Gambling Money is Dirty Money

[avikz]

This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). ^[1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. ^[2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

I understand it's your personal view and I respect that fact! However, we all are individuals and our thought processes are different. We all grew up with different opinions around us and when we attained a certain age, we started seeing the world as per our own views and opinions. I too grew up in a very conservative family where gambling is seen as negative thing to be involved with! But as per my own views, I see gambling as just another business! A lot of people don't like Alcohol or Tobacco business but these businesses are one of the highest tax paying businesses! So every thing has its own pros and cons. It's up to us to decide for ourselves whether we want to involve with it or not!

I don't consider your view as an old-fashioned one! But neither I consider gambling as an evil business! It's just another legal form of business which provide employment to a lot of people. I had actually done some research on the positive effects of gambling business on the economy of a country and I would definitely want you to read that,

How gambling can effect the economy of a country [Part 1 - USA]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4308093.0

How gambling can effect the economy of a country [Part 2 - Macau]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4324507.0  

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[audaciousbeing]

This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). ^[1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. ^[2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/

The view is not of your mum alone because it cuts across every spheres of human endeavours and the reason is not far fetched which was what was obtainable in the past as at when they were growing up. People who engage in gambling at the time are seen as social menace who are people that are lazy and decide to see gambling as a quick way to get rich and we have seen people also use the route as a means to launder their ill gotten wealth.

Truth be told, even in today's dispensation, there have been argument and release of "dirty money" finding its way into gambling but its not as profound as its being said because today we have the KYC being applied to gambling whether online or offline where gambling sites are made to comply with.

[jhongzjhong]

I have checked all replies I saw that the majority are saying that the money you have earned in gambling is not dirty money. Literarily yes, that is clean because I don't think gambling money is dirty money, but if gambling is illegal in your country maybe that is dirty. Well, unlike stealing or robbing that is illegal. As long as it is not against the law you can't call it dirty. Unless if you are not playing fair but if it's a fair play or game then, it should be clean money.

[Chrystora123]

One thing we need to know is that gambling is not a sin, in the Bible and the Qur'an it is not written that gambling is a sin.

if it's not a sin why is it prohibited?? it refers to the impact made before or after playing gambling

stealing money to play gambling (stealing is a sin)
committing adultery after winning a gamble (adultery is a sin)
lying to your family for losing gambling (lying is a sin)
kill someone for being offended at the gambling table (killing is a sin)

why a lot of crime related to gambling arises in poor countries because they force themselves to play gambling with a low economy.

personally I think.. as long as you don't steal, don't cheat and hurt people while gambling then the money isn't dirty money and a sin.

[rosezionjohn]

Money can be considered as "dirty" for me if it was acquired thru illegal means or thru cheating/fraud. In the case of gambling, winning fair and square should be "clean" and as long as gambling/betting is done legally.

When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling.

How did this debate ended?  

[Reatim]

If your religious prohibited gambling then everything that comes from this are dirty considerably..just like in Islam in which I believe gambling is a sin(if you are a Muslim you should know this)

Same as in Catholic or some Christian religion when they are saying that Gambling is a sin but they are accepting money came from gambling institutions and donations from gambler itself

One thing we need to know is that gambling is not a sin, in the Bible and the Qur'an it is not written that gambling is a sin.

if it's not a sin why is it prohibited?? it refers to the impact made before or after playing gambling

stealing money to play gambling (stealing is a sin)
committing adultery after winning a gamble (adultery is a sin)
lying to your family for losing gambling (lying is a sin)
kill someone for being offended at the gambling table (killing is a sin)

To make story short if people don’t gamble they may not commit those sin so still gambling is sin.

[iamsheikhadil]

Even though I'm not religious, gambling money is actually not equal to money you have worked hard to earn. You can win $100 easily. But takes a lot of hard work to earn $100. When you work hard to earn that money, you will protect it with love and will use it wisely. However, free money means you will be careless and hence, money earnt from gambling does no good to you as you end up busting it or using it for meaningless purpose. Remember, when you are winning, you are taking someone else's money. It can be the casino owners or of players who are losing. And how can you be happy with a money that results in the loss of money to someone else ?

[dunfida]

Even though I'm not religious, gambling money is actually not equal to money you have worked hard to earn. You can win $100 easily. But takes a lot of hard work to earn $100. When you work hard to earn that money, you will protect it with love and will use it wisely. However, free money means you will be careless and hence, money earnt from gambling does no good to you as you end up busting it or using it for meaningless purpose. Remember, when you are winning, you are taking someone else's money. It can be the casino owners or of players who are losing. And how can you be happy with a money that results in the loss of money to someone else ?

No one does become a saint when it comes to money where everyone wont really care at all anymore as long they would able to gain it
by all means.Im not that kind of harsh person but thats the reality of this world where anyone do cares just to earn no matter what way
or method it is.Gambling money can be considered legal or illegal depending on how did you obtained it but as well know we did risk something
and luckily we won.We cant say not to be happy because you took out others money.How about on asking reversibly? For sure you wont say the same thing.

[leowonderful]

I'm not religious either, nor are any members of my family, though most people in my family are still against gambling, though I still gamble and I don't see anything wrong with it, and as Avikz mentioned, there's actually positive economic benefits that can be indirectly or directly attributed to profits from gambling, though not in all cases. Calling money from gambling 'dirty' is therefore a pretty old-fashioned view on things in my eyes, and the only funds I would really call dirty would be funds obtained through illegal activites such as fraud.

[BabyBoss]

This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). ^[1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. ^[2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?

Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/

Gambling money is dirty because its all from people who only wants to have a instant money.Gamblers are greedy to win in every game. But there are lots in crypto who are rich people to multiply more their wealth because in crypto you can easily get big money depends on the value of the market.

[AmoreJaz]

Even though I'm not religious, gambling money is actually not equal to money you have worked hard to earn. You can win $100 easily. But takes a lot of hard work to earn $100. When you work hard to earn that money, you will protect it with love and will use it wisely. However, free money means you will be careless and hence, money earnt from gambling does no good to you as you end up busting it or using it for meaningless purpose. Remember, when you are winning, you are taking someone else's money. It can be the casino owners or of players who are losing. And how can you be happy with a money that results in the loss of money to someone else ?

No one does become a saint when it comes to money where everyone wont really care at all anymore as long they would able to gain it
by all means.Im not that kind of harsh person but thats the reality of this world where anyone do cares just to earn no matter what way
or method it is.Gambling money can be considered legal or illegal depending on how did you obtained it but as well know we did risk something
and luckily we won.We cant say not to be happy because you took out others money.How about on asking reversibly? For sure you wont say the same thing.

yes, how about the losses that you incurred from playing? the casino or other people dont care about your losses no matter how much.
i think you are being hypocrite with yourself if you are not happy after your winnings.  casino cares about how much they can rip off, they really dont care much about the players' losses.
if they are considering gambling money is dirty money the reason why they cant accept it. i guess because they dont want to be the talk of the town or the subject of gossip. but if people will not know the sources, more then likely they will openly accept that money. money is money, right?

[Yamifoud]

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Gambling money is dirty because its all from people who only wants to have a instant money.Gamblers are greedy to win in every game. But there are lots in crypto who are rich people to multiply more their wealth because in crypto you can easily get big money depends on the value of the market.

In some religious group, we could say gambling is a dirty game and have also they think that money coming from gambling is also dirty.
It all be different from my sees, not actually it become dirty if you never indulge in illegalities happen in gambling. You have earned it hard and play it fairly.

[Hippocrypto]

Gambling won't be dirty if you've played it fairly without doing any cheating, it can only definitely be dirty once you're taking beyond it's advantages. Most gamblers in the real world of physical money, had a mindset that gamblers who initiate huge wins was seriously taking hidden strategies that eventually losses their opponent.

[rodel caling]

Of you include the church of course money from the gambling saying is a dirty because churches teach or preach gambling is sin according from the bible and that is true, but for me depends on how people treat gambling theirs lives if they gambling as for just having I can't seen have an sin playing in gambling specially today a new era of people. So difficult and hard yo discuss between churh and bussiness.

[Natalim]

Gambling is already accepted nowadays, they even expand in the internet which is becoming a billion dollar business.
If people in general sees gambling a bad activity or a dirty money, the gambling industry would not grow.

Sure there are people who ruined their lives because of gambling, but that cannot be blame on gambling because no one forces us to gamble.
What forces us is only ourselves and we let our life ruined by gambling because of our stupidity and our greediness that we convince ourselves to make an easy money in gambling which is the opposite of the reality.

[seoincorporation]

Gambling won't be dirty if you've played it fairly without doing any cheating, it can only definitely be dirty once you're taking beyond it's advantages. Most gamblers in the real world of physical money, had a mindset that gamblers who initiate huge wins was seriously taking hidden strategies that eventually losses their opponent.

Isn't about the way you gamble that money, is about the source of the money used for gambling. Some people use casinos as a way of money laundering, because if you have a big bankroll from a scam or from theft, then you can join to a casino a chase big multipliers with low chance to get them, and each time you hit one of those 'Jackpots' then the money gets justified.

[Janation]

Are we still lingering in this idea until now?

Ok, let's say I am a gambler, a huge gambler and I am earning millions and millions of dollars out of it. If people don't know there are tournaments of poker and the winner are getting millions out of it.

I won that and got the million prize pot, I want to help a charity and they are not accepting it since I am a gambler, how would you feel? I am a gambler but I earn that money not because I am putting all of my money in it every day, I won because I am a talented and skilled gambler that won a tournament, that is a sign  I am one of the best and that is a prize of mine for that.

Doesn't mean I am gambling, it means that is dirty money. It is in the people how will they treat that money since even if that money comes out of gambling, it is still money and it can still do the same thing as the money earned out of working. It will still feed people, it will still help social workers and it will still build a infrastructure that will help people.

[Questat]

Gambling won't be dirty if you've played it fairly without doing any cheating, it can only definitely be dirty once you're taking beyond it's advantages. Most gamblers in the real world of physical money, had a mindset that gamblers who initiate huge wins was seriously taking hidden strategies that eventually losses their opponent.

Isn't about the way you gamble that money, is about the source of the money used for gambling. Some people use casinos as a way of money laundering, because if you have a big bankroll from a scam or from theft, then you can join to a casino a chase big multipliers with low chance to get them, and each time you hit one of those 'Jackpots' then the money gets justified.

That's not dirty anymore since you were able to launder it successfully, that's life, we have different ways to making money, whether illegal or not but it's the government job to get their people and punish. In general, I don't see gambling money a dirty money, like every business or services, there are legal and illegal, so this one, illegal money are dirty money but I don't really care as even the government are corrupt, they also get a lot of dirty money for their personal interest.

[NavI_027]

[snip]

Before anything else, It seems that you came from a family with good family orientation so I wonder what would be their reaction if they find out you're roaming around here in the gambling discussion? They most probably get mad at you, be careful .

Going back to the topic. No doubt that gambling is morally bad but as time goes by it was slowly accepted by our society. Some people prefer to not call it gambling but sort of a form of entertainment . For me money coming from such thing is not a dirty money at all because you can also earn it through hardwork, luck and strategy which is not totally different from the typical kind of labor. Maybe we can say that you're already crossing the borderline if you are playing games that are not government- run or at least legally approved in your country (e.g jueteng, video karera etc.)

[fortunecrypto]

[snip]

Before anything else, It seems that you came from a family with good family orientation so I wonder what would be their reaction if they find out you're roaming around here in the gambling discussion? They most probably get mad at you, be careful .

Going back to the topic. No doubt that gambling is morally bad but as time goes by it was slowly accepted by our society. Some people prefer to not call it gambling but sort of a form of entertainment . For me money coming from such thing is not a dirty money at all because you can also earn it through hardwork, luck and strategy which is not totally different from the typical kind of labor. Maybe we can say that you're already crossing the borderline if you are playing games that are not government- run or at least legally approved in your country (e.g jueteng, video karera etc.)

Yes, I agree time is changing and government and people should be practical but of course I do not disagree if the government is run by a religious belief then he should impose it, I agree that gambling has a new name now which is entertainment and big casinos should be for rich people who can afford to throw money.