Why do we need anonymity?

[fuckcrypto]

Anonymity sucks, anonymity gives everyone to much ropes to hang someone with it or to hang yourself on it.

I think the solution to a better world is if everything(yes everything, every fart) is on the blocckchain.

Currently, most peoples that live in big cities dont even know their neighbor so you dont even know who is living next to you.

How can this be good, anonymity allows for to much sick shit to happen.

I get the point that in ccountries like north korea or china it is better tos tay anoynmous cause the governemnt knows to much about 1, well how is this different in Europe or the USA?

We are beeing watched and surveilled since day 1 and it wont get better anyways.

Because of anonymity governements have to much controll over us becaue they can set us up with fake news etc.

And we have all learned by know that banning doesnt make things any better, look at the war on Drugs, prohibition and even to think you an outlaw guns is more than ridiculous.

So since everything is known about us by big companys that use the information to play us and take us for a ride everday with fake news articles etc, wh not fight for having all of our data public.

On 1 hand we all humans, some are prettier some are more ugly but we all humans we all shit, piss and act like assholes or bitches, everyone of us.

If you dont do anything weird or crazy that you dont want people to know about you dont fuckign do it.
And if you a sick motherfucker we all have the right to know so we can avoid you and you can get the help you need to straighten your ass out.

All that hiding and havign secrets and stuff is only beacuse of the elite- we cant trust the elite and the biggest beneficary of anonymity is not the small guy- its government, cause usually the governemtn develops the best tools for anonymity etc so if they are in posession of these techniques of course tehy use it against us.

I do beleive that if everythign si run decentralized and open for everyone to see, we can know exactly about our governement and we know exactly were things go wrong insteed know we have to trust fake news and lieing presidents taht they tell us the truth- which they most likely dont do anyways but if everything is open and transparent not even the presidents can lie anymore.

I have the feelng that controlled opposition is pshing for more anonymity etc. and i think its wrong-

Right now there are millions of images of how people kill dogs on the internet- and none forces you to watch it, howver you cant stop it either so the best thing is ignore it.

The problem is, with more anonymity the more people will torture dogs or kids or things like that and will have a better chance to spread this (to my moral standard: sicck shit), but if we know everythign about everyone i think people wont fuck on kids or torture animals that much anymore.

The more we people become transparent the less chance for the governemtn to controll us- transparency will end governements, olicitcs and religion

[avikz]

Anonymity is not a solution for sure, rather we need transparency!! A see a lot of bitcoin maximalists people raising their voice for anonymity to sideline the banking and governance route! But that very idea will land bitcoin in big trouble. A majority of the nations are already skeptical about cryptocurrencies in general only because of its anonymous nature! More push for anonymity will harm cryptos beyond measures!

Rather, it's always better to held our heads high with pride to show we have nothing illegal. That change in outlook is needed for us to survive and thrive amidst all surveillance and regulatory concerns.

Respect and acceptance is what we need because these can gradually make the situation better for us. Revolution can stay in our hearts.

[fuckcrypto]

only when things are transparent we can change them

you cant work on a car if you dont know shit about a car

how can you help someone if you ask him how are you and he tells you good while in reality he feels like shit

only when we know everything bout the governemnt we can succesfully change it.

it will gradually happen, through the power of AI governemnts will lose more and more on influence, like banks insurance etc will all run on smart contracts, so again transaprency is the only solution to cahnge the systema nd free us from this bullshit politics religion media and finance system that is enslaving humanity since hundreds of years now

[kaya11]

Let me tell you a story about our neighbor, she was working on a beauty salon with a salary enough to feed her family. She had another source of income, selling viands to her customers (home made). She go to the wet market every 3 am to collect the ingredients and one morning there were two guys who robbed her, she was nearly killed but it was a miracle for her to be alive. The robbers stabbed her and stoned her enough for her one eye to gouge. She was dragged to the seashore, but the culprits did not knew that she as still alive at that time, Did you know what was the amount of money that was robbed that nearly cost her life? 30 dollars and an old phone that she was using. Imagine if someone knew you had some kind of money that robbers may take interest on them, what would they do to leave no evidence? Kill you of course, and that is the reality. So in some ways we need anonymity, and at some point we need it in a good way.

[fuckcrypto]

Let me tell you a story about our neighbor, she was working on a beauty salon with a salary enough to feed her family. She had another source of income, selling viands to her customers (home made). She go to the wet market every 3 am to collect the ingredients and one morning there were two guys who robbed her, she was nearly killed but it was a miracle for her to be alive. The robbers stabbed her and stoned her enough for her one eye to gouge. She was dragged to the seashore, but the culprits did not knew that she as still alive at that time, Did you know what was the amount of money that was robbed that nearly cost her life? 30 dollars and an old phone that she was using. Imagine if someone knew you had some kind of money that robbers may take interest on them, what would they do to leave no evidence? Kill you of course, and that is the reality. So in some ways we need anonymity, and at some point we need it in a good way.

i get the point but you need to look ahead.

If everything is known about eah other we know exactly the people that dont have money and can stay away from them.
Its not like they only know how much money we have, we would kinda know theri attentions and can so avoid them.

Right now every Bum can dress up and look like money and get in circles where people are with money infiltrate them, spy on them and rob them....

[kryptqnick]

I think a certain balance is needed. There is sensitive information that should not be public, like medical records, details of private life, information about children. And there's also information that should be public, like sources and amounts of income of governmental officials, job offers and other things. A person is safer if the society does not have direct access to the info about this person's wealth. Basically, I am talking about the point made by kaya11. I, for one, do not mind sharing my ID in the supermarket if I buy alcohol, or entering some data online if I buy a train ticket. But giving my passport to a random person or, even more, having it available online for anyone who wants to see it? If this sort of information becomes public, it can be very harmful.

[dothebeats]

only when things are transparent we can change them

you cant work on a car if you dont know shit about a car

how can you help someone if you ask him how are you and he tells you good while in reality he feels like shit

only when we know everything bout the governemnt we can succesfully change it.

No. You don't have to know everything about a certain person because you can help them. Their business, their lives, not my problem. Whatever they do, it's their doing, and the repercussions are theirs so why the hell would I need to care? Also, material things work differently in a societal setup. Of course it's common sense to know the root problem of some malfunctioned machinery and fix it. But for people? It doesn't work that way.

agree the nature of crypto or bitcoin was always his transparency for transactiosn and the transparency of the blockchain

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and i know it was necessary in the beginning to use bitcoin for illegal activities in order to establish a currency but this is not the ture purpose of crypto imo.

Not necessary since crypto can pretty much establish itself as a working currency within the surface net if merchants were brave enough to accept it back then. It's just that illicit goods traders saw the opportunity laid out in front of them first before the whole world realized that such a thing can be used for exchange and trade.

Crypto is here to give us transparency, this is were the power of bitcoin and crypto comes from

we ant have a working soceity if we dont know anything abotu the other

Crypto offers transparency only up to a certain extent. If crypto offers full transparency, that would cause mayhem since almost everyone would pretty much be targeting the higher-ups in the rich list and boom, you have caused great trouble by creating crypto.

If everything is known about eah other we know exactly the people that dont have money and can stay away from them.
Its not like they only know how much money we have, we would kinda know theri attentions and can so avoid them.

Right now every Bum can dress up and look like money and get in circles where people are with money infiltrate them, spy on them and rob them....

This highly contradicts the post I have quoted from you. You see, anonymity sometimes helps a ton in our societal setup. Again, you don't need to know everything about anybody because it's their life. You can help, yes, but there are some details that should be left alone for their privacy and it's respect as well.

[joniboini]

The more we people become transparent the less chance for the governemtn to controll us- transparency will end governements, olicitcs and religion

I think you need to draw the line and make sure you don't the wrong words or mixed it all together. No way in hell if you're being transparent with your live 100% government won't control you. Just take a look at Facebook users. What kind of transparency that they have? It's really transparent to the point that they're doing surveillance over their users.

Anonymity is required at some point, such as if you want to become a whistleblower but still want to protect yourself and your family. You might say that is not required if all company are transparent, but when will that happen?

The problem with people torturing dog is not entirely because they're anonymous. If that's true then all of the people on the internet could literally do that. There's no need to remove privacy and anonymity, you just need better education and some conscience.

[bitmover]

I don't think we need anonymity.
But we shouldn't be forced to identify ourselves in transactions where our identity is irrelevant.

And now, for almost everything in our life's we are requested documents. Do you want to buy a shirt? Your Id please.

This makes no sense, as my id is irrelevant when I am buying a shirt.

It is not that I want to anonymously buy a shirt, but that I want to protect my privacy while doing it, because my identification is irrelevant in this kind of transaction

[atliens99]

I doubt bitcoin will ever get anonymity features, it takes too much agreement for it to happen and exchanges would probably be forced to take it off due to the government.

[oleg681010]

Anonymity is necessary because I do not want anyone to know what I spend my money, the money I earned and spend on what I want

[TimeBits]

anonymity is great, do you want your mom to know you bought a big black dildo from the love shop?
do you want others to know what party you voted for?
do you want others to know how much money you have in your bank account?
do you want others to know your porn history?

What we need is transparent anonymity, I know it sounds weird. It is like knowing that person is a person, but not knowing who that person is.

I call it blockPOP proof of person or population.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141142.msg50975967#msg50975967

It is like we all know what wallet satoshi`s wallets are, but we don`t know who satoshi is. I guess we would if he did not mix his address before buying from a vendor. There is works around to this to, once the first address is verified that obtains the bitcoin or bitcointime, it does not matter what addresses are that spend it.

[Slow death]

Anything has advantages and disadvantages and depends on who uses it.

anonymity can be good for nobody to know about our money and if nobody knows about your money you can be safe (because you protect yourself against thieves)

But there are also people who commit crimes and become anonymous

The problem is not anonymity, the problem is people who use anonymity to commit crimes

[deisik]

I think the solution to a better world is if everything(yes everything, every fart) is on the blocckchain

The world would be a terrible place then

What you basically suggest comes down to everyone telling the world everything they know, i.e. a society in which there are no secrets. I don't think that such a society is possible in the first place but even if we assumed that it were, it would quickly disintegrate and atomize because it will be impossible to make a simple social contact between two persons. People would know what other people are actually thinking about them by openly declaring their thoughts and attitudes, and that would wreak havoc in social relationships. In other words, some things are better left unsaid, and this is where anonymity, or rather the need for it, kicks in

[raidarksword]

I don't think being transparent can change the world we lived in because people are people they can different qualities, traits, habits and qualification in life and always contradicts all the time. So, it's best and practical being anonymous at all times just like bitcoin and creator of it that stayed hidden up to this time.

[YuginKadoya]

I think it will surely depend on who is needing transparency and not Because it will surely have a bigger perspective in that outlook, Many in the community or gamblers would want to play without the fear of being discriminated by their friends and some would surely want to be safe if they can get a big money, And in the Bitcoin community if we would look it on that perspective we can sure say that many in the community would want the safety of their Identity and family or relative, Just like what Satoshi did he would surely sacrifice the fame for the security of his family and relatives, Well, even though there are certain disadvantage of being anonymous, There are still a huge sum for its Advantages in my opinion.

[timerland]

Anonymity obviously has good and bad things behind it, the good being able to protect your privacy and keep the things you want to be hidden, hidden, and the bad side is obviously the regulations and illegal things you can accomplish while being unknown.

Your argument is invalid though. Your saying due to some people who abuse the system, the entire system should be changed and stronger rules need to put in place.

The issue isn't anonymity, it's the companies and people that abuse the system and use it to accomplish bad, illegal things. Governments need to focus on shutting those people down, instead of changing the entire system.

[serjent05]

Let me tell you a story about our neighbor, she was working on a beauty salon with a salary enough to feed her family. She had another source of income, selling viands to her customers (home made). She go to the wet market every 3 am to collect the ingredients and one morning there were two guys who robbed her, she was nearly killed but it was a miracle for her to be alive. The robbers stabbed her and stoned her enough for her one eye to gouge. She was dragged to the seashore, but the culprits did not knew that she as still alive at that time, Did you know what was the amount of money that was robbed that nearly cost her life? 30 dollars and an old phone that she was using. Imagine if someone knew you had some kind of money that robbers may take interest on them, what would they do to leave no evidence? Kill you of course, and that is the reality. So in some ways we need anonymity, and at some point we need it in a good way.

On the other hand if these guys were known or exposed they won't be doing such stuff.  Being anonymous makes this guys do what they wanted.  Since, if they commited a crime and no one knows the identity of the perpetrators then they will just do it again and again just like what the government official do.  Due to the non-transparent transactions, they can steal how much they wanted to take.  If it is transparent then this corrupt official won't even dare to steal a single cents from the government funds that suppose to go to the development of the country.

[thesmallgod]

the word 'anonymity' could not have existed if not because people are tired of rates at which government want to know everything about people. How will you feel if someone even know you more than you know yourself . People are really opting for anonymity because they think there is a need for them to be protected. my major concern is are we truly anonymous? many projects preach anonymity yet they want us to provide our identity for kyc. If truly an 100% anonymity exists, the world could have become a better place.

[vintages]

You made good points OP, truly anonymity is not the key, as it rubs that 'togetherness' in socialising with people.
But that has to do with socialisation and relating with people, when it comes to funds, anonymity plays a vital role.
With the way the Internet is becoming more hostile and misusing information, it best one remains anonymous.