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Seems like an inside job. Everything about this reeks of foul play. They said he tried committing suicide and yet he was taken of the watch. What a very convenient coincidence that just as they've moved him, their cams malfunctioned.
If this is indeed a hit, that's just disgusting (even though Epstein himself is). Brazen. They just don't care about public opinion anymore.
Imagine how desperate you have to be, to make a move so obvious to the people. This was a hit. Epstein was going to start singing about all of the other pedos in the world, and the cabal wanted him to dead. Now he is dead. Crazy world we live in, and I truly pray that the prosecutors investigating his case don't allow this to go away now that he's gone.
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Not dead, look at his left hand, fake to get him out of prison. If he was dead his left arm would slide down the left of the thing. He is defying gravity in death. He is on Bill Clinton`s ranch, fucking premature children atm with Osama. Rigor mortis peaks 12 hours after death. That would keep your hands in position. Interestingly it looks like Epstein's cellmate was transferred out Friday "just hours before his death." according to Fox News. No logical reason has been given for this transfer. As far as we know no one checked on Epstein after this point until he was found dead the next morning a gross violation of policy. Why was Epstein's cellmate moved and when? Who gave that order and why? Was Epstein alive at that point or already dead? So many questions. As the old saying goes Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. How many odd inexplicable things have gone down so far in this "suicide"? More than three. Smells like a murder to me. Jeffrey Epstein feared cellmate, a muscle-bound ex-cop charged in murderhttps://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-former-cellmate-apparent-suicide-attempt
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August 13, 2019, 07:29:03 AM Last edit: August 13, 2019, 09:20:54 AM by tvbcof |
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Epstein and his friends and associates (esp the people who had 'been over' to his island or who had friends which had), had a few options. All perfectly doable:
- Stand trial with assurances that it would be rigged.
- Stand for a fair trial
- Suicide
- Murder
- fake death
I would (and did) expect the choice to be the one most tolerable and safe to all concerned and that would be to fake his death.
Epstein is no fool, and even if he had but one friend in the world the 'execute' on a dead-man's switch nobody is safe if he dies. He probably had more particular nasty dirt on more people than Asange ever dreamed of so it is highly unlikely that he didn't think a little bit about how to save his own neck if/when the shit hit the fan.
People are totally conditioned to never entertain the thought that something like this could happen. Of course it could, and it is relatively trivial and safe. Happens all the time with this class of people. Even people who are not completely brainwashed sheep don't seem to even think to wonder if the guy is dead once it is reported as so on tee-vee. Remember, it's a fair bet that most of the heads of the various infotainment networks were frequent fliers on Epstein's Lolita Express. They have all the reason in the world to participate in such a caper.
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Feels like it's really a hit. Kinda reminded me of that scene from Prison Break where the doctor came home to find the crime scene for her "death" already prepared. These folks ain't playing.
There's the chance that they just faked his death but I am hoping (I know, it sounds cruel) that he really is dead but then it comes back later to bite his murderers. Who knows maybe a family member got evidence and will just play along with them for a while and then release it later.
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Powerful people on that list.
Federal Judge Who Oversaw Release Of Jeffrey Epstein's Sealed Records Was Found DeadMany people didn't even know that federal judge Robert Sweet, federal judge presiding over a key lawsuit relating to wealthy, Clinton-connected financier Jeffrey Epstein, was found dead in March. However, no cause of death was determined at the time. Is anyone else finding this as suspicious as Jeffrey Epstein's alleged "suicide."
Fox News reported at the time:
A U.S. District Court judge in New York who was presiding over a lawsuit involving a wealthy, Clinton-connected financier and sex offender died Sunday at the age of 96.
Robert W. Sweet died at his home in Ketchum, Idaho, while on vacation, The New York Times reported. He was appointed by President Jimmy Carter in 1978. Politico reportedthat Sweet was presiding over the lawsuit that followed what many saw as an unusual plea deal for Jeffrey Epstein.
Alexander Acosta, the current U.S. Secretary of Labor, negotiated what critics called a sweetheart, potentially corrupt plea deal with Jeffrey Epstein when he was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida. The arrangement required Epstein to pay restitution to dozens of victims, but offered a variety of unusual concessions as part of a non-prosecution agreement.
That's right, it's not just Democrats caught up in Epstein. Republicans have their hand in it too. And it should cause people to contemplate Epstein's death in federal custody under President Donald Trump. If you don't have a secure ISP, don't check the links in the article. You might wind up the same way. Of course, 96...
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Powerful people on that list.
If you don't have a secure ISP, don't check the links in the article. You might wind up the same way. Of course, 96...
How powerful do you have to be to force yourself upon children.
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But whatever happened to Ghislaine Maxwell?
Here It Is… Complete List of Clinton Associates Who Allegedly Died Mysteriously...EpsteinThis occurred the day after two thousand previously sealed court documents involving the Jeffrey Epstein child sex abuse case were released to the public.
The documents described how Bill Clinton held a private party on Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island.
Clinton made at least 27 times trips on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane. Most of those flights were with underage girls.
Despite a previous attempt on his life just three weeks ago the prison guards skipped the 30 minute required checks on Epstein's cell last night.
Early this morning they found him dead.
Jeffrey Epstein is the latest in a long list of Clinton family associates and acquaintances who died mysteriously or committed suicide before their public testimony.
In 2016 CBS Las Vegas posted a list of Bill and Hillary Clinton associates alleged to have died under mysterious circumstances.
Here is that list.
1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
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But whatever happened to Ghislaine Maxwell?
Here It Is… Complete List of Clinton Associates Who Allegedly Died Mysteriously...EpsteinThis occurred the day after two thousand previously sealed court documents involving the Jeffrey Epstein child sex abuse case were released to the public.
The documents described how Bill Clinton held a private party on Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island.
Clinton made at least 27 times trips on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane. Most of those flights were with underage girls.
Despite a previous attempt on his life just three weeks ago the prison guards skipped the 30 minute required checks on Epstein's cell last night.
Early this morning they found him dead.
Jeffrey Epstein is the latest in a long list of Clinton family associates and acquaintances who died mysteriously or committed suicide before their public testimony.
In 2016 CBS Las Vegas posted a list of Bill and Hillary Clinton associates alleged to have died under mysterious circumstances.
Here is that list.
1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Lol. How do you find these trash conspiracy sites. Not a single source on the list. My favorites are the last ones: THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD 35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr. 36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds 37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley 38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel 39 – Major General William Robertson 40 – Col. William Densberger 41 – Col. Robert Kelly 42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes 43 – Steve Willis 44 – Robert Williams 45 – Conway LeBleu 46 – Todd McKeehan
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But whatever happened to Ghislaine Maxwell?
Here It Is… Complete List of Clinton Associates Who Allegedly Died Mysteriously...EpsteinThis occurred the day after two thousand previously sealed court documents involving the Jeffrey Epstein child sex abuse case were released to the public.
The documents described how Bill Clinton held a private party on Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island.
Clinton made at least 27 times trips on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane. Most of those flights were with underage girls.
Despite a previous attempt on his life just three weeks ago the prison guards skipped the 30 minute required checks on Epstein's cell last night.
Early this morning they found him dead.
Jeffrey Epstein is the latest in a long list of Clinton family associates and acquaintances who died mysteriously or committed suicide before their public testimony.
In 2016 CBS Las Vegas posted a list of Bill and Hillary Clinton associates alleged to have died under mysterious circumstances.
Here is that list.
1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Lol. How do you find these trash conspiracy sites. Not a single source on the list. My favorites are the last ones: THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD 35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr. 36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds 37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley 38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel 39 – Major General William Robertson 40 – Col. William Densberger 41 – Col. Robert Kelly 42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes 43 – Steve Willis 44 – Robert Williams 45 – Conway LeBleu 46 – Todd McKeehan That would be too easy. You need to work for it.
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August 14, 2019, 11:22:34 AM |
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It's funny seeing people believe what they want to be true based on their own biases because nobody knows for sure what happened here, but those who are acting like this could only possibly be a 'hit' are silly. Maybe if the CCTV outside his cell mysteriously goes missing or is unavailable then I'll give you that, but the reality is here he probably just killed himself, like many do in prison, especially pedophiles. He even allegedly tried to kill himself previously so why is it such a big shock when he finally achieved it??? And for those saying he was taken off suicide watch, people don't stay on suicide watch forever. IF your mood improves or a doctor thinks so then you can be taken off it. Suicide watch isn't a perfect system either. From what I understand guards only visit you every 30 mins or so. If you wanted to kill yourself you could just do it one minute after they check on you. Not dead, look at his left hand, fake to get him out of prison. If he was dead his left arm would slide down the left of the thing. He is defying gravity in death. He is on Bill Clinton`s ranch, fucking premature children atm with Osama. Are you a coroner? I guess James Brown is still alive also Feels like it's really a hit. Kinda reminded me of that scene from Prison Break where the doctor came home to find the crime scene for her "death" already prepared. These folks ain't playing.
This isn't a TV show. It's real life. I don't believe he's dead, probably chilling on some tropical island.
The same island with Biggie, 2pac and MJ? It would be much easier to kill someone rather than spirit them away to some island. What happens if someone sees them? Someone would have a lot of explaining to do and the whole conspiracy would come crashing down. He's an inmate his hands are handcuffed.
They take the cuffs off when your in your cell brother. He's not in his cell. Cuffs are put on when prisoners go to the hospital because many use it as an attempt to breakout.
Interestingly it looks like Epstein's cellmate was transferred out Friday "just hours before his death." according to Fox News. No logical reason has been given for this transfer. As far as we know no one checked on Epstein after this point until he was found dead the next morning a gross violation of policy.
You see, this is one example of how people believe what they want to believe. To me this is more like proof that only he killed himself if there's no other CCTV to say otherwise. Did some government assassin walk into the prison, kill Epstein, then walk out? IF the other prisoner had been kept in the cell then people would have just been saying he carried out the hit and this is why whatever happens people will just believe whatever they want to believe.
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It's funny seeing people believe what they want to be true based on their own biases because nobody knows for sure what happened here, but those who are acting like this could only possibly be a 'hit' are silly. Maybe if the CCTV outside his cell mysteriously goes missing or is unavailable then I'll give you that, but the reality is here he probably just killed himself, like many do in prison, especially pedophiles. He even allegedly tried to kill himself previously so why is it such a big shock when he finally achieved it??? And for those saying he was taken off suicide watch, people don't stay on suicide watch forever. IF your mood improves or a doctor thinks so then you can be taken off it. Suicide watch isn't a perfect system either. From what I understand guards only visit you every 30 mins or so. If you wanted to kill yourself you could just do it one minute after they check on you. Not dead, look at his left hand, fake to get him out of prison. If he was dead his left arm would slide down the left of the thing. He is defying gravity in death. He is on Bill Clinton`s ranch, fucking premature children atm with Osama. Are you a coroner? I guess James Brown is still alive also Feels like it's really a hit. Kinda reminded me of that scene from Prison Break where the doctor came home to find the crime scene for her "death" already prepared. These folks ain't playing.
This isn't a TV show. It's real life. I don't believe he's dead, probably chilling on some tropical island.
The same island with Biggie, 2pac and MJ? It would be much easier to kill someone rather than spirit them away to some island. What happens if someone sees them? Someone would have a lot of explaining to do and the whole conspiracy would come crashing down. He's an inmate his hands are handcuffed.
They take the cuffs off when your in your cell brother. He's not in his cell. Cuffs are put on when prisoners go to the hospital because many use it as an attempt to breakout.
Interestingly it looks like Epstein's cellmate was transferred out Friday "just hours before his death." according to Fox News. No logical reason has been given for this transfer. As far as we know no one checked on Epstein after this point until he was found dead the next morning a gross violation of policy.
You see, this is one example of how people believe what they want to believe. To me this is more like proof that only he killed himself if there's no other CCTV to say otherwise. Did some government assassin walk into the prison, kill Epstein, then walk out? IF the other prisoner had been kept in the cell then people would have just been saying he carried out the hit and this is why whatever happens people will just believe whatever they want to believe. If you're not going to believe the conspiracy theory, be prepared to be treated the way conspiracy theorists used to be treated. Crazy right?
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But whatever happened to Ghislaine Maxwell?
Here It Is… Complete List of Clinton Associates Who Allegedly Died Mysteriously...EpsteinThis occurred the day after two thousand previously sealed court documents involving the Jeffrey Epstein child sex abuse case were released to the public.
The documents described how Bill Clinton held a private party on Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island.
Clinton made at least 27 times trips on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane. Most of those flights were with underage girls.
Despite a previous attempt on his life just three weeks ago the prison guards skipped the 30 minute required checks on Epstein's cell last night.
Early this morning they found him dead.
Jeffrey Epstein is the latest in a long list of Clinton family associates and acquaintances who died mysteriously or committed suicide before their public testimony.
In 2016 CBS Las Vegas posted a list of Bill and Hillary Clinton associates alleged to have died under mysterious circumstances.
Here is that list.
1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Lol. How do you find these trash conspiracy sites. Not a single source on the list. My favorites are the last ones: THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD 35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr. 36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds 37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley 38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel 39 – Major General William Robertson 40 – Col. William Densberger 41 – Col. Robert Kelly 42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes 43 – Steve Willis 44 – Robert Williams 45 – Conway LeBleu 46 – Todd McKeehan That would be too easy. You need to work for it. lol You've got an answer for everything. This website is known for its anti-vaccines propaganda, and so is OP. Many of its crap articles have been debunked numerous times by real scientific websites. A pilot study of 666 homeschooled kids yeah really makes you think. Part of the reason there are links in the OP, and within the website itself, is so that people can go look at the data without having to guess about propaganda.
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But whatever happened to Ghislaine Maxwell?
Here It Is… Complete List of Clinton Associates Who Allegedly Died Mysteriously...EpsteinThis occurred the day after two thousand previously sealed court documents involving the Jeffrey Epstein child sex abuse case were released to the public.
The documents described how Bill Clinton held a private party on Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island.
Clinton made at least 27 times trips on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane. Most of those flights were with underage girls.
Despite a previous attempt on his life just three weeks ago the prison guards skipped the 30 minute required checks on Epstein's cell last night.
Early this morning they found him dead.
Jeffrey Epstein is the latest in a long list of Clinton family associates and acquaintances who died mysteriously or committed suicide before their public testimony.
In 2016 CBS Las Vegas posted a list of Bill and Hillary Clinton associates alleged to have died under mysterious circumstances.
Here is that list.
1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Lol. How do you find these trash conspiracy sites. Not a single source on the list. My favorites are the last ones: THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD 35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr. 36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds 37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley 38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel 39 – Major General William Robertson 40 – Col. William Densberger 41 – Col. Robert Kelly 42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes 43 – Steve Willis 44 – Robert Williams 45 – Conway LeBleu 46 – Todd McKeehan That would be too easy. You need to work for it. lol You've got an answer for everything. This website is known for its anti-vaccines propaganda, and so is OP. Many of its crap articles have been debunked numerous times by real scientific websites. A pilot study of 666 homeschooled kids yeah really makes you think. Part of the reason there are links in the OP, and within the website itself, is so that people can go look at the data without having to guess about propaganda. What? Do you think that I am thousands of years old, because I have the answer for everything? I think you don't have the answer for much of anything, and when you are shown up, you stumble around with faulty answers.
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You see, this is one example of how people believe what they want to believe. To me this is more like proof that only he killed himself if there's no other CCTV to say otherwise. Did some government assassin walk into the prison, kill Epstein, then walk out? IF the other prisoner had been kept in the cell then people would have just been saying he carried out the hit and this is why whatever happens people will just believe whatever they want to believe.
Epstein Autopsy Finds Evidence He May Have Been Murderedhttps://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-15/epstein-autopsy-finds-evidence-he-may-have-been-murderedAn autopsy report found that Epstein had endured multiple breaks in his neck bones including the hyoid bone which is commonly associated with homicidal strangulation and only rarely suicidal hanging. The few times when then hyoid bone is broken during suicide it happens when someone falls from a long distance like stepping from a high chair and then caused by the sharp snap as the body is abruptly halted by the rope. Even then the hyoid bone only rarely breaks from suicide. The news reports say that Epstein "hanged" himself by stringing sheets from the top bunk to the bottom then leaned into them cutting off his circulation. Still no CCTV footage by the way.
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Suspicious indeed... Probably all the others who went to party to the island no doubt... Did he happen to own any bitcoins?
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Whatever this man was going to reveal was going to be a bigger shock than doing something so obvious to get rid of his voice.
Camera stopped working
Taken off suicide watch or not successfully implementing suicide watch after Epstein nearly died a few days prior due to either a suicidal attempt or an assault.
Multiple broken bones in neck that are more consistent with strangulation.
Paper-sheets don't break bones, even if braided like a boy scout.
Removing cellmate shortly before death
Shrieking (presumably Epstein) and "Breathe Epstein, Breathe!" (presumably his killer) being reportedly heard by inmates.
Only two guards were on duty, both happened to be sleeping during the incident, hadn't performed the scheduled checks on Epstein surrounding the incident and one of the "guards" wasn't even a regular guard.
At what point is Ockham's razor supposed to back up the idea that he was taken out?
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Whatever this man was going to reveal was going to be a bigger shock than doing something so obvious to get rid of his voice.
Camera stopped working
Taken off suicide watch or not successfully implementing suicide watch after Epstein nearly died a few days prior due to either a suicidal attempt or an assault.
Multiple broken bones in neck that are more consistent with strangulation.
Paper-sheets don't break bones, even if braided like a boy scout.
Removing cellmate shortly before death
Shrieking (presumably Epstein) and "Breathe Epstein, Breathe!" (presumably his killer) being reportedly heard by inmates.
Only two guards were on duty, both happened to be sleeping during the incident, hadn't performed the scheduled checks on Epstein surrounding the incident and one of the "guards" wasn't even a regular guard.
At what point is Ockham's razor supposed to back up the idea that he was taken out?
When this kind of information is 'leaked' and plastered all over the mainstream news or controlled opposition 'alt' news, someone wants the peeps to follow Ockham's razor to a specific conclusion. It will be a 'safe' conclusion but almost certainly not the 'right' conclusion insofar as it models reality. We see the game board being layed out. The 'crazy conspiracy theorist' side believes Epstein was murdered (because 'Ockham's razor'). The 'normies' side believes the 'other side' are crazy because they believe something other than what the government says happened. It would be fun to be a no-ethics-having psychopath designing these 'fights' because the peeps are so stupid these days. Could get them to believe anything and get them to do almost anything. It really reminds me of pro-wrestling.
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The Maxwells of Epstein fame.
Misery of the Maxwells: Bankruptcy, sudden death, huge fortunes made and lost - the shattering legacy of all the children in thrall to their monstrous father Robert MaxwellRobert Maxwell was a ruthless bully who rose from impoverished beginnings in Czechoslovakia to become a multi-millionaire publisher living a life of luxury — funded by £460 million stolen from the Mirror Group pension pot.
His youngest daughter — and 'favourite' child — Ghislaine is now in hiding in the wake of the death of her ex-lover and mentor, the paedophile and alleged sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.
But what of the other Maxwell siblings? From a brilliant scientist who fled to Argentina, to a former actress branded 'ugly' by her bullying father, they have all had their fair share of ups and perhaps inevitable downs.
Christine and her twin sister Isabel made The Sunday Times Rich List in 1999 after amassing their £100 million in the dotcom boom. But Isabel would later fall on hard times, and was declared bankrupt in 2015.
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Whatever this man was going to reveal was going to be a bigger shock than doing something so obvious to get rid of his voice.
Camera stopped working
Taken off suicide watch or not successfully implementing suicide watch after Epstein nearly died a few days prior due to either a suicidal attempt or an assault.
Multiple broken bones in neck that are more consistent with strangulation.
Paper-sheets don't break bones, even if braided like a boy scout.
Removing cellmate shortly before death
Shrieking (presumably Epstein) and "Breathe Epstein, Breathe!" (presumably his killer) being reportedly heard by inmates.
Only two guards were on duty, both happened to be sleeping during the incident, hadn't performed the scheduled checks on Epstein surrounding the incident and one of the "guards" wasn't even a regular guard.
At what point is Ockham's razor supposed to back up the idea that he was taken out?
When this kind of information is 'leaked' and plastered all over the mainstream news or controlled opposition 'alt' news, someone wants the peeps to follow Ockham's razor to a specific conclusion. It will be a 'safe' conclusion but almost certainly not the 'right' conclusion insofar as it models reality. We see the game board being layed out. The 'crazy conspiracy theorist' side believes Epstein was murdered (because 'Ockham's razor'). The 'normies' side believes the 'other side' are crazy because they believe something other than what the government says happened. It would be fun to be a no-ethics-having psychopath designing these 'fights' because the peeps are so stupid these days. Could get them to believe anything and get them to do almost anything. It really reminds me of pro-wrestling. AKA Hegelian Dialectic, thesis + antithesis = synthesis, or problem + reaction = solution. Everyone eats the shit sandwich, its just a matter of what flavor you want, red or blue. If you don't like those they have a flavor binary for all of us.
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