 later.

[efialtis]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

Despite the loss suffered by Real will qualify to the second round because it has special players I think the reason for their collapse against Paris is the absence of Ramos and Marcelo.As for Zidane, he knows very well the roles he will play in the future,  We will follow together what will happen in the future.

speaking of qualifying for the next round, Surely Real Madrid is very Favorited to qualify for the 16 major champions league. Zidane already knew what he had to do in the future. If Zidane and Real Madrid can rise again, I think they can later become Group Champion. Because Runner up and Champion Group will be very influential on their opponents in the last 16 later.

What? Honestly, I cant follow your argumentation, actually I dont even understand what you mean or if I do, this post doesnt make sense at all...

[Darkoth89]

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And now they are already questioning Zidane, the coach that won the CL with them three times already. They have to admit that they were depending on CR7 more than they thought. After he left, Real is struggling really hard.

Ronaldo is not only problem or reason why Real have so many difficulties now and plays so poorly.
Even at the time Zidane first coached Real, and won the European Championship title three times, Real has never had a game system built, clear strategy and tactics, but relied on the individual quality of the players, which, often with much luck, passed in the Champions League but not in the Spanish Championship.
Now, they don't have Ronaldo any more, didn't get new stars like Pogba or Neymar, and some playsers like Marcelo, Ramos, Modric etc. are to old and can't play at a high level in continuity any longer.

Yes, I know what you mean. Also Kroos isn't as good anymore as he used to be. Then all the drama about Bale: Zidane said in public that he should find a new club but in the end no one was willing to pay his immense salary so he had to stay. But nevertheless, players like Vinícius Júnior, Rodrygo, Jovic and especially Hazard are perfect to build a strong team around. This might take some time.

[Rikafip]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

And now they are already questioning Zidane, the coach that won the CL with them three times already. They have to admit that they were depending on CR7 more than they thought. After he left, Real is struggling really hard.

Ronaldo is not only problem or reason why Real have so many difficulties now and plays so poorly.
Even at the time Zidane first coached Real, and won the European Championship title three times, Real has never had a game system built, clear strategy and tactics, but relied on the individual quality of the players, which, often with much luck, passed in the Champions League but not in the Spanish Championship.
Now, they don't have Ronaldo any more, didn't get new stars like Pogba or Neymar, and some playsers like Marcelo, Ramos, Modric etc. are to old and can't play at a high level in continuity any longer.

+1

Real Madrid needs complete revamp of the team, what they did this year won't be enough. It will take them few years probably to be CL contenders, but sooner they start doing it, sooner they get some results. But all this was kinda expected, C.Ronaldo ended one era of Real Madrid. And i might add that I expected more from Hazard, but probably he just still need more time to adjust. Modric was also not good his first season in Real, remember some even saying signing him was a mistake. Hazard is class player, so i think he will overcome this, and start working more on physical aspect, he is kinda out of shape.

Most likely same will happen to Barcelona when Messi retires/leaves, that's how it goes.

[Barracuda]

Real Madrid should worry about their future. I Don't think on this season Madrid will won a single trophy with this kind of performance. Zidane should change his tactics because current tactics Isn't working.Also some injuries causing great harms to the sqaud.
                

Things like this that are worried by supporters of Real Madrid. Like it or not They will be without any title this season again, Real Madrid's decline is very drastic at this time. To be sure their core players (who are currently injured) greatly affect the overall game of Real Madrid.

And now they are already questioning Zidane, the coach that won the CL with them three times already. They have to admit that they were depending on CR7 more than they thought. After he left, Real is struggling really hard.

Ronaldo is not only problem or reason why Real have so many difficulties now and plays so poorly.
Even at the time Zidane first coached Real, and won the European Championship title three times, Real has never had a game system built, clear strategy and tactics, but relied on the individual quality of the players, which, often with much luck, passed in the Champions League but not in the Spanish Championship.
Now, they don't have Ronaldo any more, didn't get new stars like Pogba or Neymar, and some playsers like Marcelo, Ramos, Modric etc. are to old and can't play at a high level in continuity any longer.

+1

Real Madrid needs complete revamp of the team, what they did this year won't be enough. It will take them few years probably to be CL contenders, but sooner they start doing it, sooner they get some results. But all this was kinda expected, C.Ronaldo ended one era of Real Madrid. And i might add that I expected more from Hazard, but probably he just still need more time to adjust. Modric was also not good his first season in Real, remember some even saying signing him was a mistake. Hazard is class player, so i think he will overcome this, and start working more on physical aspect, he is kinda out of shape.

Most likely same will happen to Barcelona when Messi retires/leaves, that's how it goes.

The point of everything you say is that Real Madrid has not been optimal during this season. They lost the game like 2-3 the previous season. Hazard and Ronaldo are different players, so far Hazard has not contributed much to Real Madrid. So Hazard cannot be compared to his role as Ronaldo.