Fairlay withholding my BTC for currently no real explanation

[degen1]

Fair Warning: I've posted on a few other forums, but seems like this is one that Fairlay actually responds to, so apologies if you've already seen


I’ve been an established user of Fairlay for the last 7 months, VIP level 5, and have generally had a great relationship with them (even reporting bugs several times and also suggesting site improvements that were implemented)

Around 12 days ago, I submitted a deposit and it was not credited to my account, I had been using the site consistently day to day for the months prior. I reported the issue and what seemed to be a bug, eventually they said that my account was flagged.

My coin is all legit, never used a dark site in my life, I always bet so no question of money laundering (the only scam I’ve seen reported was bc someone was depositing and not betting), and no funny business in terms of betting. Also my most recent deposit was straight from an exchange so, I know specifically there’s nothing wrong with that deposit. Additionally, it feels especially questionable as they could have warned me before I deposited and locked up my money if my account was flagged, this way it looks like they intentionally were trying to wait for a next deposit.

They stopped responding to me over a week ago, and they’ve never told me what I’m getting flagged for, which is the worst part. All was said was that an “external party” flagged my account. That in itself is questionable, how could a third party even be involved? I’ve been patient, I’ve offered to help, and I’ve done everything they’ve asked (they asked for a number to reach me). I hate blasting them, and have waited a long time to do so to give them a fair chance, but it’s looking increasingly like nothing is happening so I’m trying to lever pressure for at least a response or explanation.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. I am so very confident that I did nothing to violate their terms and conditions, and they seem to be violating clauses in their t&c and faqs themselves

[Naida_BR]

I am not aware of this casino.
And I wonder if anyone else is...
Just don't make installments on casinos that do not exist for a long period of time or they have at least one negative review. If they have even one negative review... then something goes wrong with them.

[buwaytress]

I'm a pretty avid fairlay bettor actually, though generally only on straight out underdog bets or for picking tourney winners. Never had a problem with them and I'm only up 1 level... First time I have heard of this.

Did you try out all the contacts including the vip email noted in the faq?

Best post in the official thread and link this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.560

I'd be really surprised if that's the only reason or reply...

Which exchange lets you withdraw to native segwit btw? Curious!

[Artemis3]

Fair Warning: I've posted on a few other forums, but seems like this is one that Fairlay actually responds to, so apologies if you've already seen


I’ve been an established user of Fairlay for the last 7 months, VIP level 5, and have generally had a great relationship with them (even reporting bugs several times and also suggesting site improvements that were implemented)

Around 12 days ago, I submitted a deposit and it was not credited to my account, I had been using the site consistently day to day for the months prior. I reported the issue and what seemed to be a bug, eventually they said that my account was flagged.

My coin is all legit, never used a dark site in my life, I always bet so no question of money laundering (the only scam I’ve seen reported was bc someone was depositing and not betting), and no funny business in terms of betting. Also my most recent deposit was straight from an exchange so, I know specifically there’s nothing wrong with that deposit. Additionally, it feels especially questionable as they could have warned me before I deposited and locked up my money if my account was flagged, this way it looks like they intentionally were trying to wait for a next deposit.

They stopped responding to me over a week ago, and they’ve never told me what I’m getting flagged for, which is the worst part. All was said was that an “external party” flagged my account. That in itself is questionable, how could a third party even be involved? I’ve been patient, I’ve offered to help, and I’ve done everything they’ve asked (they asked for a number to reach me). I hate blasting them, and have waited a long time to do so to give them a fair chance, but it’s looking increasingly like nothing is happening so I’m trying to lever pressure for at least a response or explanation.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. I am so very confident that I did nothing to violate their terms and conditions, and they seem to be violating clauses in their t&c and faqs themselves

Well you say they "respond here", so where is their official thread? Usually most gambling sites open their own official thread. I did a quick search for Fairlay here in the Gambling area but nothing came out, what is the name of their site again?

Do try, in fact, remove; any copies of this post. If you have done cross-posting, you might get yourself in trouble with the forum. Stick to a single post about this matter in a single place. Maybe here or in Gambling Discussion if this is a gambling site. Otherwise service discussion i think. Cross posting not only does not make your message more read, it might in fact trigger mod reaction and you will get the opposite effect. Don't say sorry, just don't do it, you already know its bad.

I would also like to know why you are flagged and what "third party" system is in place for flagging people. Authorities? Is there a database somewhere of stolen coins exchanges and casinos are diligently checking funds against?

[elabor77]

Fair Warning: I've posted on a few other forums, but seems like this is one that Fairlay actually responds to, so apologies if you've already seen


I would also like to know why you are flagged and what "third party" system is in place for flagging people. Authorities? Is there a database somewhere of stolen coins exchanges and casinos are diligently checking funds against?

Certainly, if you use Skrill / Neteller, it is stipulated in the contract that they can exchange our information with bookmakers.
Instead for BTC deposits / withdrawals you have to be careful that the BTC addresses are personal.
Finally, we must be careful about the cookies that some bookmakers use to spy on us

[eternalgloom]

Do try, in fact, remove; any copies of this post. If you have done cross-posting, you might get yourself in trouble with the forum. Stick to a single post about this matter in a single place. Maybe here or in Gambling Discussion if this is a gambling site. Otherwise service discussion i think. Cross posting not only does not make your message more read, it might in fact trigger mod reaction and you will get the opposite effect. Don't say sorry, just don't do it, you already know its bad.

He doesn't have to remove the post, he just needs to give a source if possible.
Though in this case, he already prefaced his post saying that he posted this on multiple forums, I think it's clear he's not plagiarizing.

Now, OP, you really need to reach out in as many public channels as possible. I hope you've already contacted them in Twitter as well? Maybe even reddit?
If you're telling the truth, it's plain and simple theft they're committing. 

[degen1]

Do try, in fact, remove; any copies of this post. If you have done cross-posting, you might get yourself in trouble with the forum. Stick to a single post about this matter in a single place. Maybe here or in Gambling Discussion if this is a gambling site. Otherwise service discussion i think. Cross posting not only does not make your message more read, it might in fact trigger mod reaction and you will get the opposite effect. Don't say sorry, just don't do it, you already know its bad.

He doesn't have to remove the post, he just needs to give a source if possible.
Though in this case, he already prefaced his post saying that he posted this on multiple forums, I think it's clear he's not plagiarizing.

Now, OP, you really need to reach out in as many public channels as possible. I hope you've already contacted them in Twitter as well? Maybe even reddit?
If you're telling the truth, it's plain and simple theft they're committing. 

I did tweet, I don't know about a Reddit - they claim a 3rd party has allegations against me but I can't think of what it could be. I know it's not source of where I sent my deposit, as I am still fine.

Do you have other forums/places I should be posting on?

[ryzaadit]

Reading Fairly Thread, I see there so many problems for their service with :

• Match
• Wager
• etc.

Also, some people say their service support was really hard to contact. But the weird thing you need to pay some mBTC only to contact their support VIP, Don't know what the difference with the support service VIP or Non-VIP. Because of that, I suggest to everyone better avoid this service.

Now, OP, you really need to reach out in as many public channels as possible. I hope you've already contacted them in Twitter as well? Maybe even reddit?
If you're telling the truth, it's plain and simple theft they're committing. 

The account of fairlay, inform us of their "Text Account" don't contact them at here. I think you will not get response from them at here.

[kryptqnick]

I think you should move this thread (or make a new one?) in the Reputation board of this forum. This is where suspicious cases belong, and this is where they receive attention and get investigated. If you go with moving the thread, just scroll till the end of the first page and look near the left bottom corner, it should have a 'Move' button.
I don't think I even heard of Fairlay, but it seems to be a casino with normal reputation. At least, even though back in 2017 there was a scam accusation thread against them, their bitcointalk account does not have negative trust feedback. The profile has not been active for weeks, unfortunately, but I guess there's a chance they'll respond to a reputation thread if you make it. I hope the matter will be peacefully resolved, and you'll get your money in case you did not violate any of the casino's rules. You can also try to attract their attention by posting something in their ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.0
Good luck!

[ralle14]

Reading Fairly Thread, I see there so many problems for their service with :

• Match
• Wager
• etc.

Also, some people say their service support was really hard to contact. But the weird thing you need to pay some mBTC only to contact their support VIP, Don't know what the difference with the support service VIP or Non-VIP. Because of that, I suggest to everyone better avoid this service.

Back then contacting them or their support was an issue because there would be times when their chatbox isn't active. Other than their official email, the chatbox is the only way to get in contact with their support if you have a problem. But those problem you'll see in the thread are old problems and no one's complaining about their service recently until now.

I did tweet, I don't know about a Reddit - they claim a 3rd party has allegations against me but I can't think of what it could be. I know it's not source of where I sent my deposit, as I am still fine.

Do you have other forums/places I should be posting on?

You could try sharing your issue here in this subreddit. A user who had a similar issue (confiscated funds) posted his problem there and it gained a lot of attention. 

[Artemis3]

I think you should move this thread (or make a new one?) in the Reputation board of this forum. This is where suspicious cases belong, and this is where they receive attention and get investigated. If you go with moving the thread, just scroll till the end of the first page and look near the left bottom corner, it should have a 'Move' button.
I don't think I even heard of Fairlay, but it seems to be a casino with normal reputation. At least, even though back in 2017 there was a scam accusation thread against them, their bitcointalk account does not have negative trust feedback. The profile has not been active for weeks, unfortunately, but I guess there's a chance they'll respond to a reputation thread if you make it. I hope the matter will be peacefully resolved, and you'll get your money in case you did not violate any of the casino's rules. You can also try to attract their attention by posting something in their ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.0
Good luck!

Definitively these. Move this thread to Reputation board, AND make a post in their official thread. That's what i meant in my previous post, good find kryptqnick

[veleten]

I would wait for the response from their support first
Fairlay has a good reputation and I never had any problems with them
as for the possible reasons it could be the tainted coins you got from an exchange or your IP flagged
it is not like the bookie wants to steal your coins - they got an alert from the security team and then it all goes "we check and do not tell you what it is"
leaving a polite reminder in their topic here and nagging support usually helps more than any confrontation
but if it results in nothing good for  you and your money are held , open a scam accusation topic , but for now I would suggest waiting for a response
sometimes false positives happen , errare humanum est like our Latin friends used to say

[dunfida]

I can attest to their reputation and also i dont have any problems with them as veleten suggested this would be the best
thing to be done now where you should wait up for some response on the team and give out some specific time.If things goes
already long to wait then thats the time to open some accusations.

but for now I would suggest waiting for a response
sometimes false positives happen , errare humanum est like our Latin friends used to say

[Samarkand]

...
as for the possible reasons it could be the tainted coins you got from an exchange or your IP flagged
...

If tainted coins are the problem he would have a problem with the exchange as well.
But he stated that he has no issues with his account at the exchange where
the funds were coming from.

I´m really curious which 3rd party Fairlay is talking about here. Given the fact that
Fairlay is not licensed anywhere in the world I don´t really understand why they would
work with a company like Chainalysis (I suspect that the 3rd party that they talk
about is one of these blockchain analytics companies).

[Artemis3]

...
as for the possible reasons it could be the tainted coins you got from an exchange or your IP flagged
...

If tainted coins are the problem he would have a problem with the exchange as well.
But he stated that he has no issues with his account at the exchange where
the funds were coming from.

I´m really curious which 3rd party Fairlay is talking about here. Given the fact that
Fairlay is not licensed anywhere in the world I don´t really understand why they would
work with a company like Chainalysis (I suspect that the 3rd party that they talk
about is one of these blockchain analytics companies).

And where is the central authority to learn what coins are tainted and not? What makes you think that particular exchange used the same source as them? As far as i know that space is pretty much chaotic, victims of theft have nowhere to go beyond their local authorities (which more often than not do nothing), and there are also victims of false accusations or who bought the coins without suspecting anything.

One advantage of mining your own coins is you have 100% proof they are clean, unfortunately as time passes less and less coins will come from mining and more will be the same ones re-circulating, and ultimately some of those will come from dubious origins. Also i would like to know how the few recovered coins get cleared again. This might not seem important now, but it will become more and more important as time passes, because freshly mined coins will become more and more scarce.

[Sharon121212]

Hard luck on the lock up of your coin. Have you had any email from them prior to the incident. We can get emails that moves straight to spam messages or Trash without going straight to our inbox.

[veleten]

...
as for the possible reasons it could be the tainted coins you got from an exchange or your IP flagged
...

If tainted coins are the problem he would have a problem with the exchange as well.
But he stated that he has no issues with his account at the exchange where
the funds were coming from.

I´m really curious which 3rd party Fairlay is talking about here. Given the fact that
Fairlay is not licensed anywhere in the world I don´t really understand why they would
work with a company like Chainalysis (I suspect that the 3rd party that they talk
about is one of these blockchain analytics companies).

OP disappeared it seems, either his issue was solved or he had no case at all ( things like that  happen ,sometimes people come and try to mess with a casino they hate ,smearing its reputation )
3rd party could be one of the analytics companies or the exchange itself , we don't know , but I don't see Fairlay holding coins without a good reason
if they are AML compliant ,  they are forced to react to the queries
even if they are not licensed , they could get in troubles with the authorities and they would not want their business paralyzed because of some dude

[adzino]

Fair Warning: I've posted on a few other forums, but seems like this is one that Fairlay actually responds to, so apologies if you've already seen


I’ve been an established user of Fairlay for the last 7 months, VIP level 5, and have generally had a great relationship with them (even reporting bugs several times and also suggesting site improvements that were implemented)

Around 12 days ago, I submitted a deposit and it was not credited to my account, I had been using the site consistently day to day for the months prior. I reported the issue and what seemed to be a bug, eventually they said that my account was flagged.

My coin is all legit, never used a dark site in my life, I always bet so no question of money laundering (the only scam I’ve seen reported was bc someone was depositing and not betting), and no funny business in terms of betting. Also my most recent deposit was straight from an exchange so, I know specifically there’s nothing wrong with that deposit. Additionally, it feels especially questionable as they could have warned me before I deposited and locked up my money if my account was flagged, this way it looks like they intentionally were trying to wait for a next deposit.

They stopped responding to me over a week ago, and they’ve never told me what I’m getting flagged for, which is the worst part. All was said was that an “external party” flagged my account. That in itself is questionable, how could a third party even be involved? I’ve been patient, I’ve offered to help, and I’ve done everything they’ve asked (they asked for a number to reach me). I hate blasting them, and have waited a long time to do so to give them a fair chance, but it’s looking increasingly like nothing is happening so I’m trying to lever pressure for at least a response or explanation.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. I am so very confident that I did nothing to violate their terms and conditions, and they seem to be violating clauses in their t&c and faqs themselves

This isn't the right place to post. Go to the scam accusation section and post with valid proof. Never hear of fairly but did a quick google search using the term "fairlay legit" and "fairlay scam". Looks like some of the other people also faced the same problem. Their coins were held with no slow response from them with almost no intention of giving it back. Even if you did something wrong, they shouldn't ignore your completely. Lets see what they have to say. You have the right to challenge their  "flagging" of your account.

[Ranly123]

Fair Warning: I've posted on a few other forums, but seems like this is one that Fairlay actually responds to, so apologies if you've already seen


I’ve been an established user of Fairlay for the last 7 months, VIP level 5, and have generally had a great relationship with them (even reporting bugs several times and also suggesting site improvements that were implemented)

Around 12 days ago, I submitted a deposit and it was not credited to my account, I had been using the site consistently day to day for the months prior. I reported the issue and what seemed to be a bug, eventually they said that my account was flagged.

My coin is all legit, never used a dark site in my life, I always bet so no question of money laundering (the only scam I’ve seen reported was bc someone was depositing and not betting), and no funny business in terms of betting. Also my most recent deposit was straight from an exchange so, I know specifically there’s nothing wrong with that deposit. Additionally, it feels especially questionable as they could have warned me before I deposited and locked up my money if my account was flagged, this way it looks like they intentionally were trying to wait for a next deposit.

They stopped responding to me over a week ago, and they’ve never told me what I’m getting flagged for, which is the worst part. All was said was that an “external party” flagged my account. That in itself is questionable, how could a third party even be involved? I’ve been patient, I’ve offered to help, and I’ve done everything they’ve asked (they asked for a number to reach me). I hate blasting them, and have waited a long time to do so to give them a fair chance, but it’s looking increasingly like nothing is happening so I’m trying to lever pressure for at least a response or explanation.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. I am so very confident that I did nothing to violate their terms and conditions, and they seem to be violating clauses in their t&c and faqs themselves

Try checking their rules and regulations with regards to their security. Maybe your account has been hacked and they want to make sure that you are the real owner of it since they have detected a third party that flagged your account.

[carter34]

I think Op should try getting them on their official ANN and also raise a thread in reputation board since he seem not to understand the situation anymore, maybe somebody can raise something that will help him. Good luck.