Bumping changes on some boards

[Timelord2067]

According to the OP, only the merits that have been earned during the past year are considered.

I stand corrected...

And According to what is shown on Loyce.club, eddie13 has earned 521 merits in the past year however eddie13 is still much more powerful than Timelord2067.

Merits come and go ...

[eddie13]

Gosh

Heh, lets not get into all that, but I have probably missed atleast a couple activity cycles in the last year so I doubt I have max bump power due to the 364 cap of merit or activity in the last year, whichever is lesser..

But you are right.. I got bored of it, especially them only lasting 3 day, now that I have that in mind, I have less incentive to go bumping stuff..

[CryptoBaron_]

I feel with this decision you are going to be turning people away from BitcoinTalk, at least consider a bump option for an activity level every few days etc as "no Merit = no bump" is a bit to unfair.

[LoyceV]

I can't say this seems very fair to smaller coin devs trying to get their project noticed.

There are thousands of those, and almost all of them will struggle with the same problem. The old system, in which spam threads won, wasn't fair either.

I agree the hundred of newbie comments can be very annoying for people and to an extent it is a good idea in preventing this but it all seems to be more biased towards those that have been here a lot longer than those even here a year or two.

The Merit system was created in January last year. Being around longer doesn't necessarily mean earning more Merit: many old users barely earned any Merit, and some much newer users earned a lot.

and deciding to look at a random topic

I took a look at your topic, and it looks exactly the same as thousands of other shitcoins.

at least consider a bump option for an activity level every few days etc as "no Merit = no bump" is a bit to unfair.

The problem with Activity level is that account farmers can and will farm thousands of accounts to do this.
A paid bump option could actually work: the forum knows the current bump score of each topic. Based on that, it could offer a certain price to instantly reach a certain bump score and thus a certain position on the board. After that, the normal bump decay would apply again.
Maybe $10 to be on top and a bit less to be half-way the first page? If the forum offers a paid option, it could take business away from commercial bumping services.

[suchmoon]

A paid bump option could actually work: the forum knows the current bump score of each topic. Based on that, it could offer a certain price to instantly reach a certain bump score and thus a certain position on the board. After that, the normal bump decay would apply again.
Maybe $10 to be on top and a bit less to be half-way the first page? If the forum offers a paid option, it could take business away from commercial bumping services.

I don't think that would work - how would you deal with multiple threads requesting a bump to the top?

If there's a commercial option I would prefer a separate page for it and a bid process to get one of 20 (or 50, or 100) spots on it guaranteed for e.g. 24h, randomized with each load perhaps - somewhat like the current forum ad banner. But given theymos allergy to ICOs it's unlikely that he would want to make money off that.

[LoyceV]

I don't think that would work - how would you deal with multiple threads requesting a bump to the top?

They'll have to compete with each other for the first place.

If there's a commercial option I would prefer a separate page for it and a bid process to get one of 20 (or 50, or 100) spots on it guaranteed for e.g. 24h, randomized with each load perhaps - somewhat like the current forum ad banner. But given theymos allergy to ICOs it's unlikely that he would want to make money off that.

I've suggested before to sell "sticky" spots, but indeed, I don't think it's very likely to be implemented.

[bill gator]

A welcome change. Thank you for your continued effort, Theymos and staff. I assume there will need to be some tweaking, because I just see too many moving parts for a "bump" system.

[suchmoon]

I don't think that would work - how would you deal with multiple threads requesting a bump to the top?

They'll have to compete with each other for the first place.

So you're selling me the top spot, unless you also sold the top spot to someone else, in which case I'm getting maybe 2nd, 3rd, or 57th spot?

Scam

Maybe selling a fixed amount of bump "points" would be more fair (shittier threads would need to pay more to get to the front page) but that's awfully close to selling merits...

[examplens]

one suggestion regarding bump respectively to spam bump.
Is it possible to implement a ban or automatic deletion thread where is a lot number of posts deleted by the moderator because of spam?
For example thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185523.msg52484428#msg52484428, where I have more than 100 spam post reported and all of them, are deleted by a moderator. Usually "good project", "amazing project" etc... There is no one single constructive post until now.
Also, a new way of spam is a lot of Newbie or bot accounts posting useless discussion and OP "answering" or thank for the support. It is a fake conversation which produces useless posts. I follow a few these threads and 100% of my reported posts from there is deleted. Either 99% of posts in thread deleted because of spam.
So I spend my time to report (I'm not complaining), moderator spends his time to review my reports and all the work because of the obvious spam. I think it is not necessary to emphasize all of these threads is possible to find in scam accusation section.

[stompix]

one suggestion regarding bump respectively to spam bump.
Is it possible to implement a ban or automatic deletion thread where is a lot number of posts deleted by the moderator because of spam?

If anything automatic would be implemented it will lead to abuse.
I could create 100 accounts, post "great project" in a topic I dislike and then with my usual account report them and see the topic trashed. Probably something with a bit more knowledge would be able to automate all of this and maybe delete 10-20 topics a day maybe we're going to see even genuine topics ending in the trashcan.

Let's assume there is a topic with some shitcoin that has a few bounty hunters not happy with their treasure trove, they could do this and I'm willing to bet that 99.9% of the people in meta are not going to believe the OP is innocent and he didn't buy the bumps himself.

[pooya87]

Non-publicity of data

how about just a "bump counter"?
(i didn't see anybody suggesting this) it would be interesting to have this field on each topic and the new row added called "bumps" in the list of topics to both show the counter and give the ability to sort them with their total bumps.


i (super) bumped something yesterday for the first time and it has been staying on top for two days, i was very curious to know how many bumps that topic is receiving.

[JollyGood]

Non-publicity of data

how about just a "bump counter"?
(i didn't see anybody suggesting this) it would be interesting to have this field on each topic and the new row added called "bumps" in the list of topics to both show the counter and give the ability to sort them with their total bumps.


i (super) bumped something yesterday for the first time and it has been staying on top for two days, i was very curious to know how many bumps that topic is receiving.

That is a great idea.

It would be partially transparent because it would show the number of pumps but not show the people who pumped the thread. Maybe a clickable counter which would then open a page to show the number of pumps alongside the name of the user and date/time would be good.

[examplens]

That is a great idea.

It would be partially transparent because it would show the number of pumps but not show the people who pumped the thread. Maybe a clickable counter which would then open a page to show the number of pumps alongside the name of the user and date/time would be good.

Showing name of the users who's bump thread gives you the option to prove your bump, which is a great opportunity for paid bump industry and that nullifies the purpose of this improvement.

[JollyGood]

That is a great idea.

It would be partially transparent because it would show the number of pumps but not show the people who pumped the thread. Maybe a clickable counter which would then open a page to show the number of pumps alongside the name of the user and date/time would be good.

Showing name of the users who's bump thread gives you the option to prove your bump, which is a great opportunity for paid bump industry and that nullifies the purpose of this improvement.

Yes I suppose that is a downside to it but how does anybody get any transparency? If somebody is a paid bumper it will be seen and therefore action should be taken such as 'x' bumps per month or something else.

[hosseinimr93]

If somebody is a paid bumper it will be seen and therefore action should be taken such as 'x' bumps per month or something else.

It's not easy to prove that the user has been paid for bumping. The user can claim that he is interested in the topic very much and has the right to bump any topic.
Also, if someone is really interested in a topic might not bump that regularly to not be accused.
It will be same as merit system, It is not easy to prove that a post has been really helpful to someone or there is another reason behind that.

[morvillz7z]

Wait until all the scammy projects figure out that they should be paying for super-bumps and bumping power and not newbie accounts with fake conversations.

In a sense, the new change will completely anonymize the bumping services/industry.

Look at Nyancat thread in Tokens section, they have 60 pages of absolute nonsense, posts made exclusively by shill accounts with 0 to 2 merits. That thread is being top 5 for the past week throughout the entire day. I don't see anyone interested in that garbage outside the shill accounts. I guess it's a good thing we don't know which accounts are making it stay on top.

[suchmoon]

Look at Nyancat thread in Tokens section, they have 60 pages of absolute nonsense, posts made exclusively by shill accounts with 0 to 2 merits. That thread is being top 5 for the past week throughout the entire day. I don't see anyone interested in that garbage outside the shill accounts. I guess it's a good thing we don't know which accounts are making it stay on top.

To be fair, the Tokens board has so little bump power that zero-score threads start about halfway down the front page (sorted by last post). So apparently no one is interested in any of those shit tokens.

[morvillz7z]

To be fair, the Tokens board has so little bump power that zero-score threads start about halfway down the front page (sorted by last post). So apparently no one is interested in any of those shit tokens.

Yeah, you are right but still...they have someone bumping it otherwise it should have plunged at least to the bottom of the 1st page. But it's constantly being on top, 24hrs a day, and it's annoying.

[Timelord2067]

To be fair, the Tokens board has so little bump power that zero-score threads start about halfway down the front page (sorted by last post). So apparently no one is interested in any of those shit tokens.

Yeah, you are right but still...they have someone bumping it otherwise it should have plunged at least to the bottom of the 1st page. But it's constantly being on top, 24hrs a day, and it's annoying.

The whole point of the Crypto revolution is to mine your own coins and use them in various markets, not to buy pre-mined tokens - that's what governments do - mint money.  Little wonder Tokens are so on the nose just about no one is prepared to waste bumps on them.

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