Been out for a week, must have missed some drama - who the fuck is ekiller?

[marlboroza]

Here's another one:

Who am I?

That's literally the whole PM. I'm too dumb for these riddles.

Try with "what was the last thing you remember" 
If I have to guess, I would say that you excluded rallier from trust network http://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-17_Sat_05.04h/152486.html and they want to know why.

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[Foxpup]

Who am I?

Well, I know who you are:

youtube.com/watch?v=deEJLVFnWXQ

[suchmoon]

If I have to guess, I would say that you excluded rallier from trust network http://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-17_Sat_05.04h/152486.html and they want to know why.

I should probably expect a cryptic PM from AlyattesLydia too LOL

If they just asked I could explain that I don't want their crappy ratings and/or trust lists polluting the scores I'm seeing, but they didn't so I can't.

[ekiller]

 Thank you for  ~ekiller (distrust) me without any reason.

I'll pay back it ASAP.

The fuck is this shit? Some no-name nobodies sending threatening nice informative PMs?

Oh how I miss Bitcointalk, can't wait to get back and wade in this sewer again.

Aaaaghh.  Sorry i just hear about this topic.  And I came to add some piece of shit.

Nice question by topic owner @suchmoon : "bla bla bla ....... - who the fuck is ekiller?"

Do you really want to know me? Did you open topic for this.
Maybe you know me... At least I thought so. Because you gave me merit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5137620.msg50838460#msg50838460

If you don't know who the fuck is ekiller? Why you give merit in my Turkish post?
You don't know me, you have no idea what i'm writing Turkish. But I see you are polite enough to reward me with merit.

So months later,  you add me distrust list without any reason.

Nooow, ask yourself;  Do I know ekiller or not. Do i like ekiller or not.   Let's talk when you solve the problem.
But please don't talk like this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wSf9eHl1AQ&list=LLzYT3bvg13hvXZvjWSzslaw

I have a nice word for you in Turkish.  Maybe you like it too.

 Elmanın içine giren kurdun ölümü ya dişten, ya bıçaktan olur.

[Foxpup]

Maybe you know me... At least I thought so. Because you gave me merit.

Sorry, but we merit way too many people to get to know all of them. Don't believe rumours to the contrary.

[Vispilio]

I only know him from NEW DT1 LIST: Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings, where he caught my attention because he includes 2 banned users. Those users left him positive feedback, which makes him a Trust Selfscratcher.
His Trust score went from neutral to +11 the moment he was put on DT1.

I have to ask: if you don't know his name, why did you exclude him?

ekiller is a well known and liked member from the Turkish local section, where he has been active and helpful there for many years especially with his superior electronical expertise and fair trades...

I admit a lot of Turkish users don't pay attention to maintaining an up to date trust list, however, so if you like we can make a post on the Turkish section reminding people to at least remove banned users from their positive trust list, as most of them may not even be aware of the new DT dynamics or made up their trust lists for trivial reasons (like a nice trade from years ago, etc.)

[LoyceV]

I admit a lot of Turkish users don't pay attention to maintaining an up to date trust list, however, so if you like we can make a post on the Turkish section reminding people to at least remove banned users from their positive trust list, as most of them may not even be aware of the new DT dynamics or made up their trust lists for trivial reasons (like a nice trade from years ago, etc.)

I encourage all local boards to promote custom Trust lists. Let me quote myself:

Make your own Trust list
I encourage anyone to create their own Trust list. Don't confuse your Trust list with Feedback though:

• Feedback: people you trust (or don't trust: red)
• Trust list: people who's judgement on others you trust (or don't trust: ~)

It's entirely up to to a user if they want to include banned users, but they shouldn't be surprised if others exclude them for putting banned or red trusted users on DT2.

ekiller is a well known and liked member from the Turkish local section, where he has been active and helpful there for many years especially with his superior electronical expertise and fair trades...

Obviously I can't read those boards, but this doesn't have anything to do with being on DT1. I don't think excluding people for no other reason than retaliation is good behaviour.

[Vispilio]

It's entirely up to to a user if they want to include banned users, but they shouldn't be surprised if others exclude them for putting banned or red trusted users on DT2.

Agreed, they should just bear in mind that doing that is essentially saying: "I believe the ban decision was not accurate, this person's judgement deserves to continue to
influence the reputation system in the forum" in the current system, and I'm sure most guys were not aware of that in the Turkish section...

I've just made a thread on the local section also quoting your good advice by the way: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178202.msg52241677#msg52241677

[DireWolfM14]

I have nothing against ekiller, but I excluded him as well.  Retaliatory exclusions and stacking his trust list with his friends are a signs of making trust-list decisions for the wrong reasons.  I have no cause to distrust ekiller, but I don't value his trust list, and like suchmoon, prefer to not allow it to influence the ratings I see. 

This doesn't prevent ekiller from being a factor in the reviews others see.  If anyone from the Turkish community (or any member of this forum for that matter) is in disagreement with me, they may add ekiller to their trust list, and it'll be as if he's still on DT.

[o_e_l_e_o]

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This is exactly my reasoning as well. I would also add (for myself at least) that if ekiller wants to start maintaining a responsible trust list and stop artificially boosting his own trust score, I'd be more than happy to review my exclusion.

[suchmoon]

Maybe you know me... At least I thought so. Because you gave me merit.

I give merits for posts. Not based on whom I know. You can't seriously claim that I know 1000+ people on this forum.

So months later,  you add me distrust list without any reason.

Merit has nothing to do with trust. I distrust Quuckseller immensely but I do merit him occasionally when he's not being a total asshole.

And there is good reason to distrust you. Sending me the kind of PM that you did just cements that.

Nooow, ask yourself;  Do I know ekiller or not. Do i like ekiller or not.   Let's talk when you solve the problem.

I don't have to like you or to know you and I don't consider that a problem. However, a shitty trust list is your problem and you might want to look into that.

[Blacknavy]

By rallier and other DT members are one of the most trusted members in our local section. You added them in your distrust list because you don't want other people to be DT member. It is a real drama, i'll add you in my distrust list because of your unfair behaviours.

[suchmoon]

By rallier and other DT members are one of the most trusted members in our local section.

That's awesome. They should be smart enough to figure out how to clean up their trust lists then.

You added them in your distrust list because you don't want other people to be DT member.

False. I distrust users whose ratings and/or trust lists I don't want to see in my trust network. I stopped caring about impact on DT once that random shit started, and that's probably the right approach anyway.

It is a real drama, i'll add you in my distrust list because of your unfair behaviours.

You're doing it wrong, you're supposed to send me a butthurt PM first.

[ekiller]

@suchmoon

 Talking with you is just a waste of time.   I didn't even know you existed until you add me distrust list 
And I PM you when I saw this

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Thank you for  ~ekiller (distrust) me without any reason.

I'll pay back it ASAP.
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So I add you as distrust too.  I paid back.

You started this game, I finished it.

Now you can stop whining.

[o_e_l_e_o]

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You really aren't helping yourself here. In the last week, you have added two new users to your trust list. One of them is banned, and the other has left 8 trust ratings. Both of them have left a positive rating for you. This kind of manipulation of DT to boost your own rank is pretty untrustworthy, in my opinion. Why are you desperate to appear as trustworthy as possible? What are you planning to do on the forum that hinges on other users trusting you with their funds or assets in a trade?

Furthermore, "paying someone back" is a lousy way to create a trust list. If this is your mentality, then you probably don't belong on DT anyway.

[suchmoon]

Now you can stop whining.

I apologize if it came across as whining. I fully support your (or anyone's) right to exclude anyone for any reason or no reason. It's also great to have your comments on the situation. Thank you so much.

[ekiller]

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You really aren't helping yourself here. In the last week, you have added two new users to your trust list. One of them is banned, and the other has left 8 trust ratings. Both of them have left a positive rating for you. This kind of manipulation of DT to boost your own rank is pretty untrustworthy, in my opinion. Why are you desperate to appear as trustworthy as possible? What are you planning to do on the forum that hinges on other users trusting you with their funds or assets in a trade?

Furthermore, "paying someone back" is a lousy way to create a trust list. If this is your mentality, then you probably don't belong on DT anyway.

I will not remove people I trust in my list in real life  ok ? Banned or not . I do not care.
It's not my problem that banned people appear on my list as BANNED.  If this is a problem that mean bitcointalk.org forum system is a problem.
Forum system can remove banned users completely in database. So they don't appear on anybody's list forever. 
But bitcointalk.org didn't choose that.

To be DT member is a award from the community to me. And they can take it back any time they want.

The only thing i won't do; To be involved in various strategic games.

[xtraelv]

I will not remove people I trust in my list in real life  ok ? Banned or not . I do not care.
It's not my problem that banned people appear on my list as BANNED.  If this is a problem that mean bitcointalk.org forum system is a problem.
Forum system can remove banned users completely in database. So they don't appear on anybody's list forever. 
But bitcointalk.org didn't choose that.

To be DT member is a award from the community to me. And they can take it back any time they want.

The only thing i won't do; To be involved in various strategic games.

Sometimes people you like in real life are not suitable to carry the responsibility that forum trust requires.

I removed a number of people from my trust list that I trust on other platforms but that either broke the rules on here or do not show the responsibility that being on DT requires.

If someone is banned it shows that they were not prepared to follow the forum rules and most often that is either for spamming or plagiarism.

I'm reluctant to exclude people from DT unless they show they are not up to the task by giving questionable feedback. More DT's hopefully makes the forum trust system more robust. It is nice to see some new Turkish DTs. Forum bans are separate from trust issues but I recommend that you re-assess your stance on keeping people on your trust list that have a negative impact on the forum. It shows that you take the forum rules and etiquette seriously and are prepared to hold people accountable - including your friends.

[xolxol]

you will be removed from the DT1,if you arent going to signup with lauda's asslicking club..they dont want any outsiders so they can live happily ever after,thats the reason why you are excluded.

[DireWolfM14]

There seems to be a lot of drama in the Turkish local board resulting from this one event.  A similar situation erupted not too long ago with many members of the Russian local.  In the past week I've been excluded by a couple of members who are active in the Turkish local board.  Since I've had no interaction with these particular members I suspect that it's retaliation for excluding them, ekiller, and possibly others who are active in that board.  One member opined that my exclusions are based on nationalist sentiment.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  

Although I am unabashedly a proud American, it's also fair to mention for the sake of this argument that my ethnicity is Palestinian Arab, and I was raised in a Muslim household.  I harbor no animosity towards anyone due to their national origin, ethnicity, religious beliefs, sex, gender, or any other immutable trait.

I don't know how many times I've said this, but it's worth repeating a million times more: The only factor that I consider when adding members to, or excluding members from my trust list is that member's own trust list and the reviews they've left for others.  If I feel that a member constructs his trust list for the sake of "awarding" his friends or countrymen simply because they are friends and countrymen, then I am likely to exclude that user.  If I feel like a member is building his trust list to elevate his own trust score by adding members who've left him positive reviews, then I am likely to exclude that member.  If I feel a user is actively trying to make the community a better, safer place for trading and exchanging ideas, that user is likely to get added to my trust list.  It's really that simple.

It's been my observation that users who kvetch and writhe because they get excluded from someone's trust list are usually the ones who don't belong in DT to begin with.  Just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Below is a list of the members who have me excluded, and I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that they all (except the anti-Lauda bunch) excluded me due to retaliation.  Not once have I PM'd any of them to try to get them to reconsider my exclusion, not once have I shown any care whatsoever that I've been excluded.  If I get bumped off of DT1 tomorrow, life will go on, and I'll keep maintaining my trust list with the same approach I've used all this time.

~DireWolfM14 is Distrusted by:
1. babo (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (208 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. cryptohunter (Trust: +1 / =3 / -4) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. buckrogers (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 46 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. bamb (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. zazarb (Trust: +26 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-3) 482 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Vadi2323 (Trust: neutral) (84 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. WhiteManWhite (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 64 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. TheFuzzStone (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 559 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. endlasuresh (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. kenzawak (Trust: +2 / =1 / -13) (840 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. Bazinga442 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -7) (24 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. chickinini (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. cryptorgasm (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Pablojob (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. PiningGarcia (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. PingGermoco (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. cryptopov (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. poypototoy (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. Zin-Zang (Trust: +0 / =1 / -7) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. S_Therapist (Trust: +0 / =2 / -2) (271 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. H8bussesNbicycles (Trust: +0 / =1 / -11) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. ito-marketing (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. gwsukabokepjepang (Trust: +0 / =0 / -10) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)