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Since TECSHARE apparently can't handle outside opinions regarding his personal feelings toward Flying Hellfish, the P&S moderator, I thought it prudent to open my own thread regarding the issue to foster an uncensored discussion about censorship.

His latest critique of FH reads as follows:

Now Flying Hellfish is resorting to deleting entire topics just because they embarrass him?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065043.0

Free version of this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065324.0;all

I just want to know why you didn't mention that the topic in reference was his own. Anybody is allowed to delete their own topic in P&S; that's not against the rules, so I don't know how it would pertain to "SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP." Can you please elaborate on this and why it is worth mentioning in your locked thread about censorship?

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August 07, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
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Self-enforcement is a logical extension to self-flagellation, and there is a lot of self-flagellation here. Smiley

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August 07, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
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It seems Meta board has never been lack of drama. In short, self-moderation is a kind of censorship, as same as post deleting by moderators. Censoships, in turn, have two sides:
- Positive: To help the forum as clean as possible by censor shitposts, off-topic posts, trolling, etc. or to help threads' owners kick out bad posters in their threads. I don't see any kind of bad effects of censorship in those cases. Someone who step in house of others, have to self-understand that they have to accept local rules of those householders. If they don't accept local rules, don't step in, just stay outside. If they don't accept local rules, but still try to step in, they will be kicked out sooner or later; and they have to accept that fact.
- Negative: bad guys can create their self-moderated threads, then use their rights of censorship to manipulate their threads in the way they originally want, such as to scam investors. In those case, posts that say facts about scam projects will be censored by threads' creators.




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August 07, 2019, 05:06:19 PM
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This again?  What was the thread that got deleted?  I can't see what it was about and thus can't pass any judgement on either FH or TECSHARE--but I know those two are feuding at the moment.

I think people in P&S like to argue, which makes sense, and it doesn't surprise me that TECSHARE frequents that section.  I don't understand the draw to it or other related sections like Off-Topic, since they're mostly spam (I think; I haven't visited either one of them lately).  There are lots of other discussion boards dealing with politics, so if you don't like the moderation in that one section here....find another place to talk about that stuff, maybe? 

I've read complaints about FH before, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything other than his job.  Perhaps TECSHARE will weigh in on this.

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August 07, 2019, 06:28:08 PM
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There are lots of other discussion boards dealing with politics, so if you don't like the moderation in that one section here....find another place to talk about that stuff, maybe?
I second that, and for me  the serious discussion board is appropriate for that, i myself feel more comfortable posting real life matters and also topics on politics, philosophy etc in the SD section, the only thing is it probably doesn't get enough traffic as it will in the P&S board, but that's not a problem, few good replies is actually better than unnecessary back and forth arguments and incessant complaints on censorship.

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August 07, 2019, 08:06:20 PM
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Can we just stop allowing TECSHARE to continue his personal attacks on Flying Hellfish and just let them sort it out privately? This thread is not going to achieve anything and the only thing it will do is create drama here on the forum which I think we have had about enough this year.
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Well it's his topic, I don't see the reason why he can't delete his own topic in the first place. Of course it would be a different story when he is using his position to screen all thread he is receiving. If I am an OP and I see one of my threads is getting out of hand I am glad that I always have a choice that I'll be able to delete the topic and all the conversation once and for all. It's like how a newbie reacts when he doesn't get the answers he wants or the topic simply gets out of hand he either abandons it or he deletes it on his own.

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August 07, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
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Now Flying Hellfish is resorting to deleting entire topics just because they embarrass him?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065043.0

As usual the fucking trolls make an assumption and state it as fact.  I did NOT delete my thread.  Although having a locked censorship thread doesn't allow me to actually correct the stunned cunt!

Ironically I am curious which global (or admin) decided it was breaking forum rules in order to delete it.  Hopefully whoever it was will see this and chime in for me.

Having the ability to do something does not AUTOMATICALLY mean you did that thing...

In another twist, the thread as mentioned by the OP was MINE and self mod'd.  FFS I am allowed to delete any or all posts and then the thread (self mod'd) I want end of fucking story just like ANY OTHER USER, don't like it well tongue my sweaty taint!!!


...in your locked thread about censorship?



If you're looking for the trolls to understand IRONY you are pissing into a hurricane mate!

It awful convenient that a troll like TECSHARE will leave out important facts like it was a self mod'd thread so he (FH) like any other user is perfectly allowed to do this.

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TECSHARE crying like a bitch in a locked thread of his about me (NOT) deleting my own self mod'd thread.

P&S is full of right wing conspiracy retards at the moment, the echo chamber is a full on circle jerk of retardedness, once in a while something I do will piss off one of the hard core trolls and they will cry and cry and cry, so loud everyone else MUST listen.  Once in a while it spills over to META as well, BTCT has some over achieving trolls what  are you gonna do?!
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August 08, 2019, 03:17:16 AM
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Now Flying Hellfish is resorting to deleting entire topics just because they embarrass him?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065043.0

As usual the fucking trolls make an assumption and state it as fact.  I did NOT delete my thread.  Although having a locked censorship thread doesn't allow me to actually correct the stunned cunt!

Ironically I am curious which global (or admin) decided it was breaking forum rules in order to delete it.  Hopefully whoever it was will see this and chime in for me.

Well, that answers that.

P&S is full of right wing conspiracy retards at the moment, the echo chamber is a full on circle jerk of retardedness

I agree with this -- the disproportionality of right and left in P&S is a bit unnerving. Its a bit daunting to post comments that aren't in line with right wing groupthink. Something about bitcoin attracts right-wing conspiracy enthusiasts. What's funny is here, I'm a big lib, but if I go to Facebook I'm on the right...

Oh well, FH you're doing the best job you can, despite the wackiness of some of your board residents..

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Just because you are allowed to do it doesn't mean it does not reflect poorly on you. Thanks everyone for helping me draw more attention to these issues. Much appreciated.


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Just because you are allowed to do it doesn't mean it does not reflect poorly on you. Thanks everyone for helping me draw more attention to these issues. Much appreciated.

Dude. He didn't delete his fucking thread. Can you read?

Now Flying Hellfish is resorting to deleting entire topics just because they embarrass him?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065043.0

As usual the fucking trolls make an assumption and state it as fact.  I did NOT delete my thread.

Besides, even if he did, how does it "reflect poorly" on him? Even if in your mind it does reflect poorly on him, what does that have to do with his actions as a moderator?

You avoided my original question as well: why didn't you mention he was the one who started the topic?

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August 08, 2019, 09:50:18 AM
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MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS FROM NUTILDAH - this Dirty Turd and his GANG who advocated giving RED TRUST for deleting posts from a self moderated thread if it is done to them LOL

BUT nobody else is even allowed to complain about it.

Nutildah just gives red trust for content you present that he does not like regarding his observable past as a scam facilitator for 0.3 BTC and demonstrating his friends are equally as dirty,  and his friends VOD, ADOLPHINWOLF AND LFC  direct give red trust for daring to self moderate your own thread.  why not complaining about that scum bag??

So nutildah prefers to give RED TRUST for words (TRUTH) that he does not like spoken. And self moderation is allowed if it fits with DT's approval. However if you self mod and delete their posts you will get a SCAM TAG??

Got to love the clear racket this board is allowing.




I just want to know why you didn't mention that the topic in reference was his own. Anybody is allowed to delete their own topic in P&S; that's not against the rules, so I don't know how it would pertain to "SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND CENSORSHIP." Can you please elaborate on this and why it is worth mentioning in your locked thread about censorship?




In another twist, the thread as mentioned by the OP was MINE and self mod'd.  FFS I am allowed to delete any or all posts and then the thread (self mod'd) I want end of fucking story just like ANY OTHER USER, don't like it well tongue my sweaty taint!!!





Well NO not really. Several DT scumbags believe self moderated threads mean you get RED TRUST for deleting their groundless off topic and irrelevant junk.

You delete something they don't like IT'S A PROBLEM. Like vod who came to our thread screaming OG is a liar 2x which we allowed, but told him he must present proof if he keeps repeating it. He then just said it again with no evidence. We deleted it and said sorry you must present evidence of this claim and he goes and gives us a scam tag.

Same for that other miscreant and untrustworthy shit stain aldophinwolf

Then Laudas Feltching Clown again gives red trust for deleting his bogus junk.


AS YOU CAN SEE YOU CAN NOT DELETE WANT YOU WANT HERE ON A SELF MODERATED THREAD.

User   Date   Reference   Comments
nutildah   2019-07-20      491 posts of pure trash talking, hatred and vitriol. Not one good-willed or even well-intentioned thought among thousands of rambling sentences. Cryptohunter is a spiteful lunatic who seemingly will not rest until the forum has been destroyed. Avoid interactions with this user, or his alt accounts, at all cost.
bitmover   2019-06-12   Reference   Rude, childish and delusional (attacking me without any reason). Not trustworth.
AdolfinWolf   2019-05-30      Self moderated threads are really the epitome of being a scammer.
Especially considering what posts you're deleting.
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Please, do not converse with these trolls anymore.
LFC_Bitcoin   2019-05-27      Hides behind self moderated threads & deletes any posts that don’t suit his narrative.
Coward & total cunt. Do not trust this person. See multiple other red trust for clarification.
Vod   2019-05-06   Reference   Deletes my words and replaces them with his own, in his censored thread. This is the last time I will interact with this coward.
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THEYMOS changed the trust system for the better but leaves a FUCKING HUGE RED SIGHN ON YOUR ACCOUNT SAYING YOU ARE FINANCIALLY DANGEROUS AND A SCAMMER if you have more negatives than positives on THE OLD SHIT SYSTEM THAT HAD TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE TRUST ABUSING DIRTY TURDS LIKE YOUR PALS LAUDA, TMAN, AND THESE OTHER STINKERS  are giving out scam tags to whistleblowers.  So just because you were trust abused under the system that was so broken it allowed this kind of abuse you are branded a scammer now for life. That's a good plan.

So yes people apparently CAN COMPLAIN IF YOU DELETE THEIR COMMENTS AND THEY ARE WELL WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO GIVE YOU A SCAM TAG ACCORDING TO THE BOARD RULES. We they can if they are untrustworthy shit stains that get themselves elected to DT within this broken down moronic design we have right now.

Luckily new members or those getting this trust abuse against their accounts from now on will not get that YOU ARE A SCAMMER NOTICE AT THE TOP OF EVERY THREAD THEY START.

Give the scum bag a red tag and see how he likes it. You can get a red tag here for doing ANYTHING the Dirty turds don't like. However you can not even COMPLAIN if they do the same things they give a scam tag for.

FLUSH THESE TURDS FOR FFS THEYMOS. This boards trust pool is a fucking embarrassment and they mostly all make sure they are getting paid at the highest rates here in meta to post these kind of blatant double standards turds. BAN SIGS IN META so we don't need to read their self serving garbage.
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Just because you are allowed to do it doesn't mean it does not reflect poorly on you. Thanks everyone for helping me draw more attention to these issues. Much appreciated.

Funny how when tecshare is dead wrong about something he just ignores it like it never happened. This is the first thread that he's run away from as far as I can remember. Normally he can't stand not having the last word.

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BUT nobody else is even allowed to complain about it.
You're allowed to complain all you like, but man....when you keep writing long screeds like this one, don't expect people to even finish reading, much less give you any credibility.  Nobody is censoring dissent here.  It just happens that your arguments don't garner a lot of support, which is a fact that you keep missing.

Funny how when tecshare is dead wrong about something he just ignores it like it never happened.
In his defense, a lot of people do the exact same thing whether they're right or wrong.

This is the first thread that he's run away from as far as I can remember. Normally he can't stand not having the last word.
Maybe he's growing up.  Hey, he included me on his trust list, which is something I never expected.  But I suspect he won't stop being such a hothead.  That's apparently in his nature--and the thread isn't locked yet, so there's still time for him to come back and give his retort.

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BUT nobody else is even allowed to complain about it.
You're allowed to complain all you like, but man....when you keep writing long screeds like this one, don't expect people to even finish reading, much less give you any credibility.  Nobody is censoring dissent here.  It just happens that your arguments don't garner a lot of support, which is a fact that you keep missing.

Funny how when tecshare is dead wrong about something he just ignores it like it never happened.
In his defense, a lot of people do the exact same thing whether they're right or wrong.

This is the first thread that he's run away from as far as I can remember. Normally he can't stand not having the last word.
Maybe he's growing up.  Hey, he included me on his trust list, which is something I never expected.  But I suspect he won't stop being such a hothead.  That's apparently in his nature--and the thread isn't locked yet, so there's still time for him to come back and give his retort.

1. Independently verifiable observable instances do not require the person presenting them to have ANY credibility.
2. There is NO argument, the post above demonstrates clear and undeniable double standards.
3. To "garner support" in meta for highlighting UNDENIABLE PROBLEMS with the systems of control is impossible since the people that frequent meta are those that benefit the most from preventing changes taking place, and will deny any problems exist. Like yourself.

Example.

VOD - comes to our self moderated thread and makes the same accusation 2x that OG  is a LIAR and untrustworthy . We allowed it 2x but told him he MUST present clear corroborating evidence to keep plastering the same assumption on our self moderated thread and deleted his 3rd accusation claiming THE SAME THING.  He  then gives us RED TRUST claiming this is untrustworthy?? WTF  even if we had removed ALL 3 instances of his unsubstantiated claims it would not be untrustworthy, but we allowed it to remain there the first 2 x Huh

On our other self moderated threads, other idiots turn up and make ACCUSATIONS or statements again with NO corroborating evidence or even attempting to validate their claims.. We deleted those and received more RED TRUST.

WE ON THE OTHER HAND ask hhampuz a question and EVEN VALIDATE THE QUESTIONS WITH CLEAR UNDENIABLE OBSERVABLE INSTANCES THAT NOBODY EVEN ATTEMPTED TO REFUTE OR DENY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT ....what happens?Huh?? we get red trust for LYING??? DEFAMATION???  This is ridiculous and observably a broken system to even allow this. 

LOL  this is independently verifiable.  We don't require support for any argument. 

The FACT you are unable to still grasp this point, and still believe that one must be "credible" to present observable instances that are independently verifiable is quite amusing.

The FACT you are being paid to output this low functioning drivel is certainly something that should be questioned when being one of a tiny handful of people being paid to post at the very highest rates on the entire board. Really such campaigns should be called to explain their choices and provide explanation if these posters make far to many public posts that are debunked and of low to negative value.

We say again. These types of net negative posts are more damaging than pure spam. Those readers that are placing faith in gamed nonsense like merit may take your words to have some value when they are grossly net negative.

There is clear PRESSURE both in terms of REWARD (merits) and PUNISHMENT (double standards trust abuse) to censor and crush free speech. This has been mitigated slightly with the new trust system, however still much work to do if you really want to see a fair(er) environment for all members.


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August 20, 2019, 02:19:23 AM
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BUT nobody else is even allowed to complain about it.
You're allowed to complain all you like, but man....when you keep writing long screeds like this one, don't expect people to even finish reading, much less give you any credibility.  Nobody is censoring dissent here.  It just happens that your arguments don't garner a lot of support, which is a fact that you keep missing.

Funny how when tecshare is dead wrong about something he just ignores it like it never happened.
In his defense, a lot of people do the exact same thing whether they're right or wrong.

This is the first thread that he's run away from as far as I can remember. Normally he can't stand not having the last word.
Maybe he's growing up.  Hey, he included me on his trust list, which is something I never expected.  But I suspect he won't stop being such a hothead.  That's apparently in his nature--and the thread isn't locked yet, so there's still time for him to come back and give his retort.

I have already explained myself and said everything that needed to be said in my op. This is just another sad cry for attention from nutilduhh.


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I have already explained myself and said everything that needed to be said in my op. This is just another sad cry for attention from nutilduhh.

Actually I was genuinely curious as to why you never admitted you were wrong about FH deleting his thread. He didn't delete it, yet you continue to insist that he did. It was just a little bizarre to me.

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I have already explained myself and said everything that needed to be said in my op. This is just another sad cry for attention from nutilduhh.

Actually I was genuinely curious as to why you never admitted you were wrong about FH deleting his thread. He didn't delete it, yet you continue to insist that he did. It was just a little bizarre to me.

Because TECSHARE isn't interested in what ACTUALLY happened he is ONLY interested in pushing his agenda and playing the victim card.

Having a locked thread where only he can complain about a problem isn't the act of someone who wants to discuss and understand an issue but someone who sticks his fingers in his ears and whines so he can't hear anyone else.
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I have already explained myself and said everything that needed to be said in my op. This is just another sad cry for attention from nutilduhh.

Actually I was genuinely curious as to why you never admitted you were wrong about FH deleting his thread. He didn't delete it, yet you continue to insist that he did. It was just a little bizarre to me.

Because TECSHARE isn't interested in what ACTUALLY happened he is ONLY interested in pushing his agenda and playing the victim card.

Having a locked thread where only he can complain about a problem isn't the act of someone who wants to discuss and understand an issue but someone who sticks his fingers in his ears and whines so he can't hear anyone else.

Nope. That is you to a T. What my post is is a log of your selective enforcement and your inability to separate your personal feelings from your job as a moderator. No discussion is required, and as you see if discussion is desired a thread such as this can be opened. What exactly is the issue?


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What exactly is the issue?

To some people lying would be an issue but not to you apparently Grin

Gotta love a thin-skinned megatroll snowflaking into a muddy puddle.

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