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August 08, 2019, 10:24:22 AM
Last edit: August 08, 2019, 10:46:33 AM by bubbalex
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What happened, I'm manager of Iskra Bounty campaign - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150860
Spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HuD_TrbWwnQMsMZjQaI-1pGELrHGIdGsxL3NaYUPbXA/edit#gid=1140810585
Telegram - https://t.me/lucem_chat (I exported chat history to .html file) I banned him in chat, so he shouldn't be able to delete other messages he left, this for example - https://t.me/lucem_chat/3635

Tigerheart3026 submitted this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCUwMknS2Ss
@TigerDD   Tigerheart3026   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1140504

I think his channel have fake activity, due numbers: 5k subs, 150 views, 0 likes, 0 comments, real community doesn't looks like this.
And he have bad English, yes, I haven't good English myself, but I can hear and understand how good English should sound.

Anyway, I am bounty manager and I am the one who deciding to reject or reward video, team respects my decisions and checking my work. I'm not shady and never was, as a person I can do mistakes, but this is not the case. Team rejected his video.


What he did after that - he started to blackmail me and team in telegram chat, using authorities that don't even seem to know that he intimidates other managers by them (he used Wapinter, Lauda, yahoo, arteezy). He already cleared some of his messages I guess

https://t.me/lucem_chat/3635

He also created fake article using my identity - https://telegra.ph/Do-not-buy-ISKRA-COIN---Some-reason-08-08


UPD. From team member pm - https://t.me/lucem_chat/3640

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August 08, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
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Bubbalex sent me a PM asking for my 2 Satoshis on this matter.

First, there's this:
6. In case we remove you from the campaign for any reason, we reserve the right to delete your Tokens.
7. We may not accept you in the campaign for any reasons. We reserve the right to change campaign rules at any time.
And that's really all there is to it.

He also created fake article using my identity - https://telegra.ph/Do-not-buy-ISKRA-COIN---Some-reason-08-08
It looks like it has been deleted.

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I think his "power" is bluff, Full Member is in no way a high rank, and authorities are only a problem if you're breaking any laws.



I've managed some bounty campaigns, and the only way to not get any complaints, is to accept all the crap and plagiarism they throw at you. If you reject the worthless entries (and I would have rejected this youtube video based on the fact that it's only a recording of a scrolling website), people who don't put any effort in their "work" complain.
I've seen very good Youtube video submissions, but that's only about 1% of the total.



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August 08, 2019, 10:51:58 AM
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Bubbalex sent me a PM asking for my 2 Satoshis on this matter.

First, there's this:
6. In case we remove you from the campaign for any reason, we reserve the right to delete your Tokens.
7. We may not accept you in the campaign for any reasons. We reserve the right to change campaign rules at any time.
And that's really all there is to it.

He also created fake article using my identity - https://telegra.ph/Do-not-buy-ISKRA-COIN---Some-reason-08-08
It looks like it has been deleted.

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he using his power, high rank and authorities
I think his "power" is bluff, Full Member is in no way a high rank, and authorities are only a problem if you're breaking any laws.



I've managed some bounty campaigns, and the only way to not get any complaints, is to accept all the crap and plagiarism they throw at you. If you reject the worthless entries (and I would have rejected this youtube video based on the fact that it's only a recording of a scrolling website), people who don't put any effort in their "work" complain.
I've seen very good Youtube video submissions, but that's only about 1% of the total.



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Please fix your font before hurting my eyes Sad
Thanks. Anyway this thread exist at least to explain my neg tag to him.

This is not my font, hurting my eyes too)

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August 08, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
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I don't think you have anything to worry about, as you are the Bounty manager and you have rights to reject any work you think is not worth the Bounty payments. Rules on your bounty thread indicates the same and every participant should take it into consideration before joining.

This user can not harm you or your management anyway, just looks like a bounty spammer to me. You should just generate a thick skin against such spammers.

Tigerheart3026 submitted this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCUwMknS2Ss
The video is even deleted as per I see.
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January 13, 2021, 06:07:16 PM
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I bump this thread, because Tigerheart3026 contacted me in Telegram recently (obviously because I'm DT member at this moment and my negative feedback don't let him to join bounties), but still I think he may deserve a second chance.

After long conversation (we talked about a hour) he showed himself as a person who can apologize and be calm and respectful. I don't want to use DT power to punish people for no reason, I still think that his behavior was amoral and he deserved his negative trust, but almost 2 years passed I want to believe that he may change.

In case he just insulted me I wouldn't tag him at all or sent neutral feedback, but he tried to impersonate me and accuse in scam, blackmailed and insulted. I still think that there is no understandable reason to behave like that in case when your low quality video was just rejected from bounty, but he did what he did. He never contacted me before to apologize (as you can see original thread created on August 08, 2019, 10:24:22 AM).

I changed my feedback to the neutral, although I think that such behavior should be punished, but I don't want to be the punisher. In case he will do something similar again I will tag him negative, but as for now I give him a chance and change feedback to the neutral one.

I also reviewed a lot of other feedbacks I sent over years and changed most of them to the neutral.

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OP, I don't know how you ended up on DT (other than it's a rotating system now), but if you think this guy is still the shady person who tried to blackmail and impersonate you, don't hesitate to leave him a negative.  That's what the power of being on DT is all about.

However, if you think he's being sincere then let the neutral stand--but in my cynical head, he might be trying to make peace with you precisely because you're on DT now, and any neg left for him has a much greater impact.

I also reviewed a lot of other feedbacks I sent over years and changed most of them to the neutral.
Good, I'm glad you're being responsible--but again, if someone deserves a negative, leave them a negative.

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January 13, 2021, 09:29:45 PM
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They paid good money for that account and are frustrated it hasn't been paying off.

The original account owner was Filipino:

Salamat po sa information, kahit papaano na kapulot po ko ng mga idea na pwede ko po magamit, baguhan palang po kase ako at nasa matindi pag aaral kung paano ko po palalaguin at irarank up ang aking account...salamat po!!😉😉

Then at some point in 2018, probably April or May, it becomes owned by a Bengali:

Our service of Bounty Management is going 50% Less for Boishakh

I'm leaning towards thinking the same person owns it now as they are still using the same Telegram account.

Like The Pharmacist I don't see a problem with leaving this guy a red tag because of what he did to you, but its up to you of course.





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January 14, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
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Well to voice the other side of this.

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 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.

One big proponent of the changes in feedback and the DT system in general was forgiveness. The "punishment" really should have been picked up by DT, but looking at he OP, I can't see what exactly transpired. It was almost 1.5 years ago, and based on this
After long conversation (we talked about a hour) he showed himself as a person who can apologize and be calm and respectful. I don't want to use DT power to punish people for no reason, I still think that his behavior was amoral and he deserved his negative trust, but almost 2 years passed I want to believe that he may change.

I agree with your current thoughts. I would move to neutral but leave all references in place pointing to this thread. I know you said your English isn't good, but I need clarification on the "believe that he may change"

Do you think they have changed based on the conversation? I'm leading to yes as you said you changed your feedback already. If you don't think they have changed I would have left my feedback.

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January 14, 2021, 03:32:31 PM
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OP, I don't know how you ended up on DT (other than it's a rotating system now), but if you think this guy is still the shady person who tried to blackmail and impersonate you, don't hesitate to leave him a negative.  That's what the power of being on DT is all about.

 if someone deserves a negative, leave them a negative.
Agree.

Well to voice the other side of this.

One big proponent of the changes in feedback and the DT system in general was forgiveness. The "punishment" really should have been picked up by DT, but looking at he OP, I can't see what exactly transpired. It was almost 1.5 years ago, and based on this
After long conversation (we talked about a hour) he showed himself as a person who can apologize and be calm and respectful. I don't want to use DT power to punish people for no reason, I still think that his behavior was amoral and he deserved his negative trust, but almost 2 years passed I want to believe that he may change.

I agree with your current thoughts. I would move to neutral but leave all references in place pointing to this thread. I know you said your English isn't good, but I need clarification on the "believe that he may change"

Do you think they have changed based on the conversation? I'm leading to yes as you said you changed your feedback already. If you don't think they have changed I would have left my feedback.
1. I hope my English is much better now, than 1,5 years ago)
2. When I was saying that I hope he changed - that means that I want to believe that people may change, but the fact that he pmed me only when I became DT after year and a half makes me doubt. Especially since he never came here with public apology and explanations.
3. What happened?
I rejected his video from bounty, he started to insult me, blackmail, accuse in scam, pmed the project team and created fake article using my personality saying that the project is scam.

Seems like he was really a complete moron, but at the recent conversation he behaved different, maybe, as nutildah said, someone bought this account and trying to clean it from negative. His original Telegram is @TigerDD, our last conversation happened with @Tigerheart, but this is most likely because I banned his first Telegram years ago, not because he is other person, but who knows.

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 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
100%

I'm not sure what to do with him, because the original behavior really deserves negative feedback, but a year and a half later, I don't give a damn about his insults, much less his threats. After considering all the fact, I think that I will leave him neutral trust, as a manager I am checking all the trust feedbacks of my participants, so I hope that other managers are doing the same.

New Feedback: Original feedback given on 2019-08-08, changed after apology on 2021-14-01. I rejected his video from bounty, he started to insult me, blackmail, accuse in scam, pmed the project team and created fake article using my personality saying that the project is scam. Keep in mind that he might be a problem participant, but he unlikely to have any power to really bother you. Check reference thread.

Thank you all for comments and opinions.

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