Bumping changes on some boards

[LoyceV]

Is this allowed?

It's very close to a 30 day ban:

Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned. Existing threads will be locked.

Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.

They could argue they only pay for substantial posts, but that's not very likely on the Altcoin boards.

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[TheBeardedBaby]

Seems that the marked for red trusted accounts is also wakening up. What else you can do with tagged high ranked accounts? Often those have earned some merit, and can be used for a bumping and make more bumping accounts if there is still smerit left. If you get an army of 30 accounts you can bump a thread once every day.

[Timelord2067]

Seems that the marked for red trusted accounts is also wakening up. What else you can do with tagged high ranked accounts? Often those have earned some merit, and can be used for a bumping and make more bumping accounts if there is still smerit left. If you get an army of 30 accounts you can bump a thread once every day.

user Operatr was one of a dozen or so red trust UID's that were bought by txbtc (come to think of it, it might have been other way around) to "promote" something or other... perhaps now would be a good time for one of you good folks on the DT to spread some love and see if they've been abusing their merits?

[Chikito]

There's long been a problem of spammy bumping being used to keep topics near the top, but lately, it's become unbearable. Therefore, on these boards, bumping has changed:
 - Service Announcements
 - Announcements (Altcoins)
 - Tokens (Altcoins)
 - Bounties (Altcoins)

I have suggested Administrator to adding some board
- digital goods
- invites & account , And
- Service
Because of those boards has a lot of spamming bumps, Member always against Rules No.13 and 21.

When Member can't delete old bump, he makes a new bump, and make a new one as a counted post.
I did a lot of thousand good reported for those board. I won't take a break a while.

Like today, I catch it 50 reports undeleted bump:
- http://archive.is/FAFbs
- http://archive.is/eBWG3
- http://archive.is/Whfmy
- http://archive.is/lSOiO
- http://archive.is/O655k
- http://archive.is/rgmC0
- http://archive.is/VliGo
- http://archive.is/d7cSS
- http://archive.is/msuYq
[seems all good, deleted all by moderator today]

[Hunterqr]

It feels a bit backwards that my most recently super-bumped thread gets the least bump power. Maybe I just need to get used to it.

If I got the formula right:

First super bump ~364 "points"
Second ~309
Third ~263
Fourth ~224
etc

Fiveth ~ 185
Sixth ~ 146

Thanks Sir

[JollyGood]

It's not easy to prove that the user has been paid for bumping. The user can claim that he is interested in the topic very much and has the right to bump any topic.
Also, if someone is really interested in a topic might not bump that regularly to not be accused.
It will be same as merit system, It is not easy to prove that a post has been really helpful to someone or there is another reason behind that.

If that is the situation then what is the solution? As long as any system exists there will always be those wanting to find a way to make it work for their own agenda.

Look at users flooding this forum with "cryptotalk.org" signatures, the majority as posting pathetic nonsensical messages just to increase post count. One particular new exchange owner has removed his signature promoting his exchange and replacing it with "cryptotalk.org" because somehow he is happy to receive his payput from the posts than promote his exchange. It cannot get more ridiculous than that.

When people see a system, determined ones will try to find a way to get past it. So far parts of this bumping is great because low level posts (like from the sock-puppets flooding coinsbit/p2pb2b scammers) are being made but the threads are not being pushed up in the listings pages and are floating around pages 4 and 5 so their sock-puppets are having no effect but a simple bump from a purchased account or paid service would change that.

[LoyceV]

I have suggested Administrator to adding some board
- digital goods
- invites & account , And
- Service

I have another suggestion for those boards: scammers have been using locked sales-threads (with either "auto buy" links or Telegram names) for a long time now. I'd like to see the bump score reduced to zero the moment a thread gets locked.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

It's not easy to prove that the user has been paid for bumping. The user can claim that he is interested in the topic very much and has the right to bump any topic.
Also, if someone is really interested in a topic might not bump that regularly to not be accused.
It will be same as merit system, It is not easy to prove that a post has been really helpful to someone or there is another reason behind that.

If you have seen paid bumping services before, then you will agree with me that it's actually so easy to spot them once you come across any in a thread.
Their posting style with different accounts is simillar and the accounts tend to be activate and inactive at specific times.
The accounts also usually comment on only specific threads

[hosseinimr93]

If that is the situation then what is the solution? As long as any system exists there will always be those wanting to find a way to make it work for their own agenda.

I agree that there always some people abusing the system as well as there are many people abusing merit system. But I think Making the bumpers list public will cause the situation to be worse. In that case, I expect the number of bumpers to increase.

Look at users flooding this forum with "cryptotalk.org" signatures, the majority as posting pathetic nonsensical messages just to increase post count. One particular new exchange owner has removed his signature promoting his exchange and replacing it with "cryptotalk.org" because somehow he is happy to receive his payput from the posts than promote his exchange. It cannot get more ridiculous than that.

This is exactly why I am not in favor of publicity of bumpers list.
Crpytotalk signature campaign participants are spamming the forum to get paid. If the bumpers list becomes public, I guess some bumping campaigns appear too. Now, all merits data are public. I have seen some users that receive 100% of their merits from 1-2 certain accounts. I have seen a few legendary members that has not received any merit, but send all their smerits (Those that were distributed when the new merit system was introduced) to a certain member. But it's not easy to prove abusing merit system. There will be a same story for bumping abusers too.
Now, I think the best thing can do is what Theymos is doing. It's better if the list of bumpers is not public.

If you have seen paid bumping services before, then you will agree with me that it's actually so easy to spot them once you come across any in a thread.
Their posting style with different accounts is simillar and the accounts tend to be activate and inactive at specific times.
The accounts also usually comment on only specific threads

The main concern is super bumpers. Those who mini-bump the topics are no longer very effective. Also, they have zero effect if they have made a post in that thread in the past 7 days or they are newbie.

[JollyGood]

If that is the situation then what is the solution? As long as any system exists there will always be those wanting to find a way to make it work for their own agenda.

I agree that there always some people abusing the system as well as there are many people abusing merit system. But I think Making the bumpers list public will cause the situation to be worse. In that case, I expect the number of bumpers to increase.

Look at users flooding this forum with "cryptotalk.org" signatures, the majority as posting pathetic nonsensical messages just to increase post count. One particular new exchange owner has removed his signature promoting his exchange and replacing it with "cryptotalk.org" because somehow he is happy to receive his payput from the posts than promote his exchange. It cannot get more ridiculous than that.

This is exactly why I am not in favor of publicity of bumpers list.
Crpytotalk signature campaign participants are spamming the forum to get paid. If the bumpers list becomes public, I guess some bumping campaigns appear too. Now, all merits data are public. I have seen some users that receive 100% of their merits from 1-2 certain accounts. I have seen a few legendary members that has not received any merit, but send all their smerits (Those that were distributed when the new merit system was introduced) to a certain member. But it's not easy to prove abusing merit system. There will be a same story for bumping abusers too.
Now, I think the best thing can do is what Theymos is doing. It's better if the list of bumpers is not public.

If you have seen paid bumping services before, then you will agree with me that it's actually so easy to spot them once you come across any in a thread.
Their posting style with different accounts is simillar and the accounts tend to be activate and inactive at specific times.
The accounts also usually comment on only specific threads

The main concern is super bumpers. Those who mini-bump the topics are no longer very effective. Also, they have zero effect if they have made a post in that thread in the past 7 days or they are newbie.

When you put it like that I suppose you are right, making a list of bumpers would have negative consequences that outweigh any possible positive ones.

I never realised to which extent merit abuse took (or is taking place) as I did not look in to it but going by what you wrote that too was an issue when it first started.

[nutildah]

It would appear almost nobody has caught on to the new bump feature, or else their bumps are not very powerful. I bumped all of the following non-bolded threads within the span of about half an hour. Commenting on them secures their position on the top.



Eventually people will catch on, as I think market forces will dictate that people learn the system to continue promoting their projects. But until then, good. Let people be confused and have to learn the new system. Really the ANN should be listed on a project website or other social media, and then people find it that way.

I've been following the progress of ANNs that hired Vitor Services to bump their threads. Some have stopped participating but some are still paying these schmucks to leave pointless comments in their threads, probably unaware that they aren't doing jack except for cluttering their thread with spam.

[suchmoon]

It would appear almost nobody has caught on to the new bump feature, or else their bumps are not very powerful.

Most people who know about superbumps have probably wasted them early in September. I know I did. Waiting for the "replenishment" in a few days.

Posting in altcoin threads is tricky now. The ones that I'd like to bump - I don't have much to say about them that hasn't been already said so I would sound like a spammer. The ones that I'd like to criticize - I don't want to bump them.

[DireWolfM14]

Posting in altcoin threads is tricky now. The ones that I'd like to bump - I don't have much to say about them that hasn't been already said so I would sound like a spammer. The ones that I'd like to criticize - I don't want to bump them.

I think criticizing them is valid and even though you have significant bumping power your post provides the thread with only the minimum bumping power the you can generate.  Also, I don't see anything wrong with bumping a thread that you feel needs to be criticized, it'll give exposure to the fact that you feel it's a shady project.  Just my opinion.

[suchmoon]

I think criticizing them is valid and even though you have significant bumping power your post provides the thread with only the minimum bumping power the you can generate.  Also, I don't see anything wrong with bumping a thread that you feel needs to be criticized, it'll give exposure to the fact that you feel it's a shady project.  Just my opinion.

I don't know if that's really a good thing. The thread is going to be on the front page of the board for a day or so, and presumably get a slight boost in Google rankings, with my comment buried somewhere on page 400.

The other thing that I can't quite get my head around is how the weekly post window works. If I post on the thread every day then according to the formula in the OP:

If you haven't posted in a topic in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.

it would seem that only the first post will bump it, since every subsequent post that is still in the 36-hour window will have up to 6 previous posts in the 7-day window... so no bump?

[hosseinimr93]

it would seem that only the first post will bump it, since every subsequent post that is still in the 36-hour window will have up to 6 previous posts in the 7-day window... so no bump?

According to What Theymos has said, if you post in a thread every day, 36 hours after your first post, your contribution in thread's bump score becomes zero and will be zero forever.

Here is an example.
GeoCoin is now in page 5 of "Announcements (Altcoins)" board. So its bump score is zero however weifa has posted in that thread today. This user has earned 21 merits in the past 365 days. But his contribution in thread's bump score is zero. Because he has made another post on that thread three days ago.

[DireWolfM14]

The other thing that I can't quite get my head around is how the weekly post window works. If I post on the thread every day then according to the formula in the OP:

If you haven't posted in a topic in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.

it would seem that only the first post will bump it, since every subsequent post that is still in the 36-hour window will have up to 6 previous posts in the 7-day window... so no bump?

That's the way I interpret it, so if you really don't want to bump the thread you can still feel comfortable posting in it without affecting it's bump score for 7 days.  Deleting your post and posting again won't add anything to the threads bump score.  Since posts are always fixed at 1% of base bumping power it wouldn't help to wait until you've used up your bumping quota for the month. 

[suchmoon]

I'm probably missing something obvious but this seems to penalize genuinely active projects quite severely. Only some occasional/accidental posters (who post more than 7 days apart in the same thread) will ever be able to mini-bump the thread, is that what this is? Anybody who posts regularly (less than 7 days apart) would never bump it. Intuitively I would expect the minibump to work again once the previous minibump has fallen off the 7-day window, even if there are other posts in between.

[LoyceV]

I'm probably missing something obvious but this seems to penalize genuinely active projects quite severely.

I would expect the users who post in that topic to also click the "bump" button once in a while, which has much more power than posting anyway.

[hosseinimr93]

@suchmoon
I just sorted "Reputation" section by bump score.
LoyceV has made a post in this thread. The thread has been bumped to 12th place, however there is another post by LoyceV on Sep 30.

If you want to test the function, you can test that in non-targeted sections more easily. Because super bump is not available in them.

[suchmoon]

I would expect the users who post in that topic to also click the "bump" button once in a while, which has much more power than posting anyway.

Only if you use it less than ~700 times a month

@suchmoon
I just sorted "Reputation" section by bump score.
LoyceV has made a post in this thread. The thread has been bumped to 12th place, however there is another post by LoyceV on Sep 30.

If you want to test the function, you can test that in non-targeted sections more easily. Because super bump is not available in them.

Interesting. It does appear to work the way I would have expected it to work and not quite as described in the OP. Good point about non-targeted boards. I'll play around with it.