Opinions on who to add to my trust list.

[DaveF]

So, more of Dave’s ramblings but with an interesting twist. As I mentioned in another thread, it’s only recently that I have changed my trust list off of default trust. Most of the people I have added I have had some interaction of some sort on the forum with. Others I have seen their posts and their actions and added them.

There are a few people here, that I have had dealings with in the real world, with 0 interactions here. Not even posting on the same boards. They are mostly altcoiners. Do I add them? I know ‘IRL’ they can be trusted and have good judgement. Here, is a bit more difficult.

In the end it probably does not matter. But yet again, it’s something we probably have to think about and might warrant some discussion.

-Dave

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[LoyceV]

Have you seen my Trust list viewer (direct link) yet? You can use it to see who others have on their Trust list. Theymos' Trust list could be a good starting point.

There are a few people here, that I have had dealings with in the real world, with 0 interactions here. Not even posting on the same boards. They are mostly altcoiners. Do I add them? I know ‘IRL’ they can be trusted and have good judgement. Here, is a bit more difficult.

Have they left any feedback on others? If so, you can use those to assess their judgement on others. If you think they have good judgement: add them to your Trust list.

And:

Don't confuse your Trust list with Feedback though:

• Feedback: people you trust (or don't trust: red)
• Trust list: people who's judgement on others you trust (or don't trust: ~)

[DaveF]

There are a few people here, that I have had dealings with in the real world, with 0 interactions here. Not even posting on the same boards. They are mostly altcoiners. Do I add them? I know ‘IRL’ they can be trusted and have good judgement. Here, is a bit more difficult.

Have they left any feedback on others? If so, you can use those to assess their judgement on others. If you agree: add them to your Trust list.

Have you seen my Trust list viewer (direct link) yet? You can use it to see who others have on their Trust list. Theymos' Trust list could be a good starting point.

And:

Don't confuse your Trust list with Feedback though:

• Feedback: people you trust (or don't trust: red)
• Trust list: people who's judgement on others you trust (or don't trust: ~)

I have seen it and I get what you are saying about feedback vs. trust list.

What I am getting at is, picking on the 1st name in your trust list. Why do you trust dooglus? Have you seen his posts here and trust his judgement on others because of it? Have you had trades with him and see how he treats others in trading and how he responds to them? Is he generally a useful person on the forum and helps out others? OR have you known him as a tech geek for 10 years and think he is great person, even if you have no real idea how they are really behaving here? Remember, he is your friend, you are much more likely to give the person you have known and hung out with for a decade the benefit of the doubt if he is generating a bit of spam and pumping some alt coin then you would give to me an unknown person on a forum. That is just human nature.

I have somewhat not kept up on what they are doing here because they just have different interests in crypto then I do. We really don't discuss it when hanging out.

Since I only had my trust set to the default it didn't matter now it does since someone may take a look and / or be influenced by who I put there and I am trying to get a feel for it.

Which also, just tripped a thought across my brain. How many people here know and interact with others on a regular basis? Might be interesting to find out.

-Dave

[actmyname]

If you consider someone trusted even if they were to stop being your friend, then that is what they are.

[LoyceV]

What I am getting at is, picking on the 1st name in your trust list. Why do you trust dooglus? Have you seen his posts here and trust his judgement on others because of it? Have you had trades with him and see how he treats others in trading and how he responds to them? Is he generally a useful person on the forum and helps out others? OR have you known him as a tech geek for 10 years and think he is great person, even if you have no real idea how they are really behaving here? Remember, he is your friend, you are much more likely to give the person you have known and hung out with for a decade the benefit of the doubt if he is generating a bit of spam and pumping some alt coin then you would give to me an unknown person on a forum. That is just human nature.

I can answer this: From what I've seen, dooglus is what I would call "level headed". I've seen his posts (but not all of them), and trust his judgement based on his posts and the feedback I've seen from him. He's been a forum member for 8.5 years,  I've seen him be helpful to others (example) and as an early adopter he's probably a tech geek indeed (and rich enough to make scamming very unlikely). He's not my friend, I don't know him and I don't think I've ever had any personal interaction.

[YOSHIE]

There are a few people here,

Here, is a bit more difficult.

Why don't you mention the names of the people you entrust to add them to your trust.
for example:
1. A
2. B
3. C

If this is difficult to determine what you mean, there are hundreds of members who have professional and decent posts.

So, members will show you, which is worth giving trust. Maybe, members here will judge from the appropriate posts, choose one of the names that you post.

 if, you ask for advice from members here.

If, you don't believe in the choice of members here, you can choose yourself, which you think is appropriate. Suggestion.

[Steamtyme]

LoyceV nailed it and had examples.

Adding to your trust list should only take into account their actions on the forum. Regardless of how you use your list; entirely for yourself or with the forum in mind thinking about others that add you or if you are DT1. It's the feedback that they leave, how accurate it is, the relevancy, and their reasons for doing so.

Off forum relationships like trusting, previous dealings, or personal relationships can be left feedback. Which one depends on the situation and your personal standards.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Why don't you mention the names of the people you entrust to add them to your trust.

No need, with the next update via LoyceV trust list, you can easily identify who he added or removed from his custom trust list.
OP just want to point out that, this is a virtual world, an individual could be trustworthy in the real world but isn't on the forum, vice versa. Nevertheless no one has the right to tell you who to or who not to add to your trust list, the choice is yours to make. Choose wisely though as you're not only indicating their feedback as trustworthy but also giving them your vote for DT.

[DaveF]

Why don't you mention the names of the people you entrust to add them to your trust.

No need, with the next update via LoyceV trust list, you can easily identify who he added or removed from his custom trust.
OP just want to point out that, this is a virtual world, an individual could be trustworthy in the real world but isn't on the forum, vice versa. Nevertheless no one has the right to tell you who to or who not to add to your trust list, the choice is yours to make. Choose wisely though as you're not indicating their feedback as trustworthy but also giving them your vote for DT.

Said much better then I did.

I was just trying to get a feeling of additions.

-Dave

[hd49728]

People have rights to leave their feedback on others, but DT members, from 1 to 3 levels, have their more powerful weights with their feedbacks, especially with old Trust system.
After Trust Flag born to adjust and improve old Trust system, weights of feedbacks seems to be blurred a bit. This change help people whom painted with negative trusts less paranoid. Negative trust, for now, simply displayed with more friendly and less shocking color, with Orange (compared to past color, Red). Weighted trust eliminated too (nowadays, we no longer see Trust: -200 that come from a few powerful DT members' feedback)
But negative feedbacks from DT members, whoever they are, always show with Orange, that leads me to a thought that:
- Do DT members should have at least a minimum of positive trusts before their negative feedbacks on others will be displayed with Orange color?
- Forum does not need to see drama from new DT members whom still unfamiliar with their power, and can use their power wrongly.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Adding to your trust list should only take into account their actions on the forum.

That's my understanding of how one's trust list should be created as well.  If I've had transactions with someone which went well, I might leave them a positive feedback but won't necessarily add them to my trust list.  The latter is reserved for people who've shown good judgement in leaving feedback and/or other forum matters.  I mostly have scam/spam busters on my trust list and not members with whom I've bought or sold anything.

DaveF, you can do whatever you like with your trust list, but if you're on DT it becomes far more important to maintain the list responsibly.  Nowadays I have no clue who's on DT from minute to minute and you could end up on it if you aren't already (I haven't checked).  And if you're a DT member with a questionable trust list, you'll hear about it from other DT members pretty quickly.  My advice is to just be conservative when creating your list.  It doesn't have to be extensive and should reflect members' solid judgement in matters related to the forum.

[DaveF]

Adding to your trust list should only take into account their actions on the forum.

That's my understanding of how one's trust list should be created as well.  If I've had transactions with someone which went well, I might leave them a positive feedback but won't necessarily add them to my trust list.  The latter is reserved for people who've shown good judgement in leaving feedback and/or other forum matters.  I mostly have scam/spam busters on my trust list and not members with whom I've bought or sold anything.

DaveF, you can do whatever you like with your trust list, but if you're on DT it becomes far more important to maintain the list responsibly.  Nowadays I have no clue who's on DT from minute to minute and you could end up on it if you aren't already (I haven't checked).  And if you're a DT member with a questionable trust list, you'll hear about it from other DT members pretty quickly.  My advice is to just be conservative when creating your list.  It doesn't have to be extensive and should reflect members' solid judgement in matters related to the forum.

Somehow I'm DT2
How did that happen?

Anyway as of now this is my list, still working on it:

Code:

~wizkid057
vizique
~BADecker
buckrogers
Lesbian Cow
suchmoon
mindtrip
minerjones
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278
Royse777
LoyceV
actmyname
The Pharmacist
~ridery99
~B1tUnl0ck3r
~game-protect
Hhampuz
Kryptowerk
krogothmanhattan
OneNattyLitecoin
bluefirecorp_
o_e_l_e_o
anonymousminer
~Bitcoin SV
~Rikafip

Feel free to comment on it here or in PM.

Full disclosure, if you PM me I *may* discuss it out here in the open, but your name will never be disclosed.
For now, it's mostly people who I have traded with and those who I see helping out others or in other sections of the forum.

-Dave

[Steamtyme]

Somehow I'm DT2
How did that happen?

You are trusted by Buckrogers and anonymousminer who are both on DT1 this month after looking at your custom trust list on the LoyceV viewer.

I like that you let people know that you may discuss the PM's in public and would refrain from using their name. Just a good practice. So far the list looks good, some I'm not familiar with their feedback, but I'm sure you took some time and gave it thought. That's more than most do, hopefully you find it works well to give you the info you need. If not you can easily make small adjustments going forwards, much easier than starting from scratch.

[otrkid1970]

Bunch of Sallies fighting over a green feedback.  How pathetic!

[TheBeardedBaby]

Keep in mind that dealing with the trust lists, soon you dive in all the drama around them.
Now its quiet, but sooner or later there will be a new drama, that's how the forum politics works.

[DaveF]

Bunch of Sallies fighting over a green feedback.  How pathetic!

~otrkid1970

Keep in mind that dealing with the trust lists, soon you dive in all the drama around them.
Now its quiet, but sooner or later there will be a new drama, that's how the forum politics works.

I'm on a few other forums. This one is polite even at it's worst.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.msg52113701#msg52113701


-Dave

[marlboroza]

~otrkid1970

It does not make any sense to exclude them. First of all, otrkid1970 didn't send any feedback except for hacked account. Second, except they excluded Lauda and The Pharmacist http://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-17_Sat_05.04h/2025790.html, their trust list is empty. Account is irrelevant.

[DaveF]

~otrkid1970

It does not make any sense to exclude them. First of all, otrkid1970 didn't send any feedback except for hacked account. Second, except they excluded Lauda and The Pharmacist http://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-17_Sat_05.04h/2025790.html, their trust list is empty. Account is irrelevant.

It was sarcasm.
I actually added him in for a minute to take a screen shot, but I munged cropping the image on mobile so I just posted the text comment.

-Dave

[hd49728]

Somehow I'm DT2
How did that happen?

LoyceV answered about that. You are DT member because DT1 members selected you, and added you into their trust lists.

Can I ask that which are differences between DT1, DT2 members?

DT1 members select DT2 members, just like DT2 members select DT3 members.

I ask because I saw both DT1 and DT2 members can leave negative feedbacks on users

All users can leave feedback, just not all of them are shown by default.

[DaveF]

Somehow I'm DT2
How did that happen?

LoyceV answered about that. You are DT member because DT1 members selected you, and added you into their trust lists.

Yet again, my sarcasm didn't show though my post.
More along the lines of, "how the hell did 2 DT1 people actually select me" :-)

-Dave

[hd49728]

Yet again, my sarcasm didn't show though my post.
More along the lines of, "how the hell did 2 DT1 people actually select me" :-)

-Dave

As I saw in your trust page, and your trust summary, you traded with them, smoothly, and without issues, so they selected you. 

[xtraelv]

I use purely selfish reasoning for adding people to my trust list. The core criteria being - do I want to see their opinions ?

1) The criteria that I use is "do I trust their judgement" ?  I look at the people they tag, their posts on the forum and who they associate with.

While it doesn't make it perfect - it is a good guide.

2) More is better. Unless someone is consistently wrong it is better to get a warning and ignore it than to get no warning and deal with a scammer.

If you get a warning you have the choice to ignore it. For instance - people may have done something dodgy but it doesn't necessarily make the untrustworthy in every way.

For this reason I've left default trust on - but have a custom list. If I find a particular member makes consistent unreliable decisions or appears dodgy I exclude them but have DT1 and 2 included by default.

[dantee1]

Trust is earned not awarded. Let anyone you are going to add to your trust list earn your trust. It won't make sense to add someone to a trust list just because you saw one of their post and likes it. What if the post is someone else idea? Or copy and paste? Do you check the originality of those post?

To me, If I am to add someone in a trust list, I must have had a direct dealing with the person and sees how he handle matters, or see them deal with other people. Granted, you can judge someones competence trust worthiness by following his posts. But is has to be multiple posts showing a pattern of good judgements, not just one.

[TheBeardedBaby]

~
I'm on a few other forums. This one is polite even at it's worst.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.msg52113701#msg52113701

-Dave

I can assure you that most of the "shit" in the other forums is just this >



On this forum, where money and interests are involved things are quite different. Doxing, extortion-ism , life-threatening... some people went to jail for doing shady business here. It's not what it looks like at first, things are quite serious and big money are involved as well. Most of the people are seeing only the top surface and they are OK with that.
Those are just my observations, I do enjoy being here anyway.

[DaveF]

~
I'm on a few other forums. This one is polite even at it's worst.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.msg52113701#msg52113701

-Dave

I can assure you that most of the "shit" in the other forums is just this >



On this forum, where money and interests are involved things are quite different. Doxing, extortion-ism , life-threatening... some people went to jail for doing shady business here. It's not what it looks like at first, things are quite serious and big money are involved as well. Most of the people are seeing only the top surface and they are OK with that.
Those are just my observations, I do enjoy being here anyway.

Without taking it too far off topic; we actually had another local club that was forced to disband over the 2 vs 3 wheel fight.
They lost 2 or 3 (out of 30) members who they forced out when they gout 3 wheelers. Some other members left to show solidarity with the members who were pushed out out. Down to 22 members.

The next year, there was a vote to see if they should try to get some of the members back and the yes vs. no got so heated that the yes (9)  people walked out bringing the membership below the charter level.

No more club.

Because people got old a 3 wheel bikes are easier on the back.

-Dave

[malevolent]

and as an early adopter he's probably a tech geek indeed (and rich enough to make scamming very unlikely).

At one point his site just-dice held over $30M worth of investors' bitcoins (back when the site used bitcoins instead of clamcoins), if he didn't embezzle the money back then when he had ample opportunity, he can easily be considered one of the most trustworthy people in the Bitcoin community.

For not running away with my money I gave him a positive rating, but that's still a separate thing from a Trust list. But I have no objections to his ratings, and trust his judgement so put him on my Trust list too.

[LoyceV]

Anyway as of now this is my list, still working on it:

Code:

~wizkid057
vizique
~BADecker
buckrogers
Lesbian Cow
suchmoon
mindtrip
minerjones
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278
Royse777
LoyceV
actmyname
The Pharmacist
~ridery99
~B1tUnl0ck3r
~game-protect
Hhampuz
Kryptowerk
krogothmanhattan
OneNattyLitecoin
bluefirecorp_
o_e_l_e_o
anonymousminer
~Bitcoin SV
~Rikafip

Allow me

Trust list for: DaveF (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (243 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-08-24_Sat_08.13h)
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DaveF Trusts:
1. vizique (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 244 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. buckrogers (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 46 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Lesbian Cow (Trust: +41 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 440 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. suchmoon (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (39) 2833 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. mindtrip (Trust: +17 / =0 / -1) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. minerjones (Trust: +99 / =1 / -0) (804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. BitcoinPenny (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (511 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. yahoo62278 (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 615 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Royse777 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (330 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. LoyceV (Trust: +20 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (49) 3418 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. actmyname (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 726 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. The Pharmacist (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (31) 2067 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. Hhampuz (Trust: +62 / =2 / -0) (1201 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Kryptowerk (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 410 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. krogothmanhattan (Trust: +59 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 1198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. OneNattyLitecoin (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. bluefirecorp_ (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 2453 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. anonymousminer (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 479 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

DaveF Distrusts:
1. ~wizkid057 (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~BADecker (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (113 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~ridery99 (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~B1tUnl0ck3r (Trust: neutral) (17 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~game-protect (Trust: #  +0 / =2 / -30) (6 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. ~Bitcoin SV (Trust: #  +0 / =1 / -5) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. ~Rikafip (Trust: awaiting update) (7 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

DaveF is Trusted by:
1. wknight (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Ntrain2k (Trust: +6 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. buckrogers (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 46 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. BitcoinPenny (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (511 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. fullzero (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. BitcoinNewsMagazine (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (112 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. javierfjavier (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. zyzzyva (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. dagarair (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (98 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. anonymousminer (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 479 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~DaveF is Distrusted by:
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