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Question: 2024/2025 La Liga Champion will be
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June 13, 2024, 09:57:06 PM
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Gavi is a good player for Barcelona and his return from injury is what I have been waiting for. I know he's not better than other players in his position sometimes, but he's got a strong mentality and a unique style of play. This identity is what makes me happy to see him always playing, but the long injury he suffered last season will probably make him lose his best form.

Hansi Flick must see Gavi as a good player to have in Barcelona's main line-up next season. Romeo, Ilkay Gundogan and Roberto certainly have more experience than Gavi, but in terms of energy I think Gavi is still quite good compared to them. Gavi can sometimes be decisive, it has developed well under Xavi for several seasons.
This season has not been very good for Gavi because he had to give up hopes of being in the Olympics and Euros of course because of the healing he had to do and if you look at the beginning of his ACL at least it is possible a few weeks after the season rolls around he will be fully declared healed even though he will definitely have to re-adapt because it's been a long time since he grazed and played soccer.

It's definitely a complicated situation actually although Gavi is a very good young player but indeed after the ACL there will definitely be some changes that occur and he could lose his momentum and this is what needs to be worried about.
We've seen some players who have the same history like Chiesa or Zaniolo who ultimately didn't rediscover their form after the injury and hopefully Gavi isn't like that and can continue to play well after recovering.
 

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June 13, 2024, 11:59:14 PM
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The first good news for Flick is about the injured superstar player of Barcelona Gavi.
Gavi was having good days in Barcelona and he had good performances in the games for this team and considering his age, he couldn't have a shining future in Barcelona. But sadly he got injured hardly while he was playing for Spain during the last November, Just after that there was much news about his situation and he had to stay out for 8 to 10 months to get back in the good form again.
Good news?  Grin
Gavi will recover soon. He is expected to return in June, 30.
I think there is no something worrying about him because it looks fine. He also has a long contract (until 2026) with Barcelona. So Flick mustn't be afraid about him because he will stay in Barcelona for the next season.

There are also other injured players who must get attention, they are Lewandowski and Frenkie de Jong. Lewandowski will return from the injury in June, 20. Meanwhile Frenkie de Jong got a worse injury, his return isn't unknown. It is bad for Barcelona if they will have an important match in the near future because Frenkie de Jong has a big role in the midfield line of Barcelona.



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June 14, 2024, 04:21:49 AM
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https://www.football-espana.net/2024/06/13/barcelona-president-discloses-midfielder-request-to-leave

Do you know if Laporta has spoken about Barcelona's plans for the summer transfer season? Laporta has even revealed a request from Barcelona midfielder Oriol Romeu to leave the squad. On The 'Barca Reservat, Laporta stated that Barcelona will be overhauling its roster under hansi flick.
It will be completed during the summer transfer season. Oriol Romeu has submitted a personal request to the Laporta to sell him. AFAIK, Oriol Romeu has not been involved in new project of hansi flick and barcelona.

The club's primary focus from hansi flick will be on developing young skilled players. I was thinking it would be more beneficial for oriol romeu to stay in Girona rather than rejoin in Barcelona.
It's really interesting to see what plan Barcelona has in place to solve its financial problems and restructure the club. Meanwhile, La Liga has not yet lifted the embargo on Barcelona signing new players.



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June 14, 2024, 04:57:30 AM
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Although Real Madrid has now added mbappe to their squad, who will make them stronger, if Barcelona doesn’t add more effort to get more talented players that will face the performance of Real Madrid, I think they will definitely maintain that second position, which means winning the title might be so hard, but let's see how the transfer market will be before the season. 


What you said is the reality. What Barcelona needs to do is to focus on enriching its squad depth to be prepared for the next season which is obviously going to be a tough one as upcoming clubs are warming up to take the space, clubs like Girona and Leverkusen did well in their own table leagues while other elite clubs are already gingered to work harder next season hence the change in managers currently happening across the clubs and the reformation some of those clubs making right now. So Barcelona must join the train to and make some tactical decisions concerning their squad depth to make them more fierce.
These circles are bound to come which is the good times and then the bad times and currently Barcelona are facing the bad times now what I feel they need is actually another Lionel Messi and maybe pep which is going to take long in finding.
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That Barcelona team really needs some serious hardwork and for now they are no way going to be in the standards of real Madrid because Real Madrid gotten everything covered from talents to skills and all are of the right age @ young and vibrant. Barcelona needs serious back up and players in that squad before they can seem to get things working because if they start the new season like this they are no way going to make it to the battle the league with Real Madrid.
My view of Barcelona is also the same because when compared to what Real Madrid has achieved, of course it is still very doubtful that Barcelona will be able to match its performance with Real Madrid next season. Because Barcelona, ​​apart from still needing talented young players, also still needs experienced players in their own squad so that the talents of the existing young players can be more easily channeled on the field or in important matches in the League.

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June 14, 2024, 07:07:59 AM
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That Barcelona team really needs some serious hardwork and for now they are no way going to be in the standards of real Madrid because Real Madrid gotten everything covered from talents to skills and all are of the right age @ young and vibrant. Barcelona needs serious back up and players in that squad before they can seem to get things working because if they start the new season like this they are no way going to make it to the battle the league with Real Madrid.
My view of Barcelona is also the same because when compared to what Real Madrid has achieved, of course it is still very doubtful that Barcelona will be able to match its performance with Real Madrid next season. Because Barcelona, ​​apart from still needing talented young players, also still needs experienced players in their own squad so that the talents of the existing young players can be more easily channeled on the field or in important matches in the League.
Now we can't equate Barcelona with Real Madrid anymore, the two teams are already very different.
Barcelona is in a downturn with all the problems they currently have so they need time to get back up to the same level as Real Madrid.
So Real Madrid is very consistent and can even be stronger next season after what they achieved this season and also brought in several other quality players so we can see that realistically next season Barcelona will not be able to compete fiercely with Real Madrid in the race for the title.

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That Barcelona team really needs some serious hardwork and for now they are no way going to be in the standards of real Madrid because Real Madrid gotten everything covered from talents to skills and all are of the right age @ young and vibrant. Barcelona needs serious back up and players in that squad before they can seem to get things working because if they start the new season like this they are no way going to make it to the battle the league with Real Madrid.
My view of Barcelona is also the same because when compared to what Real Madrid has achieved, of course it is still very doubtful that Barcelona will be able to match its performance with Real Madrid next season. Because Barcelona, ​​apart from still needing talented young players, also still needs experienced players in their own squad so that the talents of the existing young players can be more easily channeled on the field or in important matches in the League.
Indeed, they must have more motivation to be able to play as well as possible, because if we compare it with their current rivals, they are behind Real Madrid, and I can personally say that they probably won't be able to compete with Real Madrid next season. But I also won't rule out the possibility that they could provide a surprise with the squad they currently have under new coaching. But I didn't expect much from it.

Their situation is far from good, starting with the financial problems they face, making them ultimately unable to provide something that we usually see from them in the past. The players must have the enthusiasm to be able to give their best to the team, and this must also be accompanied by a good strategy that can be implemented by the coach. If they don't have that spirit, then maybe they will be worse off than they should be. I hope they can get out of this problem as soon as possible.

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June 14, 2024, 08:22:33 AM
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Indeed, they must have more motivation to be able to play as well as possible, because if we compare it with their current rivals, they are behind Real Madrid, and I can personally say that they probably won't be able to compete with Real Madrid next season. But I also won't rule out the possibility that they could provide a surprise with the squad they currently have under new coaching. But I didn't expect much from it.

Their situation is far from good, starting with the financial problems they face, making them ultimately unable to provide something that we usually see from them in the past. The players must have the enthusiasm to be able to give their best to the team, and this must also be accompanied by a good strategy that can be implemented by the coach. If they don't have that spirit, then maybe they will be worse off than they should be. I hope they can get out of this problem as soon as possible.
There isn't much that can be expected from Barcelona for next season, they and their new coach definitely need a process to build this team especially with all its limitations, but even though their rivals are quite strong now, the Barcelona team still cannot be underestimated, they still is the top La Liga team and in fact I think Barcelona is the only team that is likely to put pressure on Real Madrid in the race for the La Liga title, so I hope they can do that so that the La Liga competition remains competitive.

Barcelona has several potential young players, that is the hope for the future and if it can continue to be developed and even if the coach is able to create a combination of young and senior players that can work well, it is not impossible that Barcelona will be able to recover more quickly can return to top performance and compete fiercely again with Real Madrid.

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June 14, 2024, 08:57:01 AM
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It seems like Girona has already made their first signing of the summer, Ladislav Krejci. Fabrizio Romano has tweeted about the details of the signing.

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1801357419815084092

It is a 12 million euros package. Krejci is mainly a centre-back but he has been like a goal machine.  Cheesy  11 goals and 7 assists in total in the past season and 13 goals in the prior season. He is able to play as a defensive midfielder at the same time. I think he is a wonderful transfer for Girona in short. It looks like they have no intention to have a weaker squad next time.  Smiley 

The next target is Luciano Rodríguez from Liverpool Montevideo. He seems like a talented attacker who can play as a winger and centre-forward both.

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June 14, 2024, 09:10:08 AM
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Hansi Flick must see Gavi as a good player to have in Barcelona's main line-up next season. Romeo, Ilkay Gundogan and Roberto certainly have more experience than Gavi, but in terms of energy I think Gavi is still quite good compared to them. Gavi can sometimes be decisive, it has developed well under Xavi for several seasons.

I agree with you. Gavi is one of the best young players in the world. He was a wonderkid from Spain several years ago. It was very unfortunate when Gavi suffered a long injury which made him miss several important matches. With Gavi's return, I am sure Barcelona will find their best performance again. I can say Gavi will be one of Barcelona's important players next season. I see Gavi has a playing style that is almost the same as Xavi. I'm sure Hansi Flick will include Gavi in ​​the starting XI next season.

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June 14, 2024, 09:31:16 AM
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The first good news for Flick is about the injured superstar player of Barcelona Gavi.
Gavi was having good days in Barcelona and he had good performances in the games for this team and considering his age, he couldn't have a shining future in Barcelona. But sadly he got injured hardly while he was playing for Spain during the last November, Just after that there was much news about his situation and he had to stay out for 8 to 10 months to get back in the good form again.
While now we have seen some pictures from Gavi training in the field which can show this player can get back to the field and play for Barcelona again.


Yes, after Gavi suffered an injury when he played for the Spanish national team against Georgia in the Euro qualifiers, he had to be absent for quite a long time. The reason is, he was diagnosed with a torn ligament. So it's natural that he has to be absent for quite a long time. Because, it takes quite a long time to fully recover from ligament injuries. This injury certainly made Gavi a little disappointed because he only played a few matches with Barcelona and because of the injury he suffered, he failed to appear with Spain at the Euro this time.

However, fortunately Gavi did not have to be absent for 8 months, because looking at the photo of Gavi who was able to return to training again, it can give us a clear picture that Gavi has indeed recovered from his injury.
Apart from that, according to one of the information media, Gavi is reported to be able to return to playing again, or fully recover on June 30.
This will indeed be very beneficial for Barcelona, ​​because in the coming season Barcelona will definitely need a talented midfielder like Gavi. because currently another Barcelona midfielder (De Jong) is injured. So it will be a breath of fresh air when Gavi can return to playing.


Source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.id/gavi/profil/spieler/646740

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June 14, 2024, 09:36:43 AM
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Hansi Flick must see Gavi as a good player to have in Barcelona's main line-up next season. Romeo, Ilkay Gundogan and Roberto certainly have more experience than Gavi, but in terms of energy I think Gavi is still quite good compared to them. Gavi can sometimes be decisive, it has developed well under Xavi for several seasons.
I agree with you. Gavi is one of the best young players in the world. He was a wonderkid from Spain several years ago. It was very unfortunate when Gavi suffered a long injury which made him miss several important matches. With Gavi's return, I am sure Barcelona will find their best performance again. I can say Gavi will be one of Barcelona's important players next season. I see Gavi has a playing style that is almost the same as Xavi. I'm sure Hansi Flick will include Gavi in ​​the starting XI next season.

Gavi is one of Barcelona's young talented players. Last season we saw erratic performances from Barcelona's midfielders. One of the reasons for this was the injuries to Gavi and De Jong. Had these two players not suffered injuries, we might have seen stronger and more consistent performances from Barcelona.

Flick's main task this season will be to get Barcelona's young players experienced. Barcelona have a number of talented players in their squad. If these players become experienced, and can adapt themselves well to Flick's match tactics, then the Barcelona team will be stronger. Barcelona will not need to buy experienced players. But working with young players is very difficult. Still, Flick is an experienced coach. Hopefully he will be able to make Barcelona strong again.

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June 14, 2024, 09:40:50 AM
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It seems like Girona has already made their first signing of the summer, Ladislav Krejci. Fabrizio Romano has tweeted about the details of the signing.

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1801357419815084092

It is a 12 million euros package. Krejci is mainly a centre-back but he has been like a goal machine.  Cheesy  11 goals and 7 assists in total in the past season and 13 goals in the prior season. He is able to play as a defensive midfielder at the same time. I think he is a wonderful transfer for Girona in short. It looks like they have no intention to have a weaker squad next time.  Smiley 
this time, Girona seems to be in a serious situation and has very high goals to continue to bring in high quality players who can help the team produce greater results and this is done because Girona will appear in the UCL next season so they are trying to make an offer to Krejci.
Krejci is only a defender, but if you look deeper, he is actually more suited to being a midfielder who can provide assistance to strikers to score and his achievements really exceed those of defenders who usually always focus on defending the defense line, but Krejci has skills which always helps the team to get a winning score.

€12 million is not something big and is commensurate with the talent that the player has and it could still very easily be a good investment in the future and I think Girona should immediately formalize Krejci as a Girona player because if not, there will definitely be another big team which will give you a bigger offer.
I imagine that when Girona becomes stronger after bringing in quality players, La Liga competition will definitely get tougher and Barcelona might also come under a little pressure.

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June 14, 2024, 10:05:59 AM
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Laporta let slip that Barcelona midfielder wants to leave in recent interview
Source: https://barcauniversal.com/laporta-let-slip-that-barcelona-midfielder-wants-to-leave-in-recent-interview-report/

Don’t think it was actually him making any kind of mistake. If anything Laporta has actually said that because he wants to let the other clubs know that the player is going to leave Barcelona. And as the player has a contract with Barcelona till 2026, probably this was just a marketing strategy which he thought has the ability to push the market value of Orioles Romeu a little higher. Of course, I am not an expert on this. But if I had to assume, I think this is why Laporta said that. And of course, a player can leave the club. That is not something new. I just think Barcelona will try to get as much money as possible by selling Orioles Romeu.

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June 14, 2024, 10:19:17 AM
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It seems like Girona has already made their first signing of the summer, Ladislav Krejci. Fabrizio Romano has tweeted about the details of the signing.

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1801357419815084092

It is a 12 million euros package. Krejci is mainly a centre-back but he has been like a goal machine.  Cheesy  11 goals and 7 assists in total in the past season and 13 goals in the prior season. He is able to play as a defensive midfielder at the same time. I think he is a wonderful transfer for Girona in short. It looks like they have no intention to have a weaker squad next time.  Smiley  

The next target is Luciano Rodríguez from Liverpool Montevideo. He seems like a talented attacker who can play as a winger and centre-forward both.
Girona seems to be starting to look for some players to be able to compete next season, Ladislav Krejc is of course a very talented young player and can play in two positions in the squad, apart from being a midfielder, Ladislav Krejc is also able to play very well as a center back, so it will certainly be very beneficial for Girona to be able to make their squad stronger next season,  I think Girona should be able to bring in some new players to get them ready to compete in La Liga and also the Champions League next season.

In addition to Ladislav Krejc, girona is also starting to target Luciano Rodríguez, currently it seems that the transfer move made by girona is quite unique because they seem to be more inclined to target talented players from teams that are not famous at all, so far I have not found any target players that they are targeting from the current big European teams,  In addition to having to add players, for can be possible to compete next season of course Girona can not again to sell their star players, I hope Alex Garcia will be the last player they sell at the moment.

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June 14, 2024, 10:42:34 AM
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It seems like Girona has already made their first signing of the summer, Ladislav Krejci. Fabrizio Romano has tweeted about the details of the signing.

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1801357419815084092

It is a 12 million euros package. Krejci is mainly a centre-back but he has been like a goal machine.  Cheesy  11 goals and 7 assists in total in the past season and 13 goals in the prior season. He is able to play as a defensive midfielder at the same time. I think he is a wonderful transfer for Girona in short. It looks like they have no intention to have a weaker squad next time.  Smiley 

The next target is Luciano Rodríguez from Liverpool Montevideo. He seems like a talented attacker who can play as a winger and centre-forward both.
And it seems that Girona will not be able to keep Dovbyk for the next season, in addition to Atletico, Milan has also entered the fight for the forward, in addition to various rumors, these are the most likely teams that can sign the forward. Perhaps it would be better for Dovbyk to stay in La Liga, since he knows this championship well and would not need much time to adapt to the new championship. Moreover, it seems that Semione is now more inclined to play attacking football, which will always be acceptable for a striker.

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June 14, 2024, 10:44:06 AM
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For me, the major problem for Barcelona next season would be quality squad depth. Barcelona is having some financial crisis, but they always find a way. Most people talk about them without really knowing the main issue, and of course, they don't care because that won't be interesting news to sell. Barcelona is still a very rich club, probably the second or third richest club in the world, the problems they're facing are not because they can't generate money, but due to the tight La Liga restrictions which don't allow them to spend as much as they earn.

Currently, Barcelona are facing the 1:4 rule. This rule allows them to only spend a quarter on whatever money they generate. This was put in place to help them pay off their debts and balance their finances. That was why it was difficult for them to sign players because even if they could pull off a big signing, they couldn't afford to pay them.
Now despite all these restrictions, Barcelona still find ways to get players of quality, like they've done in the past two seasons.

Currently, Barcelona is about to sign a deal with Nike that would take them back to 1:1 l. Meaning, they can spend as much as they make. This would make it easier for them to sign big players and pay them because aside from Real Madrid, no team in Europe generates more money than Barcelona.
Hence why I said the major problem Barcelona would face next season is squad depth. They're going to make signings this summer, but those signings would be to fill up the positions that need filling like the DM, LW and many 2 more positions. Flick is a player who works his players to their core and a manager like that needs squad depth to rotate his squad to avoid fatigue.
Four very quality signings and the right player sales would make Barcelona very competitive next season and I believe they know that.

Currently, Barcelona is approaching with a young squad. And obviously, that's why the experience is not much in the squad. Barcelona, a team that had some of the most incredible players in the midfield for a long time, will have to go and play with a midfield that is very young even though they have good talent.

Squad depth is obviously something that is going to bother Barcelona. Because the Barcelona squad is already not one of the best. Definitely not something that can actually compete against Real Madrid very well. And if they face any injury, it is going to be really bad.


The major issues for flick would be the fact that Barcelona themselves are almost entirely broke and for a club like Barcelona that wants to return to their former glory they would definitely need to bring in some players and that would require funds which at the moment seems to be some of their issues but even at that I still expect them to be different atleast they have some good players, it just all boils down to the fact that a good coach with good mentality needs to handle the club.
Hansi Flick will be successful in his new club although he will encounter top challenges which will probably make things really rough and tough for the new coach. Barcelona are facing financial crisis and we totally understands how everything can play out because there's more options to explore but due to their inability to tabled in for sufficient resources, they might as well quit from solid budgets, more similarly in buying top talents. Hansi Flick will do his best to apprehend the performance of the club and we totally understands the point of the club.

I would not make any judgment already. Maybe he will be successful, maybe he will face some difficulties. But I believe even if he is bringing in the similar kind of result that Xavi was bringing in, he should not be under a lot of pressure. Without money, there is no point in just keep changing the coach. And the decision of firing Xavi was not a very good one. But that decision has been made. I hope they understand that if they keep changing the coach, the result is not suddenly going to improve.

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June 14, 2024, 11:04:33 AM
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It seems like Girona has already made their first signing of the summer, Ladislav Krejci. Fabrizio Romano has tweeted about the details of the signing.

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1801357419815084092

It is a 12 million euros package. Krejci is mainly a centre-back but he has been like a goal machine.  Cheesy  11 goals and 7 assists in total in the past season and 13 goals in the prior season. He is able to play as a defensive midfielder at the same time. I think he is a wonderful transfer for Girona in short. It looks like they have no intention to have a weaker squad next time.  Smiley 

The next target is Luciano Rodríguez from Liverpool Montevideo. He seems like a talented attacker who can play as a winger and centre-forward both.
And it seems that Girona will not be able to keep Dovbyk for the next season, in addition to Atletico, Milan has also entered the fight for the forward, in addition to various rumors, these are the most likely teams that can sign the forward. Perhaps it would be better for Dovbyk to stay in La Liga, since he knows this championship well and would not need much time to adapt to the new championship. Moreover, it seems that Semione is now more inclined to play attacking football, which will always be acceptable for a striker.

Artem Dovbyk managed to perform well last season. His fitness is very good. Artem Dovbyk scored 24 goals and 8 assists in 36 games last season. So naturally several teams are keen to add this talented player to their squad now.

Atletico Madrid and Inter Milan have shown the most interest in adding Artem Dovbyk to the squad. If Inter Milan want to add Artem Dovbyk to the team, they will surely offer smart wages. The Girona club is not very strong financially. So I guess Girona management will earn big amount by selling several players from their squad this season.

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Gavi is one of Barcelona's young talented players. Last season we saw erratic performances from Barcelona's midfielders. One of the reasons for this was the injuries to Gavi and De Jong. Had these two players not suffered injuries, we might have seen stronger and more consistent performances from Barcelona.

Flick's main task this season will be to get Barcelona's young players experienced. Barcelona have a number of talented players in their squad. If these players become experienced, and can adapt themselves well to Flick's match tactics, then the Barcelona team will be stronger. Barcelona will not need to buy experienced players. But working with young players is very difficult. Still, Flick is an experienced coach. Hopefully he will be able to make Barcelona strong again.
Agree. Gavi is a talented young player that Barcelona currently has, although currently he cannot bring Barcelona to glory again in difficult times, but one day he will definitely be able to do it and the good news is that he has recovered from his injury, this of course makes Hansi Flick feel happy. Gavi should be grateful to coach Ronald Koeman. Because of Koeman, another quality young player like Gavi could be born, not only for Barcelona but also for the Spanish national team.

Actually, Barcelona doesn't need to buy players from outside. If they are willing to look for La Masia and give confidence to young players, then Barcelona can be successful without having to buy expensive players. Indeed, as you said, buying experienced players is important to accelerate Barcelona's strength because working with young players is difficult. However, the problem is that Barcelona is currently experiencing a financial crisis so using La Masia players is the only solution.

I think Flick's first season will help barcelona out of financial difficulties, and next season he will start to win a lot of trophies with barcelona.

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June 14, 2024, 11:32:22 AM
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It would be interesting to know what specific tasks are assigned to Flick, but this is classified information (at least for now). Barcelona cannot publicly admit that they have no goal of winning La Liga (due to their status) so now we can only guess what they want from him. If we draw an analogy with Xavi, last season they expected any two trophies from him (even the smallest one like the Spanish Cup). It seems to me that the target level for him is set as “no lower than second place in La Liga and no less than the quarterfinals in the Champions League + some title.”
I don't know if Hansi Flick will lead Barcelona towards their goals, but he will have to admit it is a difficult task. Real Madrid, the strongest of its rivals, added Mbappe to its squad and is now very strong. Barcelona must show its best performance against Real Madrid and other teams. The road to the championship will be a very difficult road. I think the minimum target should be to finish the league in second place.

At the moment, bookmakers quote Real's chances of winning the title as 1.49 and Barcelona's as 4.50, quite eloquent figures to understand the difficulty of the task. But as I said, I don’t think that the Barcelona management is so crazy as to demand the title as an unambiguous condition, they will not admit it publicly, but the real requirements will be approximately the same as what we expect (not lower than second place, some kind of cup, etc.) .

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