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December 07, 2019, 07:14:25 AM
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Hey guys, I found one more person that confirmed they received a subpoena along with a letter before October 31.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ukraine-clearinghouse-2019.10.22.WH-letter-to-Cooper.pdf
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December 07, 2019, 08:09:13 AM
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that subpoena was never valid as evidenced by this reply.
No, all that they had was a bunch of "opinion" which is meaningless.

Of the only court case they tried to use, the ruling was because of the scope of congresses request and the court implied if they had narrowed it, they might have had a better case and won. As a result of stepping outside the bounds of what they were permitted, the Court decided that they violated the constitution in terms of free speech and press. This impeachment is a completely different beast and nothing about that case is applicable.

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December 09, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
Last edit: December 09, 2019, 02:44:23 PM by TECSHARE
 #603

Hey guys, I found one more person that confirmed they received a subpoena along with a letter before October 31.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ukraine-clearinghouse-2019.10.22.WH-letter-to-Cooper.pdf


Congratulations, you found more people talking about subpoenas.


that subpoena was never valid as evidenced by this reply.
No, all that they had was a bunch of "opinion" which is meaningless.

Of the only court case they tried to use, the ruling was because of the scope of congresses request and the court implied if they had narrowed it, they might have had a better case and won. As a result of stepping outside the bounds of what they were permitted, the Court decided that they violated the constitution in terms of free speech and press. This impeachment is a completely different beast and nothing about that case is applicable.

No, its called "law" upon which all of your claims are dependent. What you have are opinions. None of those subpoenas were valid or enforceable. This whole issue of ambiguity was the entire intent for issuing them as I explained from the start. It was designed to give the impression of moving forward with impeachment while not actually doing so and giving the executive and the Republican party the authority to subpoena their own evidence and witnesses which would destroy the dems. Even after the vote here they are running a one sided sham excuse for due process.


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December 16, 2019, 02:09:28 PM
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"“Much More to Come” – Giuliani Says Impeachment is Intended to Obstruct Investigations of Obama-Era Corruption – ‘Billions of Dollars Laundered, Extortion and Bribery’ "

http://www.stationgossip.com/2019/12/much-more-to-come-giuliani-says.html


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December 17, 2019, 03:58:40 PM
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"“Much More to Come” – Giuliani Says Impeachment is Intended to Obstruct Investigations of Obama-Era Corruption – ‘Billions of Dollars Laundered, Extortion and Bribery’ "

http://www.stationgossip.com/2019/12/much-more-to-come-giuliani-says.html

I understand all of that but wonder how the Dems do not see how this all will backfire on them.

Sorry, I forgot...

Yes they really are that stupid...
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December 17, 2019, 09:50:36 PM
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Looks like Killery made an oopsey...

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2019/11/18/this-is-why-they-must-impeach-burisma-financed-clinton-campaign-with-10m-unmarked-cash-biden-personally-prevented-money-laundering-witness-from-entering-usa/


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December 17, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
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"“Much More to Come” – Giuliani Says Impeachment is Intended to Obstruct Investigations of Obama-Era Corruption – ‘Billions of Dollars Laundered, Extortion and Bribery’ "

http://www.stationgossip.com/2019/12/much-more-to-come-giuliani-says.html

I understand all of that but wonder how the Dems do not see how this all will backfire on them.

Sorry, I forgot...

Yes they really are that stupid...

The only way this could back-fire on them if the MSM started to report real news.  That's not going to happen, since they are also culpable as accomplices in the corruption that has plagued our country.

Think about all the blatant lies you heard during the impeachment inquiry.  Democrats can misinterpret and misquote Trump, and no one will correct them.  No one will hold them accountable for spreading falsehoods.

Imagine if a Republican misquoted one word of an Obama statement.  The 24-hour news cycle would have a field day running it over and over on just about every cable news station, in an effort to discredit and completely delegitimize that persons entire existence. 

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December 17, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
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The only way this could back-fire on them if the MSM started to report real news.  That's not going to happen, since they are also culpable as accomplices in the corruption that has plagued our country.

Think about all the blatant lies you heard during the impeachment inquiry.  Democrats can misinterpret and misquote Trump, and no one will correct them.  No one will hold them accountable for spreading falsehoods.

Imagine if a Republican misquoted one word of an Obama statement.  The 24-hour news cycle would have a field day running it over and over on just about every cable news station, in an effort to discredit and completely delegitimize that persons entire existence. 

It doesn't matter. The media will have to report on it once the indictments start coming out.


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December 18, 2019, 03:32:20 PM
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Sure, they'll report the indictments, but how they report them is equally important.  They'll give the reports a few seconds of air time, dance around some facts, completely omit others, and word their reports in such a way that makes it seem like political infighting.  They'll use every trick in the book to convince their already biased base that Trump is abusing his power yet again. 

An impeachable offence?  Of course it is.  Anytime this president attempts to accomplish his mission of draining the swamp, the swamp recruits the media to spread their lies and undermine his efforts.  Why should the swamp-rats get their hands dirty when the media is more than eager to do all the dirty work?

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Well no wonder Pelosi is fighting so hard. Her son is in the same pickle if Biden loses.


Luongo: Pelosi's Coup Attempt Is Now Open Warfare, "There Will Be Casualties"



The Democrats declared war this week. Not on Donald Trump but on the United States and the Constitution.

What started as a coup to overturn the 2016 election has now morphed into a Civil War as Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Fran-feces) presided over the passage of a bill which creates a clear Constitutional Crisis.

And that means we have multiple factions vying for control of our government, the definition of a Civil War.

In passing these articles of impeachment against President Trump Congress has arrogated to itself powers it does not have.

The first article asserts a motive to Trump's actions to invalidate his role as chief law enforcement officer for the country. It doesn't matter if you like him or any President having this power, he does have it.




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Well no wonder Pelosi is fighting so hard. Her son is in the same pickle if Biden loses.


Luongo: Pelosi's Coup Attempt Is Now Open Warfare, "There Will Be Casualties"



The Democrats declared war this week. Not on Donald Trump but on the United States and the Constitution.

What started as a coup to overturn the 2016 election has now morphed into a Civil War ...

nonsense. There's nothing more constitutional than impeachment.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-accused-156m-ukraine-money-laundering-scheme-court-filing-linking-debunked


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"Trump Exposes Pelosi And Son's Ties To Ukraine-Linked Energy Group"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-exposes-pelosi-and-sons-ties-ukraine-linked-energy-group


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"Trump Exposes Pelosi And Son's Ties To Ukraine-Linked Energy Group"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-exposes-pelosi-and-sons-ties-ukraine-linked-energy-group

This was debunked in October. (Mitt Romney and John Kerry were also accused of having sons working for Ukrainian energy companies around the same time, also debunked)
Pretty lame how zerohedge is making it seem like this is some sort of breaking news. It's just Trump giving new life to old fake news.

I realize snopes and politifact are both left leaning, but their explanations make sense when you watch the videos that started the whole thing and are generally very well sourced.

ZH has some good content, but that article you posted is trash.  Their conclusion is a cartoon ffs.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-jr-ukraine/
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/oct/10/facebook-posts/pelosi-romney-and-kerry-dont-have-sons-working-com/
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Well no wonder Pelosi is fighting so hard. Her son is in the same pickle if Biden loses.


Luongo: Pelosi's Coup Attempt Is Now Open Warfare, "There Will Be Casualties"



The Democrats declared war this week. Not on Donald Trump but on the United States and the Constitution.

What started as a coup to overturn the 2016 election has now morphed into a Civil War ...

nonsense. There's nothing more constitutional than impeachment.

Absolutely. Impeachment is very constitutional. The point is whether or not the reasons for impeachment are legal and lawful, or even moral and ethical. That's what we have the Supreme Court for. But the pleadings to the SC need to be sufficient to answer the question.

Since Trump isn't entirely in a mode for upsetting the little Democrat folks, he is careful in how he answers them and the Dem leaders. Notice that nobody is taking it to the Supreme Court yet. So, it's all a bunch of political talk so far.

Trump is getting what he wants... a gradual, peaceful, draining of the Swamp. And Dem leaders are helping him through their impeachment process. If they hadn't impeached him, Trump would have seen to it that the Swamp would have been drained, but in other ways. As it is, with the Dem leaders help, this is the way that is more efficient for him to do it.

The Dems knew what was coming way back before the election of 2016, if they lost that election. Same as with the fiat money Ponzi, if they can make their Swamp position last a little longer, they just might be able to figure a way out of their doom. But if they don't figure a way out, their doom will be more painful for them the longer they can extend it.

The poor, Democrats of the country - average little people simply living their lives - often don't realized this. If they saw it clearly, many more of them would switch to Republican. The more that switch, the easier it will be for Trump and the Dem leaders (unwillingly) to drain the Swamp.

As it is, the radical, small Dems around the country are arming themselves this way and that, for a Civil War.

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"Trump Exposes Pelosi And Son's Ties To Ukraine-Linked Energy Group"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-exposes-pelosi-and-sons-ties-ukraine-linked-energy-group

This was debunked in October. (Mitt Romney and John Kerry were also accused of having sons working for Ukrainian energy companies around the same time, also debunked)
Pretty lame how zerohedge is making it seem like this is some sort of breaking news. It's just Trump giving new life to old fake news.

I realize snopes and politifact are both left leaning, but their explanations make sense when you watch the videos that started the whole thing and are generally very well sourced.

ZH has some good content, but that article you posted is trash.  Their conclusion is a cartoon ffs.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-jr-ukraine/
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/oct/10/facebook-posts/pelosi-romney-and-kerry-dont-have-sons-working-com/

Well shit, just stamp "DEBUNKED" on it, and the debate is over right? Man that sure was easy. I noticed you didn't actually bother arguing any of the implications detailed in the link, you just denied it. Lets look at your well known partisan hack "fact checkers".

Nopes: "Because Pelosi Jr. did not work for NRGlab during the time in which the company is alleged to have done business in Ukraine, and because the product allegedly produced by NRGlab in Ukraine does not exist, we rank the claim that “Nancy Pelosi’s son is an executive at a gas company that did business in Ukraine” as “False.”"

You will notice the careful wording here where they claim he didn't work for them specifically during the time they were alleged to have done business in Ukraine as if this some how is exclusive of him being involved before or after. They also make the ridiculous claim that because they deem it unlikely such a device ever existed, he couldn't have possibly been involved as if he couldn't have been involved in a vaporware project.

Politifukt: "Pelosi’s son, Paul, briefly served on the board of an American energy company (Viscoil) before it dissolved in 2010, but there’s no evidence the company had dealings with Ukraine while he held that seat. "

Again, you see the weasel wording crafted in such a way as to claim that because he was not on the board at a specific time he was some how excluded form being involved. This is why Snopes and sites like it are trash, because they just do some semantic gymnastics and claim "DEBUNKED!" giving its readers all the confirmation bias they went there for. If Trump claimed he had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch, they would claim it is false because what he really ate was jam, therefore "DEBUNKED!"


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"Trump Exposes Pelosi And Son's Ties To Ukraine-Linked Energy Group"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-exposes-pelosi-and-sons-ties-ukraine-linked-energy-group

This was debunked in October. (Mitt Romney and John Kerry were also accused of having sons working for Ukrainian energy companies around the same time, also debunked)
Pretty lame how zerohedge is making it seem like this is some sort of breaking news. It's just Trump giving new life to old fake news.

I realize snopes and politifact are both left leaning, but their explanations make sense when you watch the videos that started the whole thing and are generally very well sourced.

ZH has some good content, but that article you posted is trash.  Their conclusion is a cartoon ffs.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-jr-ukraine/
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/oct/10/facebook-posts/pelosi-romney-and-kerry-dont-have-sons-working-com/

Well shit, just stamp "DEBUNKED" on it, and the debate is over right? Man that sure was easy. I noticed you didn't actually bother arguing any of the implications detailed in the link, you just denied it. Lets look at your well known partisan hack "fact checkers".

Nopes: "Because Pelosi Jr. did not work for NRGlab during the time in which the company is alleged to have done business in Ukraine, and because the product allegedly produced by NRGlab in Ukraine does not exist, we rank the claim that “Nancy Pelosi’s son is an executive at a gas company that did business in Ukraine” as “False.”"

You will notice the careful wording here where they claim he didn't work for them specifically during the time they were alleged to have done business in Ukraine as if this some how is exclusive of him being involved before or after. They also make the ridiculous claim that because they deem it unlikely such a device ever existed, he couldn't have possibly been involved as if he couldn't have been involved in a vaporware project.

Politifukt: "Pelosi’s son, Paul, briefly served on the board of an American energy company (Viscoil) before it dissolved in 2010, but there’s no evidence the company had dealings with Ukraine while he held that seat. "

Again, you see the weasel wording crafted in such a way as to claim that because he was not on the board at a specific time he was some how excluded form being involved. This is why Snopes and sites like it are trash, because they just do some semantic gymnastics and claim "DEBUNKED!" giving its readers all the confirmation bias they went there for. If Trump claimed he had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch, they would claim it is false because what he really ate was jam, therefore "DEBUNKED!"

Mid October: Bunch of rumors circulate that Pelosi, Kerry and Romney all had sons working for Ukrainian Energy Companies, just like Biden, by the pizza-gate qanon folks.  One of their smoking guns was a video of one of the sons talking about doing a soccer camp in Ukraine.

Late December: Trump retweets this and ads "Wow Crazy Nancy, what’s going on? This is big stuff!"

Within 24 hours Zerohedge has "Trump Exposes Pelosi And Son's Ties To Ukraine-Linked Energy Group" as a headline for a 5 sentence article that leads by quoting Trump saying Pelosi hates anyone who votes for Republicans.

I'm putting more effort into this post, and the same goes for TEC and duped in the two posts above than Duden put into that ZH 'article'.  It was obviously successful though.

I have to say I was impressed they decided to put the "there is no allegations of wrongdoing in the Pelosi case" disclaimer in the article, even though it's pretty well hidden.
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^^^ Let me get this straight. Biden blackmailed the Ukraine with a billion in tax dollars to drop an investigation into his son, and Democrats impeached Trump simply for asking if it was true?

You joker Dems are a bunch of slimy pieces of vilest corruption.


Giuliani Says Ukraine Corruption Came From 'Highest Levels Of Obama Administration'



Rudy Giuliani is not only willing to testify in President Trump's Senate impeachment trial, he wants to "do demonstrations" in order to outline what he described as a "series of criminal acts" involving "the highest levels of the Obama administration," adding that Democrats Adam Schiff and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will go down in history like Joe McCarthy when people "calm down and watch this carefully."

"What I learned is the corruption in Ukraine is vast, it's extensive, it highly involves the Democratic party - not just in 2016 but for many years," the former New York City mayor said at Trump's New Year's Eve party at Mar-a-Lago in Florida.

"When the full scope of what happens in Ukraine comes out, there are going to be a lot of Americans who participated in the corruption," adding "The Bidens took millions of dollars laundered out of Ukraine, and the only reason they're getting away with it is because you and the press protect them..."


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Mid October: Bunch of rumors circulate that Pelosi, Kerry and Romney all had sons working for Ukrainian Energy Companies, just like Biden, by the pizza-gate qanon folks.  One of their smoking guns was a video of one of the sons talking about doing a soccer camp in Ukraine.

Late December: Trump retweets this and ads "Wow Crazy Nancy, what’s going on? This is big stuff!"

Within 24 hours Zerohedge has "Trump Exposes Pelosi And Son's Ties To Ukraine-Linked Energy Group" as a headline for a 5 sentence article that leads by quoting Trump saying Pelosi hates anyone who votes for Republicans.

I'm putting more effort into this post, and the same goes for TEC and duped in the two posts above than Duden put into that ZH 'article'.  It was obviously successful though.

I have to say I was impressed they decided to put the "there is no allegations of wrongdoing in the Pelosi case" disclaimer in the article, even though it's pretty well hidden.

http://nrglab.asia/aboutus.html

"The company’s additional projects include a strategic partnership and investment from Viscoil Holdings to recycle waste materials into eco-friendly diesel fuel. NRGLab has obtained an exclusive license for the Viscoil Technology for the South East Asian region for all raw materials."

NRGLab & Viscoil link confirmed.


NRGLab promotional video discussing their product in relation to petroleum distillation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRD7jXgmkcs

https://archive.is/Habo8

NRGLab involved in gas projects in Ukraine confirmed.




Semi-related bonus sources:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/company-cofounded-by-paul-pelosi-jr-charged-with-securities-fraud/
https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/drl/p/previouscalls/264569.htm
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-hunter-biden-group-made-165-million-mp
https://davidharrisjr.com/patrick/fbi-hunts-for-information-on-pelosis-son-as-familys-criminal-business-dealing-allegations-come-under-fire/


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January 02, 2020, 05:38:31 PM
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Mid October: Bunch of rumors circulate that Pelosi, Kerry and Romney all had sons working for Ukrainian Energy Companies, just like Biden, by the pizza-gate qanon folks.  One of their smoking guns was a video of one of the sons talking about doing a soccer camp in Ukraine.

Late December: Trump retweets this and ads "Wow Crazy Nancy, what’s going on? This is big stuff!"

Within 24 hours Zerohedge has "Trump Exposes Pelosi And Son's Ties To Ukraine-Linked Energy Group" as a headline for a 5 sentence article that leads by quoting Trump saying Pelosi hates anyone who votes for Republicans.

I'm putting more effort into this post, and the same goes for TEC and duped in the two posts above than Duden put into that ZH 'article'.  It was obviously successful though.

I have to say I was impressed they decided to put the "there is no allegations of wrongdoing in the Pelosi case" disclaimer in the article, even though it's pretty well hidden.

http://nrglab.asia/aboutus.html

"The company’s additional projects include a strategic partnership and investment from Viscoil Holdings to recycle waste materials into eco-friendly diesel fuel. NRGLab has obtained an exclusive license for the Viscoil Technology for the South East Asian region for all raw materials."

NRGLab & Viscoil link confirmed.


NRGLab promotional video discussing their product in relation to petroleum distillation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRD7jXgmkcs

https://archive.is/Habo8

NRGLab involved in gas projects in Ukraine confirmed.




Semi-related bonus sources:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/company-cofounded-by-paul-pelosi-jr-charged-with-securities-fraud/
https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/drl/p/previouscalls/264569.htm
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-hunter-biden-group-made-165-million-mp
https://davidharrisjr.com/patrick/fbi-hunts-for-information-on-pelosis-son-as-familys-criminal-business-dealing-allegations-come-under-fire/

Yeah.  There's a connection.  So what?

To sum it up: Paul Pelosi served on the board of Viscoil. At one point, a Ukrainian singer is alleged to have promoted the company. But Pelosi was off the board before that happened. That’s the connection people have identified.

How is this big stuff though?  Where is the corruption? And how did Trump uncover it last week?

This does not justify Trump pressuring Ukraine to investigate a political rival by withholding military aid that had already been approved by congress and the DOD.
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