Journey to the Mars,Elon Musk vision!

[Artemis3]

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

In 5 years i don't think so. Perhaps you mean the first humans ever stepping on Mars, and perhaps they could set up a small base, but that is still far away from the plan of moving a million...

How would humans develop and adapt to the lower gravity for long periods? Also living indoors, possibly underground years and decades, rarely ever going out in full space like suits? And what kind of people would want to live there and even pay for the ticket themselves? How would they earn their living there?

No its not impossible, but i don't think it will be that big. Living on Mars won't be too different than living in a space station. And if a serious terraforming project ever starts, it would take centuries to develop.

Remember, Elon's intention is only to provide the transport service, he expects the people that goes there to solve the rest. He is thinking the Railroad conquest of the west era, he wants to build the railroad and operate the trains and stations, nothing more. He doesn't even want to go there himself.

Having the capacity to move a million, is possible, but i doubt the demand would come. What could possibly drive that many humans to move there? Oh and 40 minutes lag, you are not going to like the internet much...

But perhaps that business will finance SpaceX to then build a (proper) Space Station (with artificial gravity, such as O'neil tube or such).

[akram143]

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

In 5 years i don't think so. Perhaps you mean the first humans ever stepping on Mars, and perhaps they could set up a small base, but that is still far away from the plan of moving a million...

How would humans develop and adapt to the lower gravity for long periods? Also living indoors, possibly underground years and decades, rarely ever going out in full space like suits? And what kind of people would want to live there and even pay for the ticket themselves? How would they earn their living there?

No its not impossible, but i don't think it will be that big. Living on Mars won't be too different than living in a space station. And if a serious terraforming project ever starts, it would take centuries to develop.

Remember, Elon's intention is only to provide the transport service, he expects the people that goes there to solve the rest. He is thinking the Railroad conquest of the west era, he wants to build the railroad and operate the trains and stations, nothing more. He doesn't even want to go there himself.

Having the capacity to move a million, is possible, but i doubt the demand would come. What could possibly drive that many humans to move there? Oh and 40 minutes lag, you are not going to like the internet much...

But perhaps that business will finance SpaceX to then build a (proper) Space Station (with artificial gravity, such as O'neil tube or such).

He said first spaceship with humans will land on Mars in 2025 and he will move atleast millions before he leave to mars.

There are people who have tons of money but don't know what to do with that,those kind of people were attracted by Elon Musk because its kind of business to make billions or trillions.

[Renampun]

How would humans develop and adapt to the lower gravity for long periods? Also living indoors, possibly underground years and decades, rarely ever going out in full space like suits? And what kind of people would want to live there and even pay for the ticket themselves? How would they earn their living there?

in fact, your question is only a technical matter,
and surely ELON had thought about it long before he planned a colony on Mars.

Remember, Elon's intention is only to provide the transport service, he expects the people that goes there to solve the rest. He is thinking the Railroad conquest of the west era, he wants to build the railroad and operate the trains and stations, nothing more. He doesn't even want to go there himself.

no, ELON has already tweeted that he really wants to detonate Nuclear Bombs on Mars (the NUKE MARS project)
so, that Mars can become a place to live, you can see it on google about what he plans to make a colony on MARS,
and not just as a human transport service to MARS.

[BADecker]

How would humans develop and adapt to the lower gravity for long periods? Also living indoors, possibly underground years and decades, rarely ever going out in full space like suits? And what kind of people would want to live there and even pay for the ticket themselves? How would they earn their living there?

in fact, your question is only a technical matter,
and surely ELON had thought about it long before he planned a colony on Mars.

Remember, Elon's intention is only to provide the transport service, he expects the people that goes there to solve the rest. He is thinking the Railroad conquest of the west era, he wants to build the railroad and operate the trains and stations, nothing more. He doesn't even want to go there himself.

no, ELON has already tweeted that he really wants to detonate Nuclear Bombs on Mars (the NUKE MARS project)
so, that Mars can become a place to live, you can see it on google about what he plans to make a colony on MARS,
and not just as a human transport service to MARS.

But Musk has a different need for the nukes than he is telling everyone. He is in the process of building this... https://newatlas.com/orion-project-atom-bomb-spaceship/49454/.

[yazher]

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

I don't think so, Have you seen the movie "Marshan"?
In that movie, he was left there alone because his companion thought he was dead after the accident.
with enough knowledge to live on Mars, he still struggling to make himself survive for a few years.

And out of nowhere, they gonna tell us to move 1 Million people to mars? That's insane.
I mean, how they gonna do that? even in my own imagination, I cannot see a hundred people living comfortably there.
also the movie is far from reality, right? so that means he was just dreaming all along.

[Artemis3]

How would humans develop and adapt to the lower gravity for long periods? Also living indoors, possibly underground years and decades, rarely ever going out in full space like suits? And what kind of people would want to live there and even pay for the ticket themselves? How would they earn their living there?

in fact, your question is only a technical matter,
and surely ELON had thought about it long before he planned a colony on Mars.

Remember, Elon's intention is only to provide the transport service, he expects the people that goes there to solve the rest. He is thinking the Railroad conquest of the west era, he wants to build the railroad and operate the trains and stations, nothing more. He doesn't even want to go there himself.

no, ELON has already tweeted that he really wants to detonate Nuclear Bombs on Mars (the NUKE MARS project)
so, that Mars can become a place to live, you can see it on google about what he plans to make a colony on MARS,
and not just as a human transport service to MARS.

The nukes to provoke a nuclear winter and then a greenhouse effect is a very old theory that seems to be dismissed by the current scientific community (as terraforming method). Besides, no one is going to give him the nukes.

The railroad thing was mentioned by himself in one of his conferences, i don't think he wants to get involved in the actual building of colonies or terraforming Mars, beyond "giving ideas" for others to try, just like Hyperloop.

[inanilujimi]

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

how can make civilization on mars ?? if the climate there is very extreme during the day and night.
our earth already has everything that humans need.
for me it was an impossible thing to do.

[akram143]

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

I don't think so, Have you seen the movie "Marshan"?
In that movie, he was left there alone because his companion thought he was dead after the accident.
with enough knowledge to live on Mars, he still struggling to make himself survive for a few years.

And out of nowhere, they gonna tell us to move 1 Million people to mars? That's insane.
I mean, how they gonna do that? even in my own imagination, I cannot see a hundred people living comfortably there.
also the movie is far from reality, right? so that means he was just dreaming all along.

I guess the movie you are mentioning won an oscar right? I did watched it as well but its just the movie,anything can be changed with the technology development that is what his vision about.

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

how can make civilization on mars ?? if the climate there is very extreme during the day and night.
our earth already has everything that humans need.
for me it was an impossible thing to do.

We are living in space where also not possible for human to survive.

[Spendulus]

How would humans develop and adapt to the lower gravity for long periods? Also living indoors, possibly underground years and decades, rarely ever going out in full space like suits? And what kind of people would want to live there and even pay for the ticket themselves? How would they earn their living there?

in fact, your question is only a technical matter,
and surely ELON had thought about it long before he planned a colony on Mars.

Remember, Elon's intention is only to provide the transport service, he expects the people that goes there to solve the rest. He is thinking the Railroad conquest of the west era, he wants to build the railroad and operate the trains and stations, nothing more. He doesn't even want to go there himself.

no, ELON has already tweeted that he really wants to detonate Nuclear Bombs on Mars (the NUKE MARS project)
so, that Mars can become a place to live, you can see it on google about what he plans to make a colony on MARS,
and not just as a human transport service to MARS.

The nukes to provoke a nuclear winter and then a greenhouse effect is a very old theory that seems to be dismissed by the current scientific community (as terraforming method). Besides, no one is going to give him the nukes.

The railroad thing was mentioned by himself in one of his conferences, i don't think he wants to get involved in the actual building of colonies or terraforming Mars, beyond "giving ideas" for others to try, just like Hyperloop.

IIRC you are correct, "nuclear winter" was created by some, including Sagan, as a scare tactic. Would it work on Mars?

No, because there is no magnetic field around Mars, as there is on Earth. And without that, the incoming solar will knock out your attempt at a new atmosphere, as soon as you can build it. But few people know these details.

As PT Barnum is supposed to have said, "There's a new sucker born every minute."

[yazher]

We are living in space where also not possible for human to survive.
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For some reason I believe this kind of statements, You see thousands of years ago we don't have an idea about the existence of microscopic life. we only knew it After they invented the microscope. My point is, maybe after so many years from now, they will be able to invent some technology to use for the people who want to live in mars. we cannot say it's impossible because we see with our own eyes the things that people nowadays can do.

[Spendulus]

....maybe after so many years from now, they will be able to invent some technology to use for the people who want to live in mars. we cannot say it's impossible because we see with our own eyes the things that people nowadays can do.

That's certainly true, but it only points to the huge amount of work in research and technology development that has to be done. And that has to be done here, on Earth, to build the support infrastructure that would be enabling for anything like a colony on Mars, the Moon, or one of the Lagrange points.

[akram143]

....maybe after so many years from now, they will be able to invent some technology to use for the people who want to live in mars. we cannot say it's impossible because we see with our own eyes the things that people nowadays can do.

That's certainly true, but it only points to the huge amount of work in research and technology development that has to be done. And that has to be done here, on Earth, to build the support infrastructure that would be enabling for anything like a colony on Mars, the Moon, or one of the Lagrange points.

I wondered how long the humanity is going to survive in this world,we are hear for many thousand years but in the last 300 years technology development did more harm to the humans than goodness.

[coins4commies]

It will be possible someday but dates like 2025 are absurd.  The technology to move enough resources to mars to start a colony of a million people won't even be available in our lifetimes. We barely have the technology to get there and back alive as visitors.  Its all just a fantasy based excuse for people who don't want to take care of the one planet we have that we are perfectly adapted to live on.

[akram143]

It will be possible someday but dates like 2025 are absurd.  The technology to move enough resources to mars to start a colony of a million people won't even be available in our lifetimes. We barely have the technology to get there and back alive as visitors.  Its all just a fantasy based excuse for people who don't want to take care of the one planet we have that we are perfectly adapted to live on.

So Elon Musk having a vision of achieving an impossible thing? I heard there is another space land in 2020 which is not going to bring any live matter to the Mars so five years enough to make the place as living condition?

[Artemis3]

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

how can make civilization on mars ?? if the climate there is very extreme during the day and night.
our earth already has everything that humans need.
for me it was an impossible thing to do.

Its not impossible, but not necessarily economical or sensical.

What is cheaper? A colony:

Underwater (Earth)
Desert (Earth)
Poles (Artic/Antartic)
Orbit (Earth)
Lagrange points (spots in space where you can park things like rotating colonies/stations)
Orbit from different celestial objects (other planet/satellites)
Moon surface/underground/poles
Mars surface/underground/poles


I don't say it should not be done, tried/experimented, but it is far from being optimal. Good science can come from it, for example the Antarctic experience can help in Mars, but don't expect "millions" of people thrilled with the idea, i don't see a million people living in McMurdo, the largest in Antarctica, let alone in space or another planet.

As a matter of fact, that is precisely what i expect would be the possible "colonies", not too far in size from McMurdo (about a thousand people).

Find out how much USA spends in keeping that place alive. Logistics alone, and that isn't space, its just the southernmost continent on Earth.
There have been attempts to simulate enclosed colonies here on Earth, and they have failed. But in Mars (or Space) you can't call it quits and open the doors.

One big problem Elon may face is, that while he may get the capacity, there will simply not be such a high demand. He has other more pragmatic ideas, such as suborbital flights of cargo and passengers, or even giving tours to rich people to Moon orbit. Mars still looks far away, beyond possibly a small research station. It is even cheaper to put a station in (Mars) orbit, or perhaps even needed for remote controlling construction drones in the surface before landing any humans.

So yes, it looks far in time to me. Nothing wrong with the idea and vision tho.

[Spendulus]

The private company Spacex is getting ready to move the passengers from Earth to Moon by the year 2025 and also he mentioned that they will move 1 Million people to Mars and create the first civilization of Mars along with himself.

Do you believe this will become possible in the next five year? Or just a sci-fiction story!

how can make civilization on mars ?? if the climate there is very extreme during the day and night.
our earth already has everything that humans need.
for me it was an impossible thing to do.

Its not impossible, but not necessarily economical or sensical.

What is cheaper? A colony:

Underwater (Earth)
Desert (Earth)
Poles (Artic/Antartic)
Orbit (Earth)
Lagrange points (spots in space where you can park things like rotating colonies/stations)
Orbit from different celestial objects (other planet/satellites)
Moon surface/underground/poles
Mars surface/underground/poles


I don't say it should not be done, tried/experimented, but it is far from being optimal. Good science can come from it, for example the Antarctic experience can help in Mars, but don't expect "millions" of people thrilled with the idea, i don't see a million people living in McMurdo, the largest in Antarctica, let alone in space or another planet.

As a matter of fact, that is precisely what i expect would be the possible "colonies", not too far in size from McMurdo (about a thousand people).

Find out how much USA spends in keeping that place alive. Logistics alone, and that isn't space, its just the southernmost continent on Earth.
There have been attempts to simulate enclosed colonies here on Earth, and they have failed. But in Mars (or Space) you can't call it quits and open the doors.

One big problem Elon may face is, that while he may get the capacity, there will simply not be such a high demand. He has other more pragmatic ideas, such as suborbital flights of cargo and passengers, or even giving tours to rich people to Moon orbit. Mars still looks far away, beyond possibly a small research station. It is even cheaper to put a station in (Mars) orbit, or perhaps even needed for remote controlling construction drones in the surface before landing any humans.

So yes, it looks far in time to me. Nothing wrong with the idea and vision tho.

Yes, there is something very wrong with the idea and the vision.

Musk asserts it's easy and quick, just five years off.

I know it's a very long time off, with a hundred technologies to be tested and proven here on earth, then to be moved to Mars and implemented with robotics, and then the half that didn't work right redone here on earth, and long way down this difficult road we can move some people to Mars. This process, and the hundred technologies, with all the challenges of it is the reality of it. Not the promise of some circus huckster.

[iamsheikhadil]

It will be possible someday but dates like 2025 are absurd.  The technology to move enough resources to mars to start a colony of a million people won't even be available in our lifetimes. We barely have the technology to get there and back alive as visitors.  Its all just a fantasy based excuse for people who don't want to take care of the one planet we have that we are perfectly adapted to live on.

So Elon Musk having a vision of achieving an impossible thing? I heard there is another space land in 2020 which is not going to bring any live matter to the Mars so five years enough to make the place as living condition?

His vision isn't impossible. But the time period in which the aim is impossible. Because 5 years is like a flash of an eye in terms of such huge milestones, in 5 years technology moves about a millimetre high where as miles are needed in tech advancements to achieve such feats. But hopes should never die!

[Spendulus]

It will be possible someday but dates like 2025 are absurd.  The technology to move enough resources to mars to start a colony of a million people won't even be available in our lifetimes. We barely have the technology to get there and back alive as visitors.  Its all just a fantasy based excuse for people who don't want to take care of the one planet we have that we are perfectly adapted to live on.

So Elon Musk having a vision of achieving an impossible thing? I heard there is another space land in 2020 which is not going to bring any live matter to the Mars so five years enough to make the place as living condition?

His vision isn't impossible. But the time period in which the aim is impossible. Because 5 years is like a flash of an eye in terms of such huge milestones, in 5 years technology moves about a millimetre high where as miles are needed in tech advancements to achieve such feats. But hopes should never die!

Musk's goal is to convince the population of his goals, then to get money from the government.

[BADecker]

^^^ Right! Musk is making things happen. But a lot of them are failing. If he can only do a good enough job of the successes he has, he will get more money from government to live well while playing his games. Meanwhile, many of us live in poverty.

Anything is possible. So, the Musk Mars monstrosity has some little chance of working.

[Spendulus]

...
His vision isn't impossible. But the time period in which the aim is impossible. ...

So he's lying.

Let's keep it simple.