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September 27, 2019, 12:48:03 AM
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Is this any good? What is the ban for spamming?

First offence - typcally a tempban, and it takes a lot of spamming to get that. Some extreme serial offenders could eventually get a permaban but that'd be very rare.

Aren't straight permabans mostly for only plagiarism, ban evasion, and malicious links?

Pretty much.

Could you easily redo it to count all bans?

Sadly no. modlog contains only permanent bans (and not all of them). However as a comparative metric it's still quite good I think. A campaign that had 10% of its participants permabanned is very likely not managed as well as a campaign that had 1 or 2%.

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September 27, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
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Oh, lovely thread. Pity I'm out of smerit to give you your 4000th one.. Sad
There you open some new work for me to browse and see how many spammers I can report in each campaign and to get in contact with the managers.

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September 27, 2019, 01:31:29 PM
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Just a question-
Imagine, an user has participated in Chipmixer campaign, later he switched to yobit (Noone will do in reality  Grin), and got banned. Which one you are counting? Current signature?
If you are counting current signature, what if they have removed the signature?

Oh, lovely thread. Pity I'm out of smerit to give you your 4000th one.. Sad
There you open some new work for me to browse and see how many spammers I can report in each campaign and to get in contact with the managers.


It's now 4000, I have shared it on behalf of you  Cheesy
Most problems are with altcoin campaign, where 99% campaign manager never think to check the post quality, they only thinks about the post counts.

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September 27, 2019, 02:17:55 PM
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Just a question-
Imagine, an user has participated in Chipmixer campaign, later he switched to yobit (Noone will do in reality  Grin), and got banned. Which one you are counting? Current signature?
If you are counting current signature, what if they have removed the signature?

I'm counting the ban against the last known signature within 7 days before the ban. There might be some inaccuracies but it goes both ways - some bans may get uncounted, some may get double-counted - e.g. if someone within 7 days switched campaigns twice AND got banned. This should be very rare though.

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October 01, 2019, 09:07:52 PM
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I have updated the lists through September 30 so this now includes our new favorite campaign.

I have also made a couple of other changes:

The exercise is very interesting, although I do find the PPD rather low in general. For example Chipmixer has a PPD of 2.4, but going over the last two weeks of the spread sheet it is more in the 4.4 to 4.6 area (some random lower week tolled 3.87). It may be related to dividing by the 110 distinct participants over a 365 day period. If we do it by a rough 60 concurrent participants, we get a 4.4 PPD, which is in line with the spreadsheet. Ofcourse we know the number of cuncurrent users in Chipmixer, but not off-hand for all the other campaigns.

I have adjusted PPD to count only "active" days and users who posted on those days (as per the definition in the OP). So this is going to be even higher for Chipmixer. It may discard some low-activity days but I think it better reflects the overall activity.

Any chance of a "posts deleted divided by number of active days" column? I feel that might be a useful metric for both comparing campaigns and finding the worst offenders.

Done - see "Del/Day".



And last but not least - I have to say I'm very impressed by the number of deleted posts in the CryptoTalk campaign. I don't have time to report that crap but my hat's off to whoever is doing it, and please don't forget to report serial offenders to yahoo62278.


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October 01, 2019, 10:40:11 PM
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Very interesting stats. Well, Yobit/Cryptotalk campaign stats isn't as bad as I expected. There was even worse campaigns. But notice mainly Yobit spammers, it's because this campaign have highest number of participants and it means highest number of spammers. It would be interesting to see some merits stats included to this table for comparison.
But not everything is 100% accurate here. Some websites are listed here without having signature campaign, for example Bitcoin.org - some users simply wear signatures with a link to Bitcoin.org. And there is websites which never had campaign here, like Binance or Freebitco.in - members simply promote their affiliate links in signature.




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October 01, 2019, 11:04:24 PM
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Very interesting stats. Well, Yobit/Cryptotalk campaign stats isn't as bad as I expected. There was even worse campaigns. But notice mainly Yobit spammers, it's because this campaign have highest number of participants and it means highest number of spammers. It would be interesting to see some merits stats included to this table for comparison.
But I think Cryptotalk stats is awful.
Suchmoon has listed 100 campaigns and there are only 11 campaigns with a higher percentage of deleted posts than Cryptotalk.

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October 01, 2019, 11:23:08 PM
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Very interesting stats. Well, Yobit/Cryptotalk campaign stats isn't as bad as I expected. There was even worse campaigns. But notice mainly Yobit spammers, it's because this campaign have highest number of participants and it means highest number of spammers. It would be interesting to see some merits stats included to this table for comparison.
But I think Cryptotalk stats is awful.
Suchmoon has listed 100 campaigns and there are only 11 campaigns with a higher percentage of deleted posts than Cryptotalk.
Yeah, and I'm not saying that their stats are good. I just thought that Yobit/Cryptotalk is the worst campaign. But seems there was even worse campaigns, just with less participants.
Let's hope that Yahoo will clean the house.




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October 02, 2019, 12:19:03 AM
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But not everything is 100% accurate here. Some websites are listed here without having signature campaign, for example Bitcoin.org - some users simply wear signatures with a link to Bitcoin.org. And there is websites which never had campaign here, like Binance or Freebitco.in - members simply promote their affiliate links in signature.

True. I don't have a way to determine what is an "official" campaign and I stated as much in the OP. I have manually removed some frequent links that are not really campaigns (youtu.be, facebook.com, etc). If I don't forget, during the next update I'll do that with bitcoin.org and discord.gg as well. Binance and Freebitco.in I might just leave as is. If those users with referral links in their signatures are spamming we might want to know.

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October 02, 2019, 03:58:36 AM
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@suchmoon, what do you think about this nonsense? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188843.0;topicseen

I mean......


Its soo borderline and non definitive... but, the obviousness in all of it is sickening.


YoBit is not to be trusted.   They magically show volume that is 10-100x the amount of coins that the total network has on a certain shitcoin;  and it all happened while the wallet was "offline" and about half of the actual coins in the network are in private wallets.

Be warned;  stay away from them.  -JK
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October 02, 2019, 12:13:00 PM
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LOL at the OP's post history, one of those quick language learners.

Sadly not the worst I've seen... I don't want this to become yet another Cryptotalk thread but yeah, we can expect more contrived discussions like that.

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October 02, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
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Done - see "Del/Day".
Wow. Those numbers are even worse than I thought they would be. YoBit campaigns 1 and 2 coming in at 162 and 176 respectively, with the next closest campaign being Minter at only 28. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I've been very aware of all the Minter spam over the last couple of weeks, but to think YoBit is 500% worse is astounding. Cryptotalk at a 176 is even more impressive when you think it has only been active for a few days, since not every spam post is deleted in good time. Seeing these numbers, despite Yahoo obviously trying his hardest to clean up this flood of trash posts, I can't help but feel (and hope) YoBit is heading for another ban.

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October 02, 2019, 03:11:55 PM
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despite Yahoo obviously trying his hardest to clean up this flood of trash posts, I can't help but feel (and hope) YoBit is heading for another ban.
I am killing as many spammers as I can each day. Everyone can see that, only problem I have with the numbers is when I ban a user they're still wearing the sig. Even though they're kicked out, their deleted posts and all other stats count against the campaign. Not that the numbers wouldn't still be higher than all the other campaigns(probably 5x more members in the campaign then quite a few of the others, so you have to kinda expect that somewhat right?), but still not exact.

@suchmoon Just to verify a little info for you on the campaigns I manage. I know you posted you have not verified any of the info, just trying to help if this helps.

Windice - 45 currently active users
Bitsler - 16 active users
Bustadice - 16 active users
MintDice - 40 active users
Cryptotalk - 300+



 If cryptotalk.org would just accept maybe 50 or even 100 members, the problem might not be so bad.  Or if their manager had any say in the matter as to who gets into the campaign.  The automated process they use is crazy.  No post checking, no merit requirement, no nothing.
I spoke with the yobit account and they're talking about implementing a merit requirement(no timetable). Agreed I wish i had more control so that users couldn't join and get paid for a few posts before i ban them.


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@suchmoon, what do you think about this nonsense? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188843.0;topicseen
I skimmed through that thread and saw that most of the posts were being made by cryptotalk.org campaigners.  Some of them weren't exactly shitposts, but I'll take your word on the obviousness of some of the replies.  No doubt they're motivated primarily by their campaign. 

I have the whole altcoin section blocked now, as this seems to be where all the crap posters flock to.  Sometimes I find interesting threads there, but right now I don't feel like sifting through a mountain of manure either looking for a hidden gem to merit or to read something that catches my attention.  That entire section stinks to high hell--it always did, but now it's even worse. 

Those numbers are even worse than I thought they would be.
If that's the case, you ought to learn to lower your expectations.  Bring a shovel and a poopy bag next time you see a thread where the majority of the members are wearing a signature that has anything to do with Yobit or cryptotalk.org.  Lol. 

Anyone remember Secondstrade?  Their participants were just as bad as Yobit's, except I think they put a cap at how many they allowed in their campaign.  It makes a huge difference.  If cryptotalk.org would just accept maybe 50 or even 100 members, the problem might not be so bad.  Or if their manager had any say in the matter as to who gets into the campaign.  The automated process they use is crazy.  No post checking, no merit requirement, no nothing.

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I am killing as many spammers as I can each day.

I think everybody knows your situation with the Cryptotalk campaign and that you don't have the power to approve applications. So obviously when a shitposter joins and then you kick them out - by definition all that shit they posted makes the campaign look worse. Don't take this personally Smiley

@suchmoon Just to verify a little info for you on the campaigns I manage. I know you posted you have not verified any of the info, just trying to help if this helps.

Windice - 45 currently active users
Bitsler - 16 active users
Bustadice - 16 active users
MintDice - 40 active users
Cryptotalk - 300+

I'm counting all users who ever had that signature over the course of the year. And it also includes those who don't remove signatures even if they're no longer paid by the campaign. I'm thinking of adding "max daily posters" or "average daily posters" or something like that, which would be a better reflection of the size of the campaign.

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I am killing as many spammers as I can each day.
I, and I'm sure everyone else, appreciates the work you are doing. I realize it's not going to be an instant fix and new spammers are joining all the time. But because of their ridiculous policy of accepting everyone* (which again I realize you have no control over) and then relying on you to ban the spammers, I can't help but feel you will never win. There is a near endless stream of spammer accounts who will want to sign up at some point. If they keep going like this, I would hope theymos would step in as he did before.

*The cynical side of me says they are doing this on purpose. People set their signature, you quickly ban them, they don't realise they are banned, and then YoBit benefit from free signature advertising.

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would it be possible to generate a list of all the users in these campaigns? i would like to put them all on my ignore list.
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I have added avg and max number of users, as well as posts per day. Removed bitcoin.org and discord.gg sites.



would it be possible to generate a list of all the users in these campaigns? i would like to put them all on my ignore list.

That would be a lot of users so probably not. I'm not even sure if your ignore list could handle that.

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would it be possible to generate a list of all the users in these campaigns? i would like to put them all on my ignore list.
Most of the users of forum including the best users are using at least one of these signatures. If you put all of them in your ignore list, then you will see only the posts made by newbies. So if you want to ignore all of the posts made by these users, I suggest you to ignore the forum and logout now.

Any way, you can use the spreadsheets.

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would it be possible to generate a list of all the users in these campaigns? i would like to put them all on my ignore list.

You realize that if suchmoon gives you that list, you're going to repay the favor by ignoring him in the future?  Grin Grin

I have added avg and max number of users, as well as posts per day. Removed bitcoin.org and discord.gg sites.

If you plan any updates you might want to remove
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Pure coincidence is used by a bounty campaign that has just been bumped in the scam accusation

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